Wish it was not so

We don’t have Roy Moore or Matt Gaetz on our side.

Regular people who are not Democrats don’t support sexualizing children or grooming them for your sick kink groome

arresting matt gaetz would be delicious

That pesky conviction and innocent until proven guilty gets i. The way everytime doesn’t it.

Polls show pedos vote democrat, ya know for loose law enforcement.

Well they're clearly making a mistake given the $37 billion in police funding Biden has provided.

What! No

Not a liberal, but you do realize the age of consent is an arbitrary construct?

It’s not arbitrary. It’s defined by the concierge that makes the laws based on their values and culture, it wasn’t picked by spinning a wheel.

Right, so in other words, there is no universally agreed upon age that a person is capable of consenting to sex that transcends cultural lines... thus it is an arbitrary construct invented by man.

Most of the employees at my current job are under 18. I have overheard several female teenage coworkers go on in great detail about their sex lives. If you have already had sex by your own volition, you are capable of consenting to sex with anyone. That is my belief.

And when teenagers do get pregnant, we usually let them keep the child. How are they capable of being parents if they weren’t capable of consenting to sex?

Yikes

No it’s not arbitrary. It’s based on different things in different cultures. Some may be upon menstruation , other cultures it may be an age. It is not arbitrarily picked it has a basis of some sort.

The purpose in some cases is to protect impressionable minors from adult predators who use their naïveté and youth to exploit them. So it’s against the law for a 40 year old man to bed a 17 year old girl.

Interested to know what your theory and basis is for age of consent? Just if they talk about it or say yes? If you can get an 8 year old to say yes, have at it?

I’m not sure where this is falling apart for you. Cultures are effectively just tapestries of social constructs woven together. The age of consent is not some divine law handed down by God or a natural law of the universe discovered by scientists.

My belief is that pubescent teenagers are capable of consenting to sexual activity, especially so if they’ve already had sex by their own volition. With the exception of when someone’s in a position of authority, no one should be incarcerated for having sex with someone who is high school age.

You want to use mental capabilities as the determinant of who should be having sex, and yet we have no laws against mentally-handicapped/low-IQ people having sex or having kids.

Arbitrary, it’s not arbitrary. It may be a social construct but it’s not entirely arbitrary. There are most certainly laws for sexually abusing the mentally I’ll or people who are incapacitated or inebriated even. Remember “me too.”

Girls usually begin puberty between the ages of 8 and 13 years old. So just as I thought, you are a “grass on the field? Then play ball kind of guy.” That’s sick and pedopheliac. GTFO

You are misrepresenting what I clearly explained. I said pubescent TEENAGERS - the ages ending in TEEN. I said that no one should be incarcerated for having sex with someone who is HIGH SCHOOL AGE.

I'm not talking about people who are mentally ill or incapacitated or inebriated. I'm talking about people who are just quantifiably dumb, e.g., the average IQ in Honduras and Nicaragua is 81. The average IQ in El Salvador is 80. The average IQ in Guatemala is 79. That effectively equates to a roughly 6th grade level of intellect. But see what happens if you suggest that uneducated immigrants from those countries shouldn't be allowed to breed.

“You are misrepresenting what I clearly explained. I said pubescent TEENAGERS - the ages ending in TEEN.”

Right, so thirTEEN, fourTEEN promoting child sexualization is wrong. Stop it.

does that average IQ stat account for children?
or is it explicitly just adults?

I think a 16, 17 and 18 year olds can have sex with a 17 year old. Other then that, it's considered a crime

"Not a liberal"
well there you have it, imgflip conservatives. the groomers are on you :)

"age of consent is an arbitrary"

uhhhhh
my guy?!
wtf?!

These are the ages of consent in Europe. Yes, it is an arbitrary number.

my guy don't know what portugal is

You mean portugal?

Sure whatever, so long as Creepy Joe can legally sniff & abuse 14yo's there- (although they're probably a little too old for him)

This overly simplified age of consent post are why we imprision so many foreigners for pedophilia.

lmao it's not that simple. germany's a.o.c. laws allow for 14-y/o to consent with 16-y/o, but they don't allow 14 and 30-y/os to consent. it's based around what i like to call "age difference thresholds," a term i coined to exemplify how difficult it is to map out age of consent.
e.g. my parents are 4 years apart. however my mother married at 20 and my father was 24. this is acceptable, whereas a 12-y/o and a 16-y/o dating is not, even though the latter is also 4 years apart. the threshold is greater for adults than it is with adolescents.

that being said, i'm impressed that turkey, an islamic country, has an a.o.c. law of 18 when other islamic countries don't (lookin' at you, pakistan)

Ok... and what about Austria, Hungary, Italy, Portugal, Estonia, Serbia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Montenegro, N. Macedonia, and Bulgaria?

Most of the employees at my current job are under 18. I have overheard several female teenage coworkers go on in great detail about their sex lives. My belief is that if you have already had sex by your own volition, then you are capable of consenting to sex with anyone.

And when teenagers do get pregnant, we usually let them keep the child. How are they capable of being parents if they weren't capable of consenting to sex?

"Most of the employees at my current job are under 18"

i'm just guessing here. you flip burgers for a living? or work at starbucks?

"I have overheard several female teenage coworkers go on in great detail about their sex lives"

thing is, when teenagers go into detail about their lives (as much as people like me wouldn't want to hear it), they are copulating with someone about the same age of themselves more or less, unless you live in idaho, missouri, or alabama.

"My belief is that if you have already had sex by your own volition, then you are capable of consenting to sex with anyone"

yeah-- no. i don't believe a 16 y/o is mature enough for a 29-35 y/o, regardless of if they had a partner. this is a frequent M.A.P. argument/pedophile in court defense; "they're mature enough/they looked mature enough/i didn't know she was 12." even if a minor has had sex before (again, usually with another minor of close age), that doesn't open them up to people like matt gaetz.

"And when teenagers do get pregnant, we usually let them keep the child. How are they capable of being parents if they weren't capable of consenting to sex?"

again, muh """"""they're mature enough"""""" argument.

they keep the child, but said child ruins their life. i personally can't call that "capable" of being parents.

but that's beside the point. those people /are/ capable of consenting to sex, but not with adults twice their age.

your initial argument stated that A.o.C. laws are "arbitrary." pointing out countries that have age of consent laws doesn't help your argument since they are *age of consent laws* that exist; not treating it as arbitrary. let alone the fact that they are finely tuned and specific in most cases to outline cases of pedophilia.

And if you must know, I worked at a Godiva chocolate store in the mall for over 2 years. But that company ended up getting financially screwed over by Covid, and they permanently closed all their stores in North America.

I was hired at a Dunkin in my county 2 months later. I settled with Dunkin because I was desperate for a job and didn't know how long the economic effects of Covid would last, and it was much closer to where I live.

Ok. What do you think the fate of Thomas Jefferson should be if he were around today? He had a relationship with a 14-year-old girl, and we know she was pregnant by the time she was 17. He was in his 40s. Do you think his image should be removed from our currency and his monument in DC and Monticello estate should be demolished, and all geographic locales, buildings, and schools bearing his name should be changed?

"yeah-- no. i don't believe a 16 y/o is mature enough for a 29-35 y/o"

In your other comment regarding transgender children, you said a 16-year-old is mature enough to make well-judged decisions that affect them personally. Which is it?

16 is the a.o.c. in the United Kingdom and Canada, so those countries to name a few would disagree with you.

I am willing to bet that the average high school girl has had more sex than the average 18-25-year-old straight guy (especially so for guys who are under 5' 8"). So no, I don't buy this idea that teenagers are too ill-informed/inexperienced/naive about sex that they can only consent to someone their age, but not to someone older. That idea might've held more weight back in the 90's and 2000's, but now social media has effectively allowed girls unlimited access to sexual partners.

The IQ statistics regarding those Central American countries are from "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen. Their book has an 18-page bibliography listing their sources. If you think mental capabilities should be the determinant of who gets to have sex, then why do we allow peoples of middle school and elementary school intellectual levels to breed carelessly?

"And if you must know, I worked at a Godiva chocolate store in the mall for over 2 years."

fair enough. i still would like to know how old you are to understand where your arguments come from.

"I was hired at a Dunkin in my county 2 months later"

ah. another coffee shop that specializes in donuts. my guess was fairly close.

"What do you think the fate of Thomas Jefferson should be if he were around today? He had a relationship with a 14-year-old girl, and we know she was pregnant by the time she was 17."

well, washington post doesn't take to kindly to that.
"[Sally Hemmings] wasn't Jefferson's mistriss; she was his property."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/sally-hemings-wasnt-thomas-jeffersons-mistress-she-was-his-property/2017/07/06/db5844d4-625d-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html

granted, things were f**ked up in those days because lifespans were shorter. you had people dying everywhere from tuberculosis. thank you for this knowledge btw. i'm sure imgflip conservatives appreciate you providing me with ammunition ;)

"you said a 16-year-old is mature enough to make well-judged decisions that affect them personally"

yes. medical transitioning is not the same has having sex with a person twice your age. the latter is more than likely a one-sided trophy wife relationship that began with grooming. the former is not.

"I am willing to bet that the average high school girl has had more sex than the average 18-25-year-old straight guy"

it's been bugging me since i forgot to ask: why are you listening to conversations in your workplace that aren't your business?

"If you think mental capabilities should be the determinant of who gets to have sex, then why do we allow peoples of middle school and elementary school intellectual levels to breed carelessly?"

very sus comment, my guy. that statement can easily be rephrased as "the mexicans should stop breeding." or it could be rephrased as "we should have 12-y/o wives."

IQ has nothing to do with basic biology, which states that anyone of mature ages can breed with no problem. while a.o.c. laws absolutely have amendments regarding mental stages, they are also based around the physical stage of growth of both parties involved, and their financial positions/state of independence from parents. it's generally 18 because most students are out of high school by that time. and high schoolers (especially nowadays) are in no position to have kids.

"well, washington post doesn't take to kindly to that."
WTF do I care what the Washington Post thinks??

"granted, things were f**ked up in those days because lifespans were shorter. you had people dying everywhere from tuberculosis. thank you for this knowledge btw. i'm sure imgflip conservatives appreciate you providing me with ammunition ;)"

You are aware that your comrade Vaush has also been quite critical of the age of consent

"medical transitioning is not the same has having sex with a person twice your age."

You're right, it's not. It is a MUCH MORE DRASTIC DECISION than having sex with someone. It's a decision that will likely lead to sterilization, and potentially amputation of perfectly healthy body parts and irreversible reconfiguration of the genitalia.

"the former is not." IT'S NOT???? "Our son came out as trans aged 2" doesn't sound groomer-y? What the Saccone-Jolys did to their child doesn't seem groomer-y?

"it's been bugging me since i forgot to ask: why are you listening to conversations in your workplace that aren't your business?"

You do realize I was also once in high school, right? You think I don't know what teenage girls get up to?

Some of these employees have asked about my sex life. Many of them have asked whether or not I have a girlfriend.

"very sus comment, my guy. that statement can easily be rephrased as "the mexicans should stop breeding." or it could be rephrased as "we should have 12-y/o wives."

IQ has nothing to do with basic biology, which states that anyone of mature ages can breed with no problem. while a.o.c. laws absolutely have amendments regarding mental stages, they are also based around the physical stage of growth of both parties involved, and their financial positions/state of independence from parents. it's generally 18 because most students are out of high school by that time. and high schoolers (especially nowadays) are in no position to have kids."

I am not saying either of those things. I'm saying if we're going to restrict the sexual activity of teenagers because of their mental capabilities, why not restrict the sexual activity & reproduction of adults who have mental capabilities on an equivalent or lower level? How is an adult with an IQ below clinically mentally retarded able to make informed decisions about consent any better than a teenager? And how are adults with IQs below clinically retarded in 3rd world countries in any better position to bring children into the world than teenagers

"You are aware that your comrade Vaush has also been quite critical of the age of consent"

idk how he got involved in this discussion, but everything i've seen against him so far has been pedo jacketing at best. engaging in pedo jacketing is pretty rich for you :)

"You do realize I was also once in high school, right? You think I don't know what teenage girls get up to?"

wait... you had girlfriends? and you're a conservative on imgflip?
ok, jokes aside, personal discussions don't apply to the law.
private lives sexualizing middle schoolers does not make ok.

"You think I don't know what teenage girls get up to?"
take that line out of context, and it sounds friggin' creepy. yikes

"How is an adult with an IQ below clinically mentally retarded able to make informed decisions about consent any better than a teenager?"

because they're an adult with consistent results in regards to dealing with pregnancies. you get a teen pregnant at their wrong age, she can become sterile.

the IQ is the result of being from a Third World Country with a mismanaged education system. granted, some of these nations (such as Papua New Guinea and/or India) have terrible issues regarding rape between adults.

however, considering you are taking these statistics at face value and going by /average/ IQ (key word: average), it's guaranteed that the consensual agreements are upheld by two parties with average /adult IQ/.
whereas with adult & teen relationships with a huge age difference & IQ difference are one sided where one is taking advantage of the other, not indifferent to the rape issue i mentioned earlier.

*in Western countries?

"Ok... and what about Austria, Hungary, Italy, Portugal, Estonia, Serbia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Montenegro, N. Macedonia, and Bulgaria?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

Austria:
"Paragraph 4 of Section 206 defines a close-in-age exception, lowering the age of consent to 13 if the other party is not more than 3 years older and some additional conditions are met"

Hungary:
"A close-in-age exemption allows sexual acts from age 12 if the older party is under 18"
A.o.C. is at 14, however. i think Hungary is a little bit screwed anyway.

Italy:
"The age of consent rises to 18 if one of the participants has some kind of influence on the other (e.g. parent - being a natural or an adoptive one, teacher, tutor, etc.)"

Portugal:
"Art 173 forbids sexual relations between adults and adolescents aged 14 to 16 if it can be said the adult took advantage of the adolescent's inexperience"

Estonia:
Has it at 16 and still has strict laws about rape. should be 18 imo.

Serbia:
"Article 181 prohibits sexual intercourse with a juvenile (defined in Article 112 as a person under 18) if the juvenile is entrusted for learning, tutoring, guardianship or care. Article 190 furthermore forbids cohabitation with a minor (person under 18) unless a marriage is conducted"

Bosnia & Herzegovina:
"However, Article 209 mentions a "juvenile" who is defined in Article 2(9) as a person under 18"

Montenegro:
"Article 207 makes it illegal for a teacher, instructor, guardian, adoptive parent, stepfather, stepmother or other person with a similar position to abuse one's position or authority in order to perform sexual intercourse or an equal act with a minor (under 18)"

N. Macedonia:
"However, Article 197 prohibits an adult living in an extra-marital community with a Juvenile under 18"

Bulgaria:
"However, Article 151 (2) has a provision for those who are over 14 and do 'not understand the characteristics or the importance of the act'"

In summary, the A.o.C. laws are very threshold based, as I was saying for Germany. A handful of them go as far as to gauge how mature the younger party is.

gonna divide this thread due to character limit.

You mean how Pakistan has no age of consent, as it's only legal with marriage?

And while we're on the subject, what age do you think a child is capable of knowing that they're trans?

Knowing? Same time as most kids know what they are attracted to. That is not the same age they should begin a transition however. That truly requires a decision by a fully developed post adolescent mind.

"what age do you think a child is capable of knowing that they're trans?"

16, and technically 16 y/o's aren't children. 16 y/o is old enough to start driving.

So any parents with a transgender child under 16 should be sent to prison? Including Liev Schreiber and Naomi Watts?

"So any parents with a transgender child under 16 should be sent to prison?"

outside of being manipulative/stupid af, idk how you came about to that solution.

no.

all i'm saying is that i think 16 y/os usually are mature enough to make well-judged decisions that affect them personally.

Lmao, every accusation from conservatives is a confession.

based comment

"Lol, is that a father speaking to his child or a teacher speaking to a strangers kid?"

gotta admit, both individuals are capable of abuse.
however, the teacher in this particular comment is not saying anything sexually explicit, only aiding the trans teen to have their own autonomy.
statistically speaking, the church minister is more likely to be an epstein than the former, threatening the otherwise autonomous teenager with an invisible security guard to silence his target.

"and keep sex conversations out your mouth Pedo"

for every incident of pedo jacketing, a real pedophile gets away.
https://news.yahoo.com/experts-say-misinformed-groomer-attacks-hurt-real-efforts-to-prevent-child-sex-abuse-185917126.html

you aren't in support of real pedophiles getting away with real crimes, are you?

Referring to somebody by their chosen name and pronouns is pedophilia now apparently.

I don’t see where it says that. Oh that’s because it doesn’t,

"However you identify your family will always be there for you."

OOOOOOH, call the police, we've got a real creeper in the building.

You’re the one defending strangers talking to kids about sexual subjects. The innocuous response indicated they had a discussion about sexuality. Tell the groomer to leave the kid alone.

Once again, you're reading pedophilia into a thing where none exists. The mere concept of sexuality is not a taboo subject for children when it's been portrayed in every f**king Disney movie going all the way back to Snow White. Even then, the subject being discussed in the political cartoon was clearly about gender identity and not sexuality. If we're going to get into hypotheticals that aren't supported in the text, maybe the kid was concerned about people in their life excepting them and the teacher was giving them words of encouragement.

Conveniently slapping the groomer label on everything you don't like is lazy, harmful, and it delegitimizes actual victims of child grooming.

"and it delegitimizes actual victims of child grooming."

holy shit based. keep fighting the good fight :)

A movie is something children usually see with their parents not some stranger or teacher. Supporting groomers and pedophilic behavior is not a noble movement.

You successfully

le quivering

his iq is lower than the homer simpson plushie behind him

If match it with yours anytime