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What are you afraid of? | To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker.
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5 ups, 2y,
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This old wise white man is very smart.
5 ups, 2y
I have little doubt that liberals call Douglass an early white supremacist.
2 ups, 2y,
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Party On - - Upvote for you!
2 ups, 2y,
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fyi- the best upvotes come from WayneUrso!
2 ups, 2y
Thank you for your very kind words!
1 up, 2y
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2 ups, 2y
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3 ups, 2y,
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You ask: “what are you afraid of?”

Well? Are you afraid of any of these things? Should you be?
3 ups, 2y,
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And yet, the majority of the issues people have over this have nothing to do with your cute little list of the extremes out there. Your list is, at best, disingenuous given that the liberals at Twitter banned a sitting President, while allowing actual terrorists to maintain their accounts.

Me pointing out that there are only two genders, male and female, neither of which is "fluid", hardly rises to the level of posting directions for making bombs. But you would never know this based on how you snowflakes react. Why, even some of my direct statements in this comment likely warrant censoring according to your immoral and warped view on life.

As for "fascists, communists, traitors, insurrectionists", I have not heard of the DNC being banned a single time.

Some of your list is easily definable as dangerous- terrorism, doxxing, death threats, suicide taunts, bombs, stalking, sexual harassment, child porn, but much of the rest is highly subjective and utterly useless when in the hands of the typical leftist.

*Terrorism? Do you mean parents attending school board meetings to object to the child porn they have allowed in the curriculum?
*State sponsored propaganda? Would this include ads for Nike?
*Neo-Nazis, deniers of the Holocaust, etc.? If people are not harming someone else, then they may believe whatever nonsense they choose to believe, flat earthers included. "Extreme bigots"? I would define you as an "extreme bigot" based on some of what I have seen from you. Do you agree with my assessment? Should YOU be banned based on it? Liberals tend to think that their opinions amount to objective evidence.
*Hackers? Really? Hackers cannot be allowed free speech? I am pretty sure that words are useless when it comes to hacking.
"Extreme" medical information? Like citing real world evidence that Hydroxychloroquine might be useful in the treatment/prevention of Covid? Who gets to decide what qualifies as "extreme"? And what difference does it make? If someone is stoopid enough to base their medical decisions on what they read in a Twitter post, well, they are going to take themselves out one way or the other.
*Child porn? You mean, like stuff the "transgender" community posts of grade school aged children being subjected to extreme sexual perversity and abuse?

You seem to think that the world would be a safer place, if we would all just let YOU decide what qualifies as "safe". You are wrong more than you are right.
3 ups, 2y,
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I created that list in an effort to try to get past this left-vs.-right framing that seems to be the exclusive focus of the “free speech” debate. It misses a lot of what moderation is about.

Specifically: There is a metric shit-ton of nefarious “speech” out there which internet mods have to whack on a daily, hourly, and minute-by-minute basis, or else their users will be flooded with crap that 99.999% of human beings don’t want to see.

“Who decides?” Well, *someone* has to decide, or else any given platform will be subsumed in a flood of dark web internet shit. Even if users put up with it (on an edgy platform like say, 8Chan), internet service providers can still pull the plug, which happened after a racist manifesto and live footage shot by the perpetrator of the Christchurch mass shooting was posted to 8Chan.

Most reasonable people can grasp that idea and would therefore agree some amount of content moderation is necessary.

Moving on to the more controversial political stuff: Maybe you think Trump shouldn’t have been kicked off of Twitter and Facebook. There are other alternative social platforms where he’s allowed and indeed would be gleefully welcomed. Twitter and FB no doubt took big hits to their userbase by making that call. They may have taken equal or larger hits to their userbase by *not* making that call.

If alt-right platforms like Parler, Gab, BitChute, and whomever want to ban the DNC for some perceived violation they certainly can. Though more likely, the DNC simply doesn’t post there for obvious reasons.

Now medicine. What qualifies as “extreme” medical disinformation? Set aside masks and vaccines and HXQ. Let’s just go with a more basic example: drinking bleach. Someone posts a video testimonial claiming that drinking a gallon of pure bleach is a miraculous and guaranteed treatment of COVID. Do YouTube, FB, etc. have some moral obligation to host that video? This actually happened, and these platforms decided to take such content down. This makes sense in a world where credulous people out there will literally follow the most insane advice they are given. Disinformation can and does literally kill people.

Now: If you were put in charge of Imgflip, defined me as an “extreme bigot” and banned me, then I would find somewhere else to go. It’s no skin off my back. It would be quite obviously the wrong call, though. :)
1 up, 2y
Using bleach in a way not listed on the instructions is illegal. Read the label.
2 ups, 2y,
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"It’s no skin off my back. It would be quite obviously the wrong call, though. :) "

It would be the wrong call, but not for the reasons you may think. I find the fact that people think like you do, insulting. Insulting in the sense of prizing rational thought and basic morality. But I believe you have the right to be wrong, so long as you do not inflict actual harm on someone else.

Posting a video about drinking bleach, perhaps not unlike the Tide-pod eating craze, etc, should be allowed in my opinion. The thought that we can police the world to "save" the ignorant is a fool's errand. Liberals are why this is "necessary", just as labels to not drop hair dryers in the tub are "necessary". Seriously, labels warning us to not swallow clothes hangers?

I do not necessarily find your list here that objectionable, but that is not where the problem lies. You said, "Set aside masks and vaccines and HXQ", but the problem is, liberals did NOT set that aside, and they ***persecuted*** anyone who dared have an opinion contrary to the current liberal politicized narrative. FOR DECADES, scientists and doctors acknowledged that masks could do NOTHING to prevent the spread of infectious disease- this is simply a matter of history. And this, btw, was THE reason that Fauxci MOCKED the idea of the public wearing masks early on (March 2020). And many liberals, including here on imgflip, cited "recent studies" that were hastily written up that somehow undid the previous 60 years of basic science. Nonsense!

The point of all of this is plain- much of what liberals have been defining as "extreme", "hate speech", "harassment", "racist", "homophobic", etc. are anything but. Indeed, someone does need to decide, and many of us feel quite certain that it should not be anyone that believes a man can become a woman simply by wishing it to be so.
2 ups, 2y,
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The science has always been clear that face masks help prevent infection, which is why surgeons have worn them in operating rooms long before COVID-19 was a thing.

In March 2020, Fauci put out guidance about masks that reflected the fact we didn’t have a ton of masks available at that time, and the ones we did have ought to be reserved for front-line workers. Later on in the pandemic, masks were recommended for general usage. The science didn’t change, only the production and availability of masks did.

Same reason why COVID-19 vaccines, when they first came out, were first made available to the elderly and vulnerable. When supplies are scarce, you go for maximum impact.

Public health is an intersectional field which requires consideration of science and societal resources — and yes, politics.
3 ups, 2y
"The science has always been clear that face masks help prevent infection, which is why surgeons have worn them in operating rooms long before COVID-19 was a thing."

I can tell you have been watching your TV. Surgeons wear masks in operating rooms to prevent large droplets from getting into an open surgical wound, NOT to prevent the spread of airborne illness. "Droplets" was one of the words that Fauxci used during that interview.

As for the lie they dreamed up to explain the about-face concerning mask wearing? That is precisely what it was- a lie.

What is shocking to me is how gullible so many of you are. We know, WE. KNOW. that many of the deaths assigned to Covid do truly belong to Covid. I "love" the fact that Democrats decided to reward the medical field for declaring a death as Covid- political consideration, indeed.
3 ups, 2y
*do NOT belong to Covid . . .
3 ups, 2y,
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I hope having an opposing view dropped in front of you has helped, if not now, perhaps in the future when you have real-life responsibilities.

But honestly, I see no point in continuing conversing with someone who takes the coward's approach to debate. I get it that you "own" those streams, and I get it that there is no defense against my contrasting your "scary" list against your real actions on this site, but if that is all you got, we're done here.

Does it make you feel important, or that you have power, or that you have some control over the scary thing called "life"? I suggest you seriously rethink your life choices, and completely reevaluate your world view. From where I am sitting, it looks pretty pitiful.

;)
3 ups, 2y,
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"Your trollish complaints about my memes were dumb and out-of-place, for reasons it would be too tedious to explain, making deleting and permabanning you from those streams without further comment appropriate."

In other words, you lost the argument, and you lost it bad, and you were embarrassed. As you should be. While I admit it would qualify as "trolling", that was intentional. I suppose I could have swiped the images from those highly important and influential streams of yours (lol), but the argument wasn't worth the time. I wonder if you panicked over the possibility that someone might have seen my comments before your cowardly deletion.

"I’ve thought about these speech issues longer than you have. I mod many streams that combined have thousands of followers. I have developed a sense for what people want to see and what they don’t, and where."

Junior, I was likely thinking about these issues long before you were born, and while you might be impressed with yourself, modding what amounts to, in some cases, soft porn, I certainly am not impressed. Oh look, the good "dr" has discovered boobies on the Internet!

While you are nowhere near an expert in discerning what actually drives people, you are an expert in making excuses. And if you should happen to be born anytime before the year 1980 or so, then you seriously need to do some major growing up. Or get you a wife so you don't have to dream about boobies all by yourself.
1 up, 2y,
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This is so sad.
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2 ups, 2y,
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Welcome to Imgflip, chap, you'll fit right in.

Not on my streams, likely, but you'll find your niche. :)
2 ups, 2y,
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Part 3

""You are to keep My statutes. You shall not crossbreed two different kinds of livestock; you shall not sow your fields with two kinds of seed; and you shall not wear clothing made of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)"

When liberals try to shove the Law down the throats of Christians, it is 100% proof that that liberal is spiritually blind, and has NO IDEA what the "broad message" of Jesus actually is.

So, as I already said, context. What is the context of that passage? When God says that "You are to keep My statutes.", who is the "you" He is speaking of?

It is Israel, and no one else. There are many statutes, commandments, and laws in the Old Testament given to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that were intended to do two primary things:

1. Show the children of Israel that they cannot please God on their own terms, and that by keeping the Law, no one will be saved, for in fact, no one can keep the Law perfectly, aside from the Son of God. Over an over again, God reminds them that they are entirely dependent on His salvation, not their own.
(cf. Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the Law; Rather, through the Law we become conscious of our sin.)

2. That Israel was to be holy, separated from all the other nations/peoples on Earth, solely the nation that is His inheritance. While liberals like to find bits and pieces of other societies that they think resemble the work of the both the Old and New Testaments, this work was new and totally different from anything that had preceded it.

It always amazes me how liberals will discount the Bible, given its age and human pens used to write it, but will cite other information from ancient history that is far more obscure, and contains no providence anywhere near that of the Bible.
1 up, 2y
Serious question: why did god give the Israelites rules to follow, but he didn't give any rules to any other nations?
2 ups, 2y
Part 2

You cannot read the preceding two chapters and conclude that a person must be 100% sinless, in practice, in order to be saved. But the sinner saved by grace understands, and freely admits, that his sin is utterly sinful, and intends to turn from it, and grieves over it. This is considerably different from your take on the "broad message" of Jesus.

Jesus did have a "broad message", which should alarm anyone that thinks like you are right now.

Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter through the narrow gate;
For the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction,
and there are many who enter through it.

For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life,
and there are few who find it.
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In the sense that most liberals would understand it, God (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit) is entirely "intolerant" and "discriminatory". He is not those things when it comes to loving us, but He is most certainly those things when it comes to sin, and to how we approach Him. God is deadly serious about what we do with His Son, His life He lived on Earth, His work on the cross, His resurrection, and His continued work through His apostles until His Word was completed.

"Consider the possibility that you're reading the Bible ass-backwardly and are not a true follower of Christ."

There are things about this which are impossible for you to comprehend, and this is wholly your own fault, based on your hard heart and rebellious mind.

1 Corinthians 2:11-14
For to us God revealed them through the Spirit;
For the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man, which is in him?
Even so, the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
2 ups, 2y
For what it is worth, you have, at least thus far, not approached this subject in the hostile and ignorant manner other liberals on this site do, and I appreciate that. While I have to tell you that you are desperately wrong about what Jesus had to say, at least you aren't being a disrespectful turd like some of the other liberals that like to stalk Christians and Conservatives.

Ironically, your reference to Jesus dealing with the weaponizing of religion that He encountered among the religious Jewish leaders in the 1st Century, could just as easily be directed at these other liberals. They are very much like the Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus routinely railed against.

See if this tactic does not sound familiar, as practiced by leftists:

Luke 11:53-54
When He left there, the scribes and the Pharisees began to be very hostile and to question Him closely on many subjects, plotting against Him to catch Him in something He might say.
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For me, this is not about winning an argument/debate, nor about besting a random Internet opponent to achieve some sense of dominance- I need none of that.

But I was once in the place you are currently in, only I was far more hostile with the Christians I encountered. I, therefore, cannot help but have empathy for those lost in liberalism.

In that 1 John 3 passage I provided, it ended with this:
v.10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
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There is no love in not telling a lost sinner that he or she needs to repent.
There is no love in enabling people to do that which God calls sin.
There is no love in having a false unity so that people do not feel uncomfortable. (cf. 2 Corinthians 6:14)

It is the height of not loving others that brings people to say that they are fine, just the way they are, and that God loves them anyway. God requires a response from us when we are faced with His Gospel- yes, or no.

Yes, You are God, and You get to decide what the rules are.
Yes, I acknowledge this, and I repent of my sin against Your rules.
Yes, You sent Your Son to die in my place, and I accept what He did, and believe in my heart that God raised Him from the dead.
Yes, whatever You say, goes.

Romans 10:8-15
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1 up, 2y
It never fails to astonish the degree to how little liberals know of the Bible, yet like to portray themselves as experts. What is bizarre, though, is how you all come up with the same line of reasoning to attack it, or Christians. It's almost like you Google your replies, and do a copy/paste.

So, here we go again.

Part 1

"You can't take all of the Bible literally or you'd drive yourself mad. So you have to choose a lane. The most sensible lane to follow, in my view, is that of Jesus Christ. The broad message of Jesus was in favor of tolerance, charity, mercy, and against those who weaponize religion to oppress others."

If you do not read ANY form of literature in the sense in which it was written, you will drive yourself mad. The Bible contains a number of different writing techniques, styles, and forms, including, but not limited to: poetry, historical narrative, allegory & parables, letters, statutory/law, prophetic, wisdom/proverbs. And as with any form of modern writing, context is always important in deciding how to understand it.

The "broad message of Jesus" was plain and simple- repent, and believe. While He included dealing with the "weaponiz[ing] religion to oppress others", this was in no way to be understood as approving of the sin of those others.

The passage from 1 Corinthians 6 could not be any clearer- if you do not repent of your sin- acknowledge that God calls it sin, renounce it, and do a 180 from it, you will not inherit the Kingdom of God. You cannot have your sin, and have Jesus, too. This is not to say Christians do not sin.

I John 3:4-10
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.

Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning.
The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
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1 up, 2y,
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As for "your" streams, there's this . . .

Luke 17:1
And Jesus said to His disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come!
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Welcome to God's universe, chap, you don't fit right in. :)
1 up, 2y
"How beautiful are your sandaled feet, princess!
The curves of your thighs are like jewelry,
the handiwork of a master.
Your navel is a rounded bowl;
it never lacks mixed wine.
Your waist is a mound of wheat
surrounded by lilies.
Your breasts are like two fawns,
twins of a gazelle."

Song of Songs 7:1-3

The Bible is full of beautiful contradictions - just like life itself.
1 up, 2y,
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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

Do not be deceived;
Neither fornicators,
nor idolaters,
nor adulterers,
nor effeminate,
nor homosexuals,
nor thieves,
nor the covetous,
nor drunkards,
nor revilers,
nor swindlers,
will inherit the Kingdom of God.

Such *were* some of you;
But you were washed,
but you were sanctified,
but you were justified in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ
and in the Spirit of our God.

- 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
1 up, 2y
I have read enough of the Bible to know that its internal contradictions make it open to virtually any point of view, from the most hateful to the most tolerant. Supporters of slavery cited the Bible. So did abolitionists.

The Bible contains commands that are never followed by modern-day Christians:

"You are to keep My statutes. You shall not crossbreed two different kinds of livestock; you shall not sow your fields with two kinds of seed; and you shall not wear clothing made of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

The very next verse of Leviticus references "slave girls" which certainly provides support to the pro-slavery position.

You can't take all of the Bible literally or you'd drive yourself mad. So you have to choose a lane. The most sensible lane to follow, in my view, is that of Jesus Christ. The broad message of Jesus was in favor of tolerance, charity, mercy, and against those who weaponize religion to oppress others.

Consider the possibility that you're reading the Bible ass-backwardly and are not a true follower of Christ.
1 up, 2y,
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Hilariously most of those things are allowed on Twitter and other social media. Its only conservative speech that's not allowed.
2 ups, 2y,
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If that’s true, then it’s as I suspected: Twitter doesn’t censor *enough.*

There are many conservatives on Twitter. You can tweet about lower taxes and government regulation and inflation all day long. But when you veer into racism, stalking, insurrectionism, medical disinformation, and other abuses, sure that can be censored. Whether you’re a rightie or a leftie.

That’s not conservatism, that’s just toxicity.
1 up, 2y,
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Sure if you have less than 10,000 followers you can get away with just about any tweet, but if you go over that they'll start adding disclaimers and shadow banning you. Then when you hit the 100,000 mark they will ban you for saying anything conservative and label it racism, stalking, insurrectionism, medical disinformation, and other abuses.
2 ups, 2y
Ben Shapiro, 4M followers wants a word with you
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To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker. — Frederick Douglass