It’s not a “vaccine”

Show me the data supporting the claim that these "vaccines" prevent transmission, on a population scale. I'll wait.

I'm just going to destroy your argument here...

1st point: they reduce transmission.

Then explain why studies are showing more and more that people going to hospitals with a new COVID case... Are fully vaccinated and/or fully boostered. If the vaccines worked at helping stop transmission, then we would have a lot less new cases and the cases we have wouldn't be so vaccinated.

2nd point: no one is changing the definition.... Actually - they did change the definition to more help support this round of vaccines. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

3rd Point Immunity: We aren't talking about every pathogen. We are talking about covid and variants. I'm never getting chicken pox again due to natural immunity. My daughter isn't getting it ever due to an effective vaccine. We aren't getting measles or mumps, because we were both vaccinated with an effective vaccine.

4th point: referencing a movie. The movie is actually Idiocracy, not idiocy. If you look at the movie - the movie speaks to how intelligent people stopped having kids and stupid people instead made more babies. Which is what's happening today - low income low intelligence people are making tons of babies. Guess what? Most of those people vote Democrat you moron.

5th point - talking about what mRNA vaccines do. You actually have this spot on for what it does. You know the science well enough to talk about it - as do I. The problem with it being rushed new tech... Isn't that we don't understand it yet... It's that the people pushing mRNA don't understand it yet either. If they understood it , they wouldn't have had so many changes in protocol of what we should do with social distancing, masks, two masks, everything is ok if you get vaccinated, well now you need to wear a mask even if vaccinated, now that's not good enough you need a booster, wait two boosters, wait three boosters... Nope, it's four boosters a mask and social distancing....

Your inability to see all this right in front of your human face? That's what is pathetic

Sorry but you haven't even destroyed the layer of dead skin cells to write that crap.

1More severe transmission symptoms like coughing increase transmission, you haven't debunked that because you'd need to be a wizard to do so.

2Helping support the round of vaccines isn't a bad thing, still not destroying anything buddy, and substituting immunity for protection in the definition, is what makes it more accurate because, like I said, immunity is a colloquial term, which they got rid of for, again, accuracy sake, to reduce the dyssonance between our limited ability to describe things with words, or the difference between real life and a dictionary.

3Covid and their variants are still pathogens, everything else in your post is pure, unadulterated pseudointellectual dribble.

4: Borger King but with a movie I've watched more than twice but misquoted its name, instead of fast food service employee for years, but mispronounces a burger joint chain's name once, therefore checkmate liberal.
Also, there's more ways to reach idiocy than breeding, which is the spreading of your antiintellectual dribble.

BTW, your FAILURE to misinterpret the movie is beyond EPIC.

Most of the stupid people portrayed in the movie that had lots of babies in the present, were white trash trailer park dwellers, the archetype of republican voter, whereas the smart people who didn't have smart babies are the archetype of fake leftist, affluent liberal who thinks they're too good to have kids.

You got it BACKWARDS XDXD.

5: My floor sanitizer only kills 99.99% of germs but that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop sweeping my kitchen's floor until someone comes up with one that kills 100%.

Also, I live in a grown up country and our economy and daily lives are almost the same as they were before everything starter, while you Amerobrained loser, are still discussing about the sex of the angels while the Covidssaries are pounding on them city walls XD.

English isn't even my native language and I'm giving you an L that you'd need several shipping containers to take home.

Your inability to understand basic reality is not just pathetic, it's a joke.

Yeah I did. Everyone knows it too. I didn't even bother to look at the rest of your pathetic attempt to argue.

Yeah yeah, you win by not arguing, if you ignore the facts, they don't exist.
Reich wing magical thinking at it's finest, no wonder conservative economics is so fond of the Austrian school and its Praxeology, which is a precursor of what we know today as "Astrology for men".

Sorry but it's capitalism what brought Big Pharma, pharmacological science brings medicine, not business models to distribute the medicine.

Also, by definition, vaccines are less profitable than hooking people on preventative and prophylactic drugs, which btw, increase the risk of mutation due to a thing called antiviral drug resistance, specially when drugs damage the polymerase enzyme of the virus, which is basically its reproductive system, which uses it to take control over a cell, and force its nucleus to make copies of itself.

Sassy Fry memes aren't an argument, you're all semantics and no wisdom, all edge and no point, sophistry, rhetorical tactics over empirical reality.

Spike protein genome is spike protein genome, what EVERY single vaccine does is giving spike proteins so your organism recognizes the spike proteins of the virus you're combating, covid or otherwise.

It's still the same, and the upgrade is because your organism doesn't need to reverse engineer the spike genome from spike proteins to then make spike proteins, it gets the spike genome and starts making proteins, that's the upgrade, the effect is the same, which is an immune system that recognizes the virus.
Or like I already told you, it skips the middle man.

You don't know how vaccines work, you're an illiterate buffoon who thinks they can substitute knowledge with verborrhea and sassyness.

You're a shill for the Alt-Big Pharma, you're only fooling the stupid and the bad faithed.

Yeah, I know I said I won't be replying more, but this is too much fun.

Better than drugs and for a fraction of the cost without the added risk of mutations due to antiviral drug resistance.
Many symptoms of which examples were provided, increase transmissibility, you don't need a medical degree to know about this one, and if you wanna stay protected while sticking it to Big Pharma, the vaccine is better than natural immunity and it's what they make their least profits from.

And don't quote me the increased profits due to vaccine distribution, those are rookie numbers compared with what you'd get from hooking up all those people on throwing the kitchen sink at it, instead of taking three jabs and kind of forget about it.

Drugs are only good as complement in specific cases, nothing more, anything else is the actual Big Pharma shilling.

But yeah, you see "Big number OOGAA".

Jesus f**king Christ with these pretentious dimwits.

Actually you should do the research on natural immunity compared to "vaccine" immunity with COVID. People who caught COVID verses people who got vaccinated... Are 66% more likely to not get covid again.

Meaning that vaccinated people are getting covid twice or more - at a 2 to 1 ratio.

Care to tell me where did you pull that number? because I'm under the impression you're talking about that Israeli study that the very authors said had its limitations and shouldn't be taken too seriously (For example, it didn't require Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) screening, which is a big f**king deal, for, and I already explained this before, is a virus' reproductive system, using enzymatic chain reactions to intervene host cells and force their nuclei to make copies of the virus.

Don't you realize that every reply I give to you, has to constantly repeat the basics of how a virus works?

Yep, this is exactly like discussing with a 10 year old and I'm slapping your shit so hard it might as well be considered child abuse, so, bye bye dear Covidiot, I hope it's only you and not your loved ones, that suffer from your disinformation, because I hope my slaughtering of keeps stranges in imgflip safe.

19.50 per vaccine. Let's take that times 7 billion, times two. What rookie f**kin numbers am I right? That's where we are headed thanks to compliant scmucks.

Compare that to the zero they get from hospital stays, ventilators and blood treatments and it's just a drop in the bucket, if you have the intelligence of a child. But hey you're having fun!

Now we see you saying how dangerous free speech is. What a f**king fascist.

But keep talking out your ass and pretending you know more because of who you choose to listen to.

273 trillion dollars is a lot more than whatever nonsense you are pretending measures up to it. Keep being disingenuous or vacuous about the numbers.

The MRNA that only replicates the spikes instead of the whole virus is much more likely to be to blame for the mutations since so many people have gotten the vaccine as opposed to the people who took ivermectin. It clear in the long term it was a useless technology in terms of vaccination. Remember the Asiatic flu. I bet you don't. They came put with a regular vaccine and it died out naturally before people even got vaccinated.

Your nonsequitur into democracy which I am an American so f**k democracy is nonsense. We are a constitutional Republic so just because some nitwit thinks thoughts are dangerous doesn't mean the government has any rights to stop me from spouting them.

But your hilariously bad diatribe really proves who here is "literally" the younger and less intelligent one hahahah 😂

You don't know how gravity works in a mathematical way therefor you cannot understand that things fall. Your elitist arguments are inherently wrong no matter who agrees with you because reality is apparent.

Still rookie numbers when comparing a three dose, long lasting immunotherapy, with drugs you have to take constantly untill the pandemic ends, to simulate the effects of, guess what, immunotherapy.

In order to take your reply seriously, I have to ignore the inherent difference between pills and vaccines, It's like I'm arguing with a 10 year old.

Even if Ivermectin was half the cost of the vaccine, it's still more profitable because eventually, you'll have to combine it with other drugs once symptoms get more dangerous.

Not to mention, for the third time, increased risk of mutations, and if you didn't know this, the more mutations, the higher the risk any existing, or even developing treatment, is rendered totally or partially useless.

And all because you think democracy means that the right to be a contrarian is more important than public health and safety.

People like you are a danger to themselves and to society, and we all know what that definition is for.

You don't know how a virus works, how genetics work, how business models work, you don't know nothing yet you act like you know everything, and smugness somehow, counts as substitute for knowledge.

Lmao this is literally like discussing with a 10 year old, I feel I should call your parents and tell them their son is a little edgelord that listens to quacks on the internet.

Everything you said is bullcrap that is already debunked by reading my previous posts that explain how viruses and vaccines worlk.

Also, yeah, Masks aren't perfect, but less perfect it's to wear nothing XD.

Bulletproof vests don't cover the arms but police forces around the world keep using them.

All you have for "arguments" are Nirvana fallacies that fly in the face of the scientific method itself.

You sound like Jordan Peterson talking about statistical models being useless because they're not 100% perfect precognition.

" Do you remember when they said it was the asymptomatic causing the spread?"

The asymptomatic transmitting the disease, and the existence of symptoms that increase transmission like coughing, aren't mutually exclusive.

You can call me all the things you want you braindead cocksucker,

"Remember how masks were going to stop the spread then didn't? Do you ever look at reality and question anything or you just a parrot that wants to be on the right side to lord it over others and pretend you are intelligent when you copy and paste definitions. You are the f**king useless child here and the world is going to be a horrible place for you."

I'm not copypasting shit, bitch XD, I dare you to look for my copypastas, let's have a laugh at the expense of your self-induced disability.

Everything I say is based on empiricism and everything you day is based on indoctrination.

Bulletproof vests reduce deaths by getting shot. Masks increased deaths by covid. Two months after mandating them the deaths spike, not two weeks. I'm sure you will blame that on the bugbear of people not following rules. In a year I saw one person actively attack the rules. What's that .0001 percent of people spreading it because the masks are working lol.

The asymptomatic being the biggest spreaders then and the unvaccinated who supposedly are the biggest spreaders now, who they say are effected the most by covid thus coughing and sneezing the most, are 100 percent mutually exclusive theories. I'm sorry if the reasoning here is beyond you.

As for fallacy let's not pretend the left doesn't take all counter evidence and throw it into the causation vs correlation and thus they constantly turn truth into their bitch through the no true scotsman fallacy.

"The asymptomatic being the biggest spreaders then and the unvaccinated who supposedly are the biggest spreaders now, who they say are effected the most by covid thus coughing and sneezing the most, are 100 percent mutually exclusive theories. I'm sorry if the reasoning here is beyond you.
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Sorry that the reasoning of people coughing more and more often will spread more virus than asymptomatic people (provided of course they both know they're infected, because that was the thing with the asymptomatic, that unless they get tested, they don't know they have Covid, and thus not take as much precautions), or than people whose symptoms are less severe and thus, cough less.

You even know how coughing works?

Sorry if elementary school reasoning prevents you from understanding College grade knowledge.

Are you this stupid on purpose or did the doctors punched you in the head like a piñata, instead of simply smacking your butt, and thus the lack of oxygen turned you into a moron?

Nah, you just got Amerobrain worms...

Seriously, it's funny how anybody reading this will see who uses smugness to compensate, and who uses it for fun because they've already said everything that had to be said.

Grow the f**k up and stop wasting my oxygen.

Nah that guy is automatically right

Science brought to you by big pharma. Enjoy your daily vaccine drive thrus. You are just so smart.

No vaccine stops people from getting or spreading a virus, they simply make it harder for it to spread and mutate, every vaccine does this, every vaccine has been working under this principle since the fitst smallpox vaccine was invented more two a hundred years ago.

If you didn't have an obvious reading comprehension problem, you would've seen that the upgrade consists in delivering spike genes directly to your immune system, instead of spike proteins from which spike genes (enzymes and stuff, you know, the building blocks of life) have to be , meaning your body doesn't have to reverse engineer entire proteins to learn their enzymatic makeup, hence why I also colloquially described the advantage as "skipping the middle man" (This is the second time I explain this, now even further dumbed down).

The shorter a process is, the less room for failure, that's why mRNA technology is a HECKING, UPDATE XD!!

They protect you from an infection, they reduce viral load and chances of mutation right when the moment the virus is inside of you.

Your empty, purposeless meme pretends that vaccines are a star trek shield that prevent viruses from entering inside you, which is the second time I expose that particular flaw in the "reasoning" of you chuds ganging on me and still getting nothing but deleted accounts and unrecognized ownages because your prides are stronger than your intelligences.

Then when enough people gets vaccinated with the same kind of antibodies, not each of us with their own versions bred from natural immunity, it's when you get herd immunity, however, with the way natural immunity works, which is individual adaptations, you only get a bunch of genetically insular herds immunized against a particular version of a strain that has been circulating amongst their communities, maybe even having several insular herds in the same town or neighborhood.

Like I said, you guys don't know shit about genetics, and the Boomstick in that Evil Dead meme is backfiring at you losers something fierce, its irony turning against you.

You don't deserve any further serious responses, you're a joke, and you should be treated as such

I took you more seriously than you took me, you've lost the right to be taken seriously even when I was willing to address you in earnest irregardless.

Don't bother expect further replies, I don't speak Hog.

I'm the one talking the boring truth that requires effort to understand, you're the snowflake who prefers to believe an entertaining lie that any imbecile can repeat.

You cannot handle truths. Truths like 99.9999 percent immunity in small pox, chicken pox, measles and mumps etc... is basically 100 percent immunity whereas the limited window of the mrna vaccine makes it impossible to come up with a coherent number to its effectiveness. So 14 days after a second shot for two months you may have some protection but if it doesn't work its because of some variant etc.... wow what a convenient excuse. This miracle mrna was adaptable I thought? I guess not.

How about the truth that statistically there is no difference under 55 whether you get the shot or not?

Do you care that it wanes when they said it was 95 percent effective? Do you care that if the vaccine worked you wouldn't have to worry about the unvaccinated? Do you remember when they said it was the asymptomatic causing the spread? Remember how masks were going to stop the spread then didn't? Do you ever look at reality and question anything or you just a parrot that wants to be on the right side to lord it over others and pretend you are intelligent when you copy and paste definitions. You are the f**king useless child here and the world is going to be a horrible place for you.

Show me the data supporting the claim that these "vaccines" prevent transmission, on a population scale. I'll wait.

In the meantime, every day the data is stronger: These "vaccines" are neither safe nor effective.

U triggered?

Is that all you got to say?
Holly shit you people are a treasure trove of mental challenges.

Lol! Holly shit? You’re a failure.

Your mother didn't say that last night.

Cope harder rube, you're the reason your country is going to shit.

No one is disputing 74 million "cases" in the US, and no one is disputing that almost 900K people died "with" covid in the US.

Worst case scenario (ignoring commodities, and ignoring that the average age of "covid death" is older than average life expectancy), all that data "proves" is a case fatality rate of about 1%.

Accounting for 80-90% of those "covid deaths" being "with covid", not "from covid", the worst case scenario here is that we're dealing with something as deadly as a common flu; in which case, a "vaccine" with no long-term safety data, and no real efficacy, is more harm than good.

TRUST THE EXPERTS!!! 🤣🤣🤣

1. Joe Biden: “You’re Not Going To Get COVID If You Have These Vaccinations.”

2. Tony Fauci: “You Become A Dead End To The Virus.”

3. Rochelle Walensky: “Vaccinated People Do Not Carry The Virus — They Don’t Get Sick.”

4. Alberta Bourla: “[O]ur COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%!”

5. Bill Gates: “A key goal [of the vaccination program] is to stop transmission.”

6. Rachel Maddow: “Now we know that the virus stops with every vaccinated person.”

7. Francis Collins: “‘[R]eason to be pretty optimistic’ that the available COVID-19 vaccines will be effective against the new Omicron variant of the virus; All of the other variants that have emerged during this COVID-19 pandemic have shown response to the vaccine, including Delta

8. Brian Stelter: “The newspaper [USA Today] describes ‘America’s fourth Covid-19 surge,’ noting this ‘didn’t have to happen,’ since vaccinations are so widely available. The headlines are followed by a call to action: ‘Let’s end it now.’”

You still don't know how vaccines work.

Besides, I provided you with the most detailed follow up and all you got to say is a bunch of quotes from newspapers and politicians.

Post hard science like I'm doing, or shut up, you're only doing propaganda and I can feel my brain wanting to fly off my ears to stop the torture.

You're a joke, you got nothing.

Jeez man keep this up it’s interesting

You're getting a college grade lesson for free, you should be paying me enough to put your house as collateral.

Nah I’m good lol, I’m seeing both sides

Lol cool, Sorry for the college debt joke tho, it was too cheap a shot not to take it

Ye it was funny lol