That's when you know that they never were "experts", they have always been "central planners". It is part of the new fascist regime that the left is forcing on us.
the pandemic was over when everyone else was quarantined and there were crowds of people protesting & rioting for BLM and the government said nothing about COVID and just let people closely gather together to riot for BLM.
They were wrong about how it was a hoax, that it wasn't as bad as the flu, that it would just magically disappear, that it would go away after Biden was elected, that the CDC was lying about how many people are dying, about hydroxychloroquine, about ivermectin, and now they're saying drink your own pee to cure it?
They have literally been wrong about everything involving COVID, why would people still listen to them?
Because according to the Japan department o health, they're not using horse dewormer.
You can check that here: https://www.pmda.go.jp/about-pmda/news-release/0012.html
You know what is on that page? Vaccines. washing your hands. Wearing a mask. Social distancing.
And India? There's exactly 1 study out of India that used ivermectin to treat covid. This may shock you; the mild cases recovered. You can read the science here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34483029/
The people conservatives say would recover because 99% recover, recovered. Here,
Shocking. I know.
So, until you can bring some hard scientific data...you're wrong.
What you derogatively call "horse dewormer" in order to ridicule a medical treatment is called Ivermectin which is a long-approved drug - - in humans.
Off-label prescriptions of approved drugs is common and perfectly legal practice.
https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-about-expanded-access-and-other-treatment-options/understanding-unapproved-use-approved-drugs-label
https://www.goodrx.com/healthcare-access/medication-education/off-label-drug-prescriptions
PMDA is NOT "Japanese Department of Health"
The Japanese Department of Health is called MHLW "Ministry of Health Labor & Wellfare"
PMDA is "Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency" which -at best- comes close to some sort of FDA-like agency.
Ivermectin is in use in Japan since Aug-2021; recomendation given by Tokyo Medical Association.
I've been elaborating on this two months ago- with links and videos in the thread linked below. imgflip.com/i/5udq63#com15564646
You whistlelock chose to not further engage on that thread; instead you continue to spread the "Japanese Department of Health" hoax. sad.
thanks for the effort. the mere fact these vaxxnazis shit themselves over a drug that won it's creators a Nobel peace prize, even after President Obama disgraced that, it told you all you needed to know. A cheap drug that is effective? oh no the pharma CEOs pit a stop to that and unleashed their army if sheep.
Thank you. Big Pharma suppressing promising alternative treatments in order to boost their own products is nothing new.
What saddens me most is that the left- once being a powerful counterbalance to corporate misdemeanor and government corruption- completely lost it and are sucking Big Pharma's dick.
A contextless graph showing a dramatic plunge is evidence that someone can make a graph.
Show me the scientific studies. Show me the data.
If you claim the vaccines can't be trusted because they haven't been tested enough, how can you possibly accept ivermectin as a treatment with 0 evidence?
0 data. 0 evidence.
Japan has an 80%+ vaccination rate. They are culturally predisposed to social distancing & mask-wearing when sick. things that everyone in science says works.
But you're gonna say it's due to horse paste?
It's been months since that drop in cases in Japan. There should be evidence of the horse paste working. Like clear, concise data that shows it worked.
contextless random graph- huh?
it doesn't get more embarrassing than that.
those are solid hard GOVERNMENT data.
Source: "MINISTRY OF HEALTH LABOR & WELLFARE JAPAN"
cited right there. IN. THE. GRAPH.
ya know like the REAL Japnese Department of Health
not the hoax one you have the cheek to link to.
just some dude can make a graph?!? are you kidding?
Analyst Juan Chaime is a highly reputable and authorized Statistician and Data Analyst who does this for a living. He inked his name on the graph.
stop being such a disrespectful brat; it's painful to watch.
Haha that "case number skyrocketing" is the contageous but mild Omicron mutation.
Conventionel treatment, natural immunity and a healthy immune-system cope great with mild Omicron btw.
The mRNA vaccines? Not so much.
Omicron is way more severe in the vaccinated than in those with natural immunity or an unirritated immune-system.
Israel is worse off. They went full Pfizer the earliest and are at their 4th dose by now.
I do. The data I have says that just like all the other breakthrough cases, omicron is less severe.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.30.21268495v1
Conclusions First time SARS-CoV-2 infections occurring at a time when the Omicron variant was rapidly spreading were associated with significantly less severe outcomes than first-time infections when the Delta variant predominated.
So... fantasyland nonsense says it's worse for those with vaccines. Facts and science say it's not.
That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.
Israel has 9.4 million people.
USA has 330 million people.
Who do you think you are gaslighting.
CDC: "Natural immunity offers better protection against the delta covid variant than the vaccine"
Israel studies (links in article)
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/08/31/natural-immunity-offers-better-protection-against-delta-variant-than-mrna-vaccines-study-n2595054
new CDC studiy (link in article)
https://newsrescue.com/natural-covid-immunity-more-effective-than-vaccination-2-5x-better-cdc-study/
That's not the cdc. That's newsrescue. Do you know what they don't do?
Link to the actual study they say makes this claim.
But they do lead with this:
The study, published on Wednesday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), found that as the Delta variant became the dominant coronavirus strain during the second half of 2021, people who were vaccinated were six times less likely to catch Covid-19 than those who hadn’t been jabbed.
So...
If you haven't caught covid it's in your best interest to get vaccinated.
Your link in the argument against vaccines leads with vaccinated people are less likely to get infected.
Good job. You disproved your own point.
Because otherwise your point is "go get sick, and if you live you won't get as sick again."
and that's bad policy. That's how people die.
And I don't know how to tell you that their lives are important in a way that you'll understand.
The elderly high-at-risk age group may quarantine, mask up, jab & booster for all I care. For healthy adults and kids the CFR is significantly lower than the harm from adverse events.
see my other thread imgflip.com/i/61ulb5#com16832847
Omicron is infecting the kids at significantly higher rates than the other age groups.
From Tarrant and Dallas County data: https://www.utsouthwestern.edu/covid-19/assets/modeling.pdf
Check out slide 12. That's the rate for 0-17.
Every infection regardless of age risks serious lifetime complications and death. Every infection causes another mutation in the virus. Each one could be the origin of the next wave of a more infectious and deadlier version.
You've convinced yourself that somehow not getting vaccinated is better for you.
You're wrong.
That attitude is why we're having to deal with this 2 years now. And likely will for a few more years.
That link is completely useless.
A preprint that essentially compares Omicron to Delta.
"SARS-CoV-2 infections occurring at a time when the Omicron variant was rapidly spreading were associated with significantly less severe outcomes than first-time infections when the Delta variant predominated."
Excuse me, but findings that "Omicron is less severe than Delta" is not news.
Also it completely misses my point that vaccinated and boostered have more trouble coping with new variants like Omicron than those with healthy immune systems or those with natural immunity. A consequence of irritated and vaccine-compromised immune systems (VAIDS).
Again. Show me the data that proves this "vaccinated people have more trouble coping" because ALL the evidence I've seen shows that unvaccinated people are struggling with the virus while vaccinated people are highly resistant to it and if they do have a breakthrough infection, it's mild.
• "overall crude case rates" is not a conclusive criteria. Those are a function of testing; the more you test the more cases you get. Mandatory testing in the unvaccinated as opposed to only sporadic testing in the vaxxed population those cases reported to the ELR of course are mostly unvaccinated by default.
• testing methods yielding false positives (varying with disease prevalence) amplify that effect
• same with asymptomatic cases.
Then again: the stats is outdated; the vax offers no protection against Omicron. quite the opposite.
sorry you prove they DON'T work. the fact you guys freaked out about them told me everything. the extent of it when you SHOULD be trying different methods.
its done. and this is no partisan shit. they all ALL complicit. but you play your little game. you might have a bit of time left, mudblood. sorry you were suckered. many were. but you pushed it hard. so whatever. karma
That's not how science works. it's not. You don't base medical treatments on things like "well, you don't know it DOESN'T work!"
That's how people die.
Here's a meta-study (where someone took a bunch of studies and added them all up) on the use of ivermectin: https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989
It showed that ivermectin did work. There was just one problem. The studies had all heavily relied on one trial in Egypt. That had falsified its data. The same 11 patients and their information had been copy/pasted hundreds of times to make it seem like the treatment was super effective.
the writers of the meta-study have since retracted their work as it's based on lies.
There is no evidence that ivermectin works against covid. Lots for its use in combating parasites. 0 for covid.
Basing medical treatment on a shrug and "it might work, you don't know" is how a lot of people die.
well, the fact checker was the head of the NHS issuing a statement via their press secretary. So. I'm gonna go with it's fake.
Since the people responsible for making something like that said it's fake.
But stick with your feelings. They're so much easier than facts. Your feelings will never challenge you. They'll never require you to change. And they don't require you to think.
You do, in fact, operate entirely off of feelings. that fake NHS checklist proves it. You never once stopped to question it, because it FELT right to you. It confirmed all the things you want to believe are true.
YOu didn't even think to do a basic google search.
know talk about 2 weeks, everything will go back to normal when we get a vaxx, Biden will defeat covid, won't have vaxx PASSPORTS and all the crap you vaxxnaxis swallowed.
