Till now blood clots in children were so rare, no company thought it worthwhile to manufacture a blood thinner for kids.

I mean, Trump created the vaccines, right?

Nope, he cleared the way so they could be approved faster. The composites themselves made the vaccine.

https://youtu.be/70OZXq56Meg

He took credit for it and said they were pushing the FDA to approve. Its funny, its actually something we can all agree he did right, though he doesn't deserve full credit. Well, I mean the people who aren't compartmentalizing based on politics can agree he did that part right.

I don't see anything in that tweet where Trump claims to have created the vaccines.

So wanting history to remember they happened on his watch was, what?

This is a hilarious conversation BTW. I agree with him. He was at the helm when we got vaccines faster than any estimate. And they are good vaccines (disinformation to the contrary). If you don't want the credit, whatever.

Actuality, the effectiveness of the vaccine is super low if you don't count the CDC definition of vaccinated (14 days after the final booster). In fact there's research out there that indicates the shot permanently damages your immune system. If you know how the shot works, you know it doesn't confer any immunity at all. So when you get covid you have the same natural immunity as everyone else.

If you are talking about the same paper I read, it is a non peer reviewed research that shows that certain viral responses are suppressed after the vaccine, but even the docs who wrote that paper says the vaccine is effective. They didn't quantify the level of suppression and made no claim that it was permanent. There recommendation was more research especially into how this could impact vaccine schedules (timing for different vaccines). But if you are taking about something different, can you give me a link?

Yes they quantified the level. You read an article but not the research paper. Later, different research shows the shot is less than 20% effective.

Context: a Qatar study showed the effectiveness against infection wanes to 20% after 5-7 months, but people are still being hospitalized less and dying less.

Which makes sense - your body doesn't keep producing antibodies after an infection is clear, so immunity wanes. But b cells and t cells form long term defense. B cells specifically will be able to produce more of those antibodies.

As for the reprogrammed immunity... I'll read up.

If it's a bad infection your body stores the antibody data to use later.

Alright, I read the research paper...and I'll need to read it again and research more of I truly want to understand it.

They do point out that existing vaccines have similar effects, and they don't say the reprogramming is permanent.

If the noted effects were dangerous, I would have expected the author's to say so.

It's Halloween... Time permitting I might try to learn more in this. But personally I'm satisfied that it isn't a problem. If it immune systems were so easily permanently damaged, they wouldn't be very good immune systems.

I think you don't understand that the immune system is extremely hard to damage in this way. Literally the only way you can do it is with gene therapy, like in the covid shot.

The COVID shot isn't gene therapy. It does insert mRNA into the cell to replicate the spike protein, but that's how viruses replicate anyway - by inserting themselves into your cell's processes so that new viruses will be created.. The idea of being more scared of the COVID vaccine than the coronavirus is something that doesn't make sense to me.

Libtards wanted a magic stab for Fauxi's plandemic and now they have it.
Happy happy, joy joy!

Faucis pandemic? 😂
I'm reminded that paranoia is related to narcissism. You have to think people are obsessed with you to believe there is a plot against you.

The whole world is affected. There are 7 vaccines approved worldwide.

Libtard - how very original.

Clearly there is something more to these vaccines if they want to force kids to get the shot. Kids are the least effected by COVID. I think I have heard the COVID vaccine has killed more children than COVID. Regardless, of that, it just makes no sense to force the vaccine on children. It makes no sense to force it on anyone.

Risks are similar in kids to the flu.

No, if the COVID vaccine had killed even a single kid I guarantee the anti-vax crowd would be saying it everywhere.

There have been multiple deaths reported in children from the vaccines.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/06/25/teen-boy-dies-a-few-days-after-receiving-second-covid-vaccine-shot/

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-denmark-public-health-health-453163d8f93618fde90c06d3474921a0

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-seeks-halt-teen-vaccines-some-state-governors-resist-2021-09-16/

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08/new-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-events-in-children/

Plus the increase in the number of myocarditis especially among teen males. What they are not saying about heart problems is that they may last for life. Once the heart muscle is damaged. it remains damaged even though the patient may recover from the initial cause of the damage.

https://picu.ucdavis.edu/health-news/newsroom/heart-inflammation-covid-19-and-the-rare-side-effects-of-the-vaccine/2021/09

https://www.foxnews.com/health/heart-inflammation-covid-19-vaccine-teens-investigated

https://www.foxnews.com/health/israel-finds-possible-link-between-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-myocarditis

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210826/heart-inflammation-more-common-after-covid-than-after-vaccination

I stand somewhat corrected. There was one US death reported, and it is being investigated.

Honestly, it's possible that it was the cause. Heart information is an uncommon side effect. But compare that to the reported 558 deaths of COVID itself for people under 18.

Even so, in surprised his name isn't out there more.

To be clear, I'm not saying vaccines should it shouldn't be enforced in kids. I would hope that at a minimum they would give medical exceptions to any kids with a history of even family history of heart disease. But in that same note, if the vaccine killed them, the virus might as well.

The UK is reporting that deaths among children are 52% higher this year than the five-year average. The spike started at the same time they began rolling out the vaccines for children under 18. It was even higher among male children.

Correlation does of course not always equal causation.

https://dailynewsbreak.org/uk-child-deaths-are-52-higher-than-the-5-year-average/

https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/27/deaths-among-male-children-increased-by-89-percent-since-given-covid-19-vaccine/

https://nworeport.me/2021/10/22/right-after-the-covid-19-vaccine-uk-child-deaths-are-52-higher-than-the-5-year-average/

Sorry, but I don't believe vaccines should be mandated for anyone. It is a personnel choice.

Both of those are reposts of the same story. The percentage increase is 52%, but that is because the 5 year average is 17 deaths in the weeks covered. This year the deaths are 26 in that period. That may well be a statistical anomaly.

Were the 26 deaths from kids vaccinated? Idk, and the article doesn't actually claim one way or the other.

You're correct, it could be an anomaly. It could just as easily be related to vaccine side effects, we don't know for sure, and that is the problem.

There is not enough information available to be forcing people to get vaccinated. If a person does their own research and talks to their doctor, and then decides the benefits outways the risks we know of as of now, that is their choice to get the jab.

Likewise, if a person would rather wait for the clinical trials to finish in 2023 and get a better understanding of all the risks, short term, and long term, that is also their choice not to be inoculated.

The government should not be involved and mandating it.

Remember, every drug or vaccine ever removed from the market for being unsafe or dangerous was once approved by the FDA and CDC as safe and effective.

I have no reason to disbelieve the CDC and FDA on this. Honestly, given all of the accusations that have turned out to be BS, its getting hard to take anything against them seriously. I'm trying...but I've spent a lot of time researching stuff that turns out to be BS.

If there is any sure thing it is that getting American kids killed is going to rouse the American people. Being the party in control if that happens would be a sure way to get killed politically.

I just have trouble believing the FDA would sign off on kids if there was secret info as dire as that post implies.

Every drug ever removed was approve - true. But in this case it isn't a drug to be taken in an ongoing fashion or where it will stay in the body as a toxic substance. It is injected and produces spike protein via mRNA messaging (same as viruses work, actually). Y'all seem to think we don't trust immune systems or immunity. Its quite the opposite actually.

"In 1736 I lost one of my sons, a fine boy of four years old, by the smallpox taken in the common way. I long regretted bitterly and still regret that I had not given it to him by inoculation. This I mention for the sake of the parents who omit that operation, on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a child died under it; my example showing that the regret may be the same either way, and that, therefore, the safer should be chosen." - Benjamin Franklin

The anti-vax crowd is who I heard that from. That is why I don't know for sure it is true or not.

If it were there would be a whole "say his name" campaign.

If the kids pic had been released it would already be a meme template.

I doubt it. Only the left gets that luxury. The right is completely ignored by the media 99.99999% of the time.

Fox news is the most watched news network.
Foxnews.com is the third most visited news site for written news. That "we have no outlet" isn't reality.

Fox News is no longer conservative. When Rupert Murdoch died he left it to his sons who are all liberals. The network has been increasingly becoming more and more leftist ever since. If it wasn't for Hannity, Gutfeld and Watters there wouldn't be any conservatives on Fox News.

The reason why Fox HAD such high ratings is because people got sick and tired of the barrage of nonstop misinformation that comes out of the mainstream news.

However, when Fox announced that Arizona went for Biden after only 1 vote was counted a boatload of conservatives went to NewMax, OANN and The BlazeTV.

That isn't what happened in AZ. Both the AP and Fox actually use APvotecsast - its the same system they used when they called 2016 for Trump. They called for Biden when the vote was 80% counted and Biden was 136,000 votes in the lead. That lead did shrink, but based on the voter polling in counties that remained they saw no way Trump could take the lead.

And if Fox is too liberal, you have Newsmax, OANN, BlazeTV, etc.

You're not understanding. I said Fox is becoming just another mainstream propaganda arm of the Democrat Party. I didn't say they were or are too liberal, they're becoming that way.

I think its funny that you guys claim Democrats control the media. Its such a weird way of putting it.

The fact that a lot in the media have a liberal bias and that impacts what they say and what they believe - yes. But the idea that it is some sort of organized control...that doesn't pass the sniff test.

Then you're lot looking hard enough. They protect Biden and hide his senility as much as they can. Is that the job of a journalist? If Donald Trump farted and a journalist heard it they would report that Trump even farts racism. Is that the job of a journalist?

Even if there isn't a direct link between the Democrat party and the mainstream media they are still 100% in sync with each other.

Aww, because FOX called the election in Biden's favor DAYS before anyone else did?

If you give this to your kids, wouldn't you need to either lock them in the house, or wrap them in bubble wrap, to keep them from bleeding from a cut or scrape?

Cause blood thinners couldn't possibly have any other medical application.

Lets see.. I'm under 18, I've had 2 covid vaccines, no blood clots!

Not everyone gets blood clots; but a lot do!!!

They don’t, everybody in my school is vaccinated and none had blood clots.

Not a lot at all.

1. It is the first oral blood thinner for kids. Not the first blood thinner for kids.

2. Blood clots are one of the side effects of the swelling caused by COVID itself, so it was probably prioritized for that reason.

3. The only US vaccine that has reported risk of blood clots is the J&J vaccine which isn't approved for kids yet.

Sorry, they all cause blood clots.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15

I stand corrected.

Though, the numbers arent bad. .0004% or 0005% chance of blood clots.

According to the study, 4 in 1 million people experience cerebral venous thrombosis after getting the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, versus 5 in 1 million people for the AstraZeneca vaccine.

All drugs, vaccines, etc. has a side affect or two. That is a scientific and historical fact. The problem with Covid Vaccine is that the 'experts' are saying there is no side affects no matter how common or rare they are.

No, they aren't. They are saying serious side effects are rare, which they are.

Funny how the "a virus with a 99% survival rate" people suddenly find issue with .000004% instance of blood clots.

More lies

Care to be specific? I might be wrong, but I'm not lying.

Three kinds of lies

4 kinda of evasion

Infinite levels of bs

Limitless deflection.

Only one of us has avoided answering questions.

Right, because children are more susceptible to the Wuhans.

Pradaxa is an existing medication, so I imagine it wasn't a ton of effort to formulate a kids version.

While fewer kids are affected, the under 11 crowd has around 2.8 million cases, so even a small percentage can be thousands of kids. A chewable version would also potentially get them out of the hospital and home sooner.

No, FDA approval is easy when the board owns stock in the company. But we overlook big business overreach when it fits liberal agendas.

Conversely, conservatives care about big business influence even it fits their agenda?

You throw out an accusation that this drug was approved nefariously and treat it like that accusation is fact. Every drug goes through that save process. I'm not saying your accusation is impossible, but I'm going to need more than just possible.

Right, just like that extra popular mRNA stab that's being sold as a cure for the cold virus.

They are working to use it to make flu vaccines now. It's faster and cheaper than any of the current ways of making vaccines.

They've been taking about and researching these methods for a while.

Well they don't work for the Wuhans.
Maybe it's going to be like that heart medication that didn't work, but made people grow hair instead. Maybe the mRNA stab is the cure for hemophilia?

You low level skeptics amuse me. Being skeptical only if those who oppose you.

Once you level up your paranoia, you'll become a real skeptic. You'll start to worry that people are playing off of your paranoia and biases.

Then you start to doubt and double check the things you want to be true and hold those things to the same standards as things you don't want to be true.

Almost everything I know is provisional and as such I'm always willing to change those things.