Many people's think tanks are running on e.

I can tell how stupid you are.

Because the chances of death from the vaccine are far FAR lower than death from coronavirus

The side effects are rare and just because you might not experience serious illnesses doesn’t mean the others you infect be as lucky. I am going to go out on a limb and say that others’ health is less concern for you. Does that fall outside critical thinking?

I guess so cause my family and I will not be vaccinated for a virus that is nearly 100% survivable.

Um there is even closer to 100% chance you will survive by taking the vaccine. It almost feels like you shouldn’t be one that lectures others on lack of critical thinking.

If a person is told by the doctor to get open heart surgery and the person show zero symptoms of anything related to open heart surgery then should the person still get the procedure?

using their own line of thinking against them

It the surgery would prevent a pending heart attack and/or prevent you from spreading attacks to others, then, yes.

Kind of a ridiculous analogy here because heart surgery is nowhere close to a vaccine. However if we play the game then if that heart surgery has nearly 100% of survival and little to no side effects and it could potentially save other people from dying then yes. Anyway such a useless analogy.

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You mean choosing blood clots over DEATH.

Blood clots, which are treatable.

The chances of getting blood clots from Covid are far higher than getting them from the vaccine.

Not enough research on the vaccine to know that. Must wait years to find out.

Not enough research on Covid to know either. You gonna wait years to find out about that too?

The bottom line is the immune system has been 99.97% effective against covid. Really don't even need a vaccine.

The vaccine causes the same effect on the immune system as catching the virus. The difference is, with the vaccine, you don’t risk death and you’re not contagious, spreading it to others in the meantime.

um you don't risk death from the vaccine???? tell that to the more than 10,00 people who died from the vaccine! those are VAERS numbers not mine look it up ! I personally know 2 people who died from the vaccine one just six hours later the other a 33 year old woman who died from blood clots 2 weeks after the second dose .

Um as if July 12, 2021, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine - VAERS numbers, not yours.
Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

Anyway, the risk of death by contracting the virus is far greater than from getting the vaccine. But if these statistics scare you, don’t get the vaccine. Nobody is forcing you to. Just take precautions to not spread the virus to others when and if you get it.

Sorry about the deaths of the 2 people you knew. We’re their deaths directly attributed to the vaccine?

You may, actually, still be contagious but other than that...

You can’t be contagious from the vaccine since you don’t actually have the virus.

Right, but you can still catch the virus even if you take the vaccine. And you can still potentially spread it through asymptotical transmission. Granted, these are very very rare but it is inaccurate to say you're no longer contagious just because you're vaccinated.

Not sure what point you’re trying to make is. You’re not contagious before you’re vaccinated either . . . Unless you have the virus. I’m not claiming that the virus in 100% effective if that’s what you’re getting at.

I said what I said.

You can still catch and spread the virus even when vaccinated. Before, during, and after.

The only thing the vaccine does for the vaccinated is significantly lower your risk of transmission and hospitalization.

It doesn't completely prevent these things, however.

I think you need to study up on how the vaccine works. Yes, it significantly lowers your risk of transmission and hospitalization IF you happen to become infected. But it’s main benefit is it helps your body keep from becoming infected in the first place.

Yes, it doesn’t completely prevent it, just like getting the virus doesn’t completely make you immune either.

People are still getting covid after getting vaccinated.

You’re grasping a straws trying to defend your argument.

What percentage of vaccinated people are getting Covid?

You can choose not to get vaccinated if you want. Nobody is forcing you to. But Covid mutations, like the Delta variant are more contagious and deadly than the original virus. Unvaccinated people are giving these variants the ability to spread. Are you gonna wait until your or your family contracts a more deadly variant to take precautions?

In the meantime, stop spreading false information about the vaccine since you obviously don’t know what your talking about.

3 of the Texas democrats all of whom were vaccinated tested positive for covid they are not alone thousands of "vaxxed" people have tested for the virus many of them have gotten sick ad or died

And your point is . . . ?

In America, I should be free to say whatever I want.

Even that’s not true. Like I said, nobody is forcing you to get vaccinated.

Another point to your argument - people are still getting Covid again after getting it the first time.

Sorry to piss you off. Can't stop posting from my point of view.

It is not that you have a point of view. YOU ARE KILLING OTHER PEOPLE WITH MISINFORMATION. Bullshit. If you don't wanna take it fine die, but spreading false lies is wrong and you know it.

Sorry for exposing your ignorance. Can’t stop posting my point of view either.

The fatality rate is somewhere between 1.6-1.8% So, it's more accurate to say 98.2% or so.

I got the vaccine because my wife is one of the more vulnerable to the virus. If she were to get it, her chances of survival would be near 50 percent as opposed to 98 percent. If you don't want to take the vaccine, then don't.

The only problem I have is someone telling me I still have to put a mask on even after I tell them I've been vaccinated.

I've never been afraid of it.

Sorry to hear about your wife's health. I won't get it.

Because studies show that people who have been vaccinated are transmitting.

Then wear the mask. I don't have to.

So, you don't care if you catch the virus and transmit it to your 50 percent chance of surviving wife?

That's pretty cold.

I most certainly do. Masks have nothing to do with it. We're both vaccinated.

They do. At this time, the breakthrough rates are not significant but considering the precautions you've already taken to make sure your wife does not die, I find it odd that you don't consider additional measures to at least wear a mask.

The CDC, at this time, is not recommending mask use but if there are enough breakthrough cases, they will. I would rather err on the side of caution than risk my wife ending up in the ICU.

But you do you.

I get it, you and your wife got the vaccine. That is great, but we're not out of the woods yet. In fact, because we have such a significant portion of the population choosing to not take it, we run the risk of breeding more variants that could significantly reduce the effectiveness of the vaccines we have. Rendering your decision to take the vaccine, despite any reservations you might've had, completely moot.

You seemed frustrated about why you had to wear a mask and I just decided to tell you why. You shrugged it off. You are not as ignorant as some, I'll grant you that, but if you don't understand the reason for redundant precautions in the face of uncertainty of the overall effectiveness of the vaccine, then I don't know what to tell you.

"They do. At this time, the breakthrough rates are not significant but considering the precautions you've already taken to make sure your wife does not die, I find it odd that you don't consider additional measures to at least wear a mask."

Masks have already been proven not to do anything to stop or slow viruses. They, in fact, worsen your immune system the longer the mask is used. I do my research and I don't take it lightly.

"The CDC, at this time, is not recommending mask use but if there are enough breakthrough cases, they will."

The CDC is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the left and their Marxist agenda. But let's say they're the beacon of truth in this matter for the sake of argument. They themselves made the claim that if you have been fully vaccinated, you DO NOT have to wear the mask and can resume life as usual. The fact there may be someone in a crowd who isn't vaccinated isn't my problem, it's theirs. If they choose not to get vaccinated, that's their choice and I will not go out of my way to make sure they're safe. They made the choice and they can deal with it.

"I get it, you and your wife got the vaccine. That is great, but we're not out of the woods yet. In fact, because we have such a significant portion of the population choosing to not take it, we run the risk of breeding more variants that could significantly reduce the effectiveness of the vaccines we have."

At this point, I trust absolutely nothing Fauci or the government tells me. They have already been proven liars in this regard and the government I haven't trusted them since I became an adult. Nothing they tell me I take seriously. Let's ignore the fact they don't give a shit about you or me, they just want power and nothing more. Making you wear a mask is just one cog in the entire machine of their Marxist goals.

"You seemed frustrated about why you had to wear a mask and I just decided to tell you why. You shrugged it off. You are not as ignorant as some, I'll grant you that, but if you don't understand the reason for redundant precautions in the face of uncertainty of the overall effectiveness of the vaccine, then I don't know what to tell you."

I understand the vaccine enough to understand what it does. And I also know what masks can and cannot do when it comes to viruses.

And I'll explain this again before you go off on another tirade about the Evil CDC...

The reason why the unvaccinated are a problem is because they represent a major unknown factor. That factor is whether or not they can breed a variant of the virus that renders the vaccine completely useless. According to research, tho it is relatively rare, you can catch and transmit the virus even if you are vaccinated. Even rarer, your wife, even vaccinated, can still end up in the ICU if she or you are around maskless unvaccinated people.

That is what is going on right now in the south.

The CDC's recommendation of mask use has been no, yes, and now no for the vaccinated. So they can change their minds on this again if there are enough people, who've been vaccinated, who still wind up hospitalized because of COVID.

You know how people are saying that the pharmaceutical companies are being protected from being sued? One of those reasons is how effective the vaccine will stand up against variants of the covid virus.

"The CDC is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the left and their Marxist agenda."

Then you shouldn't have taken the vaccine at all if you really believe that.

"But let's say they're the beacon of truth in this matter for the sake of argument. They themselves made the claim that if you have been fully vaccinated, you DO NOT have to wear the mask and can resume life as usual."

They did, but in science, you go with the best evidence you have at the time. Facts can change, but that doesn't mean that the information you have now is no longer truth or that the information back then will always be true. That's just not how science works.

"The fact there may be someone in a crowd who isn't vaccinated isn't my problem, it's theirs."

So, anything to say on variants or....?

"If they choose not to get vaccinated, that's their choice and I will not go out of my way to make sure they're safe."

Didn't say you need to.

"They made the choice and they can deal with it."

I'm with you on that. You still need to wear a mask if your wife is really one of the more vulnerable ones. If you don't believe me, which, healthy skeptism of some stranger online, then ask your doctor.

"Then you shouldn't have taken the vaccine at all if you really believe that."

I took the vaccine on my own merit and did my own research on it. The CDC didn't have anything to do with my decision (or at least very little).

"So, anything to say on variants or....?"

Just more fear mongering. We'll be fine. I'm more worried about the government's reaction and the media's reaction to it. All they do is stir up fear where there doesn't need to be.

"I'm with you on that. You still need to wear a mask if your wife is really one of the more vulnerable ones. If you don't believe me, which, healthy skeptism of some stranger online, then ask your doctor."

If you think we don't talk with our doctor on a regular basis, then you're mistaken. My wife has, among other things, kidney failure and is on dialysis. She sees the doctor at least three times a month, not to mention many nurses. Trust me, masks are the least important at the moment.

“I took the vaccine on my own merit and did my own research on it. The CDC didn't have anything to do with my decision (or at least very little).”

This and…

“Just more fear mongering. We'll be fine. I'm more worried about the government's reaction and the media's reaction to it. All they do is stir up fear where there doesn't need to be.”

This does not correlate.

So you’re full of shit. Thanks for the chat.

I'm not sure what you're trying to convey. I'm not full of shit as you claim, but then again there seems to be a lot of idiots on this site that has that argument as their go-to move when they don't have anything to say.

You made no sense in your last comment. How does me not fearing a virus and also taking the vaccine make me full of shit?

"I'm not full of shit as you claim, but then again there seems to be a lot of idiots on this site that has that argument as their go-to move when they don't have anything to say."

More bullshit.

When you claim the CDC is "nothing more than a mouthpiece for the left and their Marxist agenda," and then claim it had "very little" to do with your decision to take it; then on some level you're lying. Either to me and everyone else, or worse, to yourself.

You're right, I cannot argue with you as you refuse to participate in meaningful discussion if you're so willing to dismiss any source that does not adhere to your fantasy of evil governments and Marxist health agencies.

I apologize for wasting both our times.

I sincerely hope your wife does not end up in the ICU just because you refuse to wear a mask.

"When you claim the CDC is "nothing more than a mouthpiece for the left and their Marxist agenda," and then claim it had "very little" to do with your decision to take it; then on some level you're lying."

Nope. Didn't read the rest of you comment. Bye.