Nobody is forcing me to do anything

Can't justify that.

Internet truth powerful. Been sending some memes to fam. E.g. sums up our role vis a vis election: imgflip.com/i/54rape

No we just do research.

So Loki... We're over half a million deaths in now.... and I was curious about where your research has led you so far.

Would you say covid is equally bad, worse, or not as bad as the seasonal flu?

Research has led the world to learn that vaccines prevent deadly illnesses. Anyone who doesn’t know this in 2021 can’t be helped.

If I remember correctly, the user above who is talking about doing "research" was still claiming well into 200,000 deaths that covid was not as bad as the seasonal flu.... I'm curious if they have changed their position on that.

I know. This fact will not be a fact until we have final valid numbers a few years down the line. Pneumonia kills lots of people every year, too. Unfortunately we won’t have the numbers until 2022 or 2023.

Covid cured the flu and cured pneumonia! Were so lucky it came along. Its a miracle!

Yup! Be sure to send a thank you note to Joe Biden for making America safe again. He is the only one who can!
:)

I used to think anti vaxxers were morons. Then I did do the research.

All I found was one good study. Between home-schooled kids who got all vaxes and home-schooled who skipped all but measles, controlling for what variables they could. It showed massive increases in various medical problems for the ones who got vax, incl yes *autism*, and worst change was 39 times as likely to get allergic rhinitis.

Bullshit. Autism is not linked to any vaccines. You are born with it. It cannot be acquired after birth. That is absolutely bullshit. It’s possible there’s an environmental factor, but science has absolutely eliminate vaccines as a factor. Period. Any studies you are relying on are fake bullshit.

MemeSpirited,
Im sorry Sir but you have been lied to. The comment you just made is one I myself couldve made a couple years ago. Then I dug in and looked for these studies that dont exist. Learned about the blanket immunity law gives for vaccines. Etc.

Think a bit about why you believe that. This 2:30 video summarizes (doesnt prove) the truth. My only hope is that it allows you to question what the msm conglomerate is forcing on you at every turn. Good luck best wishes.

1986 Act, vaccination is the ONLY American industry with 100% blanket immunity from liability of every kind (now why would that be needed or allowed):
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Wm9VxVpkGNMz/
(Btw the age 0-2 vax schedule webt from 4 vaccines to 47 they get today. That’s Robert Kennedy Jr. in the video)

I hate to break the news to you, but that video is fiction. First and foremost, IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THERE IS NO RIGHT TO SUE ANY VACCINE MANUFACTURER, SELLER, DISTRIBUTOR OR ANY PARTY THAT PUT THE VACCINE INTO THE STREAM OF COMMERCE FOR INJURIES CAUSED BY VACCINES. No one can sue a vaccine maker if they die from a vaccine, so the idea that big pharmaceutical companies did cost benefit analysis is comical. By the laws of the United States of America, they would never have to do that because they are already immune from liability. The Federal government has an agency that handles this because vaccines are necessary for the health and welfare of all Americans.

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html

The video you linked is so far off it is a comedy. So, no, the vaccine companies never even had to worry about how much it would cost if they get sued for injuring and killing people.

The video mentions the compensation program out of context and points to NOTHING to support the claim that children began getting compensated in “great numbers.” Because that never happened.

Wikipedia has a good table of how many people were compensated

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program#National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act

The rate of injury is 1.2 per million vaccines. As of now, the Covid vaccine is safer than other vaccines, overall. Less than 1.2 people per million have been injured by it.

This is not my opinion. This is all facts. These morons making those stupid videos like the one you linked are the problem.

F**king bullshit. Your arguing point is even that there was one study, likely a joke.

"no we just look up, go to page 52 of google results, and find a joke article agreeing with us"

same thing

Exactly, we do: https://youtu.be/IfnJi7yLKgE?t=3120 one minute clip 52 to 53:00

That is beside the point. My medical decisions belong to me (My body, my choice). That includes the right to make the wrong decisions.
I did get the vaccine (J&J) but have zero right to force it onto anyone else.

I don’t think that is accurate. People can be forced to get vaccinated.

And you think that's okay?
Then we should force women to continue unwanted pregnancies, to save the childs life.
And how about forced sterilizations, for population control.
And everyone should be forced onto sedatives, to control violence.
Forced blood, bone marrow, or kidney donations?
After all, if we can force medical decisions onto individuals based on a "public interest" it can be used to justify any number of things.

Vaccines are necessary. I’m not saying the other things are. But, for example, forcing people to get vaccinated if they want to go to school is good policy.

A lot of things that would be "good policy" trample on individual rights. The question is, where's the line?

You are the greatest moron, quite possibly ever to live.

If you get the vaccine, you statistically have zero likelihood of dying after later being infected. So far only 3 fully vaccinated people died after getting Covid. From a group of 264 in Michigan. All 264 got Covid after being fully vaccinated. No one knows why yet. But likely a bad batch of vaccines or one that was mishandled. I get shot 2 next week.

But what about the 255+ people who died after getting the vaccination shot? Why does the media never report in this?

264 got infected afterwards. Only 3 died.

No one has died from getting this vaccine. If you think people does from the vaccine, your in the fake news.

Epochtimes

and a karen

Get a dictionary. A Karen is someone that gets into your business. Getting a vaccine is my business.

get a life. A karen is you because u went into my buisness

I don't think he said you should/could not get the vaccine if you want to.

Do as you please.

Exactly. You want to get the gene therapy vaccine. Go right ahead. I'm just informing you about it.

Why is gene therapy bad? Though this is not really gene therapy.

And lower than a libturd! But I do not support forcing anyone even though they are self centered uninformed POS!

We are more informed. We understand they tried to pass this vaccine tech through the normal approval process and it failed. We also understand that it is an untested experimental gene therapy. We also understand that no one can be held liable if you are damaged or killed.
Its about doing the research.

No one can ever be liable for vaccine injuries. There is a federal fund to handle that. I worked with vaccine injuries in the past. The rate of injury is so minuscule, it is mathematically insignificant to the point that it almost never happens. It is literally the least likely thing to ever injure a person. You are more likely to choke to death eating than get any injury from a vaccine.

https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/vaccine-injury-table.pdf

Finally, I’m glad I’m not the only one trying to school these anti-vaxxers. It’s an uphill battle. They don’t want to be informed.

They are morons. They are caught up in conspiracy theories that are not based in reality. I, myself, believe a lot of the conspiracies—including the fact that it came from a lab and that Fauchi personally sent millions of dollars to the Wuhan lab to develop exactly this type of virus for vaccine research (because it is validly documented that he did he did). But even so, the vaccines themselves are not dangerous. The virus is still real and killing hundreds of thousands of people. Once that happens, it doesn’t matter anymore, we still need to get the vaccine to get rid of the virus. These people are idiots. If a deadly virus is out there you get the vaccine.

MemeSpir Ok I see you know a little already. This ONE MINUTE section of the debate between Alan Dershowitz should clear it up:

https://youtu.be/IfnJi7yLKgE?t=3120

From 52:00 to 53:00

No way. These people who make these claims could easily bring whistleblower cases and win millions. It would never work like this in America.

1986 Act: Vax companies are the ONLY industry in America with 100% blanket immunity from all liability by law.

1987 - 1999. Vaccines grow from five doses from age 0 to 2,

to 75 doses of 16 different vaccines.

What’s your point? They are immune and we get a lot of vaccines. That’s bad just because it is? You aren’t even making a point. You’re not even saying vaccines are dangerous. Because they aren’t. These are just hanging propositions. You would absolutely have a point if vaccines were killing as many people per year as Covid-19, but they aren’t. They aren’t even killing as many people in total between today and the date the first vaccine was administered in the United States. Not even close.

And America has been infiltrated by neomarxists. Ten percent of Americans now SELF-identify as “far-left activists”, compared to 0.1% far right. Whiteness studies departments at universities pump them out, other indoctrination. Esp in media. (Neomarxism is about race not class)

What does that have to do with vaccine safety?

One of my friend had both of his parents die from it. My Sister and niece had a bad case but fortunately did not die. I stand by my statement that ANYONE that does not get the shot is a uninformed POS lower than a Libturd in my book! and that is LOW!!! Ok how is it gene therapy? explain that since I am uninformed. I am willing to see if you enlighten me on this. Sounds idiotic on the face of it. But hey a bomb the size of a paperclip could blow up NYC if it was antimatter and i could explain that but people do not believe that. LOL

I had an uncle die, a friend die and a neighbor die of it. Others had it, including 2 people I work with, which causes me to say I had it because they got sick from me. These idiots against the vaccine deserve to die, once they start seeing people die from it they’ll change their tune. I though Covid was fake news, too. At first.

I'm pretty sure just about nobody is "against the vaccine" (if someone wants to get it more power to them). I'm also pretty sure lots of people would be against being forced to get the vaccine. The more power you put in the government's hands, the more likely a corrupt official will do something horrible.

Just about nobody thinks Covid is fake. Lots of people (including myself) think its numbers were inflated (whether a little or a lot).

"These idiots against the vaccine deserve to die..."
So really you don't care about lives, you care about an agenda/compliance to a standard...

No. When people are so zealous about their cause that they would fight to keep a deadly virus out in the wild, they are not worthy of living anymore. I have no agenda. Vaccines work. Period. They are not dangerous. The claims that they are are just made up. The day you can point to as many people that I know who died from Covid that got injured by a vaccine—I will join the anti vaxxers.

If it's not about lives, just the lives you think deserve to exist, then yeah, it is about an agenda.

Blind acceptance isn't the best option. It's just as radical as saying the vaccines are all (insert one of the more outlandish theories here).

My case of Covid was less noticeable than my mild allergies, yet I tested positive. I stayed home for my time and that was that.

I don't think I need the vaccine, but I'm okay with it and people who want to get it as long as it's not forced upon me; the average citizen. Nursing home workers? Sure. Require it for that job. That's a lot of high risk people all in one place. But once you make giving ridiculous (freedom restricting) power to the government okay just because of a health crisis, how long is it before some extremist politician manufactures a health crisis for the pursuit of power? Such people are inevitable, and you have to refuse them that power. An ounce of prevention is just as important for corrupt government as it is for Covid. In fact more important, because it would have much more longstanding effects than Covid (as terrible as it's been having it around).

You said just because of a health crisis? There are only a few times this type of restriction is acceptable, some of them are times of war, natural disasters and health crises. Yes, this came at a bad times—but mask mandates and closures are necessary.

As far as how long before a health crisis is manufactured, this crisis was most likely manufactured in a virus laboratory in China that was partially funded by the US. That is still irrelevant to the need to wear masks, prevent gatherings and to get vaccinated. Just look at it like this, if we were in a war—it was manufactured by politicians. That wouldn’t mean the best thing to do is to walk out onto the battlefield naked. You’ll just get shot and die. This is no different.

Bandaid over a wound that doesn't exist.

Like I said. I don't need the vaccine. I'm low risk, and my case was so mild my allergies are worse.

Funny enough, I play Basketball occasionally. The only time in public (indoors) I haven't worn a mask is when I've played Basketball. I was fine after months of playing maskless. The only time I've had Covid was during a few months that I didn't play any Basketball, thus I always wore my mask those months. Sure I still wore the "bandaid" because the government said to, but it really makes you wonder how effective it is.

Well someone I work with tested positive yesterday. The only person I work with that never wears a mask and wouldnt get the vaccine. I got tested and was negative last night. But I'm pretty sure I already had it, because I got a cold from someone at work that just came back on the last cruise before they quarantined all cruises. I gave that cold to two other people in the office. By the time i was better, they tested positive. So i'm pretty sure i had it and it was not bad. I didnt have a fever or anything. And I couldnt taste anything for about 4 or 5 days. But then in less than a week i was fine. Still getting the second shot next week.

I guess you would be okay if a bunch of police broke into someone's house, ran them down, tackled them, and injected them while suppressing any struggle. That's what a mandatory vaccine could bring. That's not freedom.

No I am not in favor of that. Not at all. That’s almost what we’ve done in the Middle East for the past 20 years. I am against US officials breaking into houses there. And I am against them doing it here.

If the government is evil, they shouldn't be given the power (which would last into the future) to force people to get injections.

Well, unfortunately, that’s not how it works. We will always be at the mercy of the government when it comes to vaccines. But in this case, every single government is vaccinating itself first. That should say enough.

Not quite as black and white as that. Different things like timing and variance in that sample of the virus make it less clear cut than you would think.

It’s hard to say since Covid vaccines were rushed to market. I can see not forcing people to get an unapproved vaccine, but once it gets full approval, my opinion on that changes.

Well, the government can't legally force people to get the vaccine. I'd like to keep it that way. Like I said, if people want to get it, fine.

Yes, it can. And it should.

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/mandatory-vaccination-legal-time-epidemic/2006-04

Once you take away the freedom to reject injections, you can't know if a politician won't use that for really bad purposes.

Actually mathematical, i exaggerate, Covid is 187 times worse than Polio.

But what type of purpose would that be? And why would you resist when millions of people across the entire planet have died from this disease? No one question the polio vaccine when polio only affected 15,000 people per year. The worst year for polio caused about 3,000 deaths. Covid is like 15,000 times worse than polio. I don’t get your irrational claim about bad purposes. This is a very deadly illness.

Good for you! If you want the shot, I have no business (nor any desire) trying to stop you doing that. All I want is that nobody force me to get one.

You should get it. Vaccines are safe. And seriously, anyone injured by a vaccine was someone that would’ve died if they got whatever the vaccine is for.

"And seriously, anyone injured by a vaccine was someone that would’ve died if they got whatever the vaccine is for."

That's assuming they get a bad enough case to be one of the small % of fatalities.

I’m not saying there is a large % of fatalities. But a person that gets injured by a vaccine would die if they get the disease. If you get injured by the measels vaccine, you’d die if you got the measels. If you get injured by the Covid vaccine, you’d die if you got Covid.

How could they force a person to get a vaccine if said person was in his house? They would have to break in. It's either okay or it's not.

So you don't think everyone should be mandated to get the vaccine.

I think everyone should be mandated to get it once it is fully approved. But I also think everyone should have the sense to get it without being mandated.

If everyone is mandated you'll have people that are staying in their houses. To get to them you would have to break into their homes.

Because do you agree people in power will use that power for wrong more likely than not?

For some reason, I am unable to reply to "MemeSpirited", but I would like to put it out there that that person is a fool.

I believe public corruption is currently the biggest problem in the United States. Because there is so much corruption, people will risk their lives and not get a vaccine that works, because they don’t trust the government. Literally, half of all Americans don’t want the vaccine. The only reason, is because they dont trust the government. I don’t trust the government either. But the vaccine is safe and it definitely works. I don’t believe that every government in the world and every news media outlet in the entire world are lying to us about the vaccine. But our government, at this point, is as corrupt and evil as any enemy the United States has ever faced in its history. America has become its own worst enemy. This is why people will not get the vaccine.

How did they die? Did they get taken to the hospital and get "ventilation" because if they did it wasn't covid that killed them. It was the doctors that blew their lungs out.
Gene therapy: The vaccine contains a virus that injects mRNA into the cells, which take them over and force them to produce covid virus spikes. These spikes are made of the same proteins that placenta is made of. The immune system identifies these proteins as invaders and attacks them wherever they are found. So if a pregnant woman gets the vaccine, its an instant abortion. There are many other cells in the body that are made of these same proteins so when you get the vaccine the body's immune system facts and attacks them causing an allergic reaction which can kill you.

That is some tin foil hat BS right there my friend, Here is actual medical advice, Reproductive Health
It's safe to become pregnant after vaccination. If you are trying to become pregnant, you do not need to avoid pregnancy after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.
The pandemic is not causing a change in fertility patterns. There is no evidence that any of the COVID-19 vaccines cause fertility problems or early pregnancy loss.
Unvaccinated pregnant women have an increased risk of severe illness due to COVID-19. If you become sick with the virus while pregnant, your chances of needing intensive care and a ventilator are higher. This can put your unborn child at higher risk for a preterm birth. Risks are even greater for pregnant women of color.
“It’s worth remembering vaccines are nothing new in prenatal care. Historically, vaccines have contributed to women’s health and successful pregnancies,” says Courtland Keteyian, M.D. “Pregnant women are routinely vaccinated against seasonal flu and whooping cough.” https://www.henryford.com/blog/2021/03/covid-vaccines-and-fertility And for the most part I am very conservative, I still believe it is a right to refuse a vaccine. Just some POS worst than choosing to be a libturd choice.

Then you must be pretty pissed that msm and fauci suppressed hqq and other effective treatments in real time.

Except they didn’t.

You must have slept through it, or been watching Communist Newspeak Net.

Wow, did you make that all up yourself? Or did you copy it from a website that made it up based on fake studies?

HAHAHAHA this idiot thinks a ventilator blows your lungs out. Do you think you were dropped off by an alien named tim? And that the Giza pyramids were built by zombies? Or maybe the Earth is flat.

Skip down to the last section: https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/ventilators-covid-19

Eye witness testimony: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8262351/Nurse-New-York-claims-city-killing-COVID-19-patients-putting-ventilators.html

Doctor explains: https://time.com/5820556/ventilators-covid-19/

I agree. I am a liberal and I don't give a shit that you're a republican. You're right.

The only part you are correct about is that you are uninformed. You can add brainwashed.

I have Aspergers. I am vaccinated. If there is a connection, it's worth it. I haven't died an excruciatingly painful death from polio or measles, writhing in pain. So just stop spreading fake news. Even Fox News supports vaccines.

Wow. No. Polio was defeated by treating sewage (which used to just be pumped into the same rives that we got our drinking water from).
If you are healthy and get measles when you are a child you don't die from it. You gain a lifelong immunity. If you take the vaccine you have to get boosters every few years and when a slightly different strain comes along (like say the South American strain) you can still die from it.