If you have to ask permission or justify your reason to exercise a right then you are being oppressed.

For me it's the knowledge that the government won't become a total police state as long as I have them.

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I think the only thing we need is common sense. Too few people have it!

Exactly

I carry a gun because it's too heavy to carry a police officer

LOL!!! Thanks for that, I needed it.

Good meme. I agree. Remember that little old thing called the War for Independence? (Or Revolutionary War or whatever you want to call it.) The soldiers were kinda just ordinary people with guns.

They were. The founding fathers didn't want a standing army. They thought that the people would volunteer on their own to defend their liberty.

Just imagine their (founding fathers') reactions if they saw America today. X(

They would be very disappointed and sad. They also would not even recognize the government they established. They would take one look and wonder why they even bothered declaring independence from England.

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The right has an asymptotic relationship with the point.

Rosa Parks "needed" to sit in the front of the bus, because she was "famous" enough, and no one cared when Claudette Colvin did it.

tell that to the school shooters

There wouldn't be any school shooters if teachers were allowed to arm themselves. Instead, what does the left recommend that teachers do in the event of a school shooting? That the teachers get all of the kids to huddle in a corner with him or her shielding the children with their body. In other words they make it like shooting fish in a barrel.

F-ing ridiculous.

Why is that a foreign concept to you?

and all the students were armed too K-12

riiight.

**Bang bang bang**
Teacher: omg a school shooter quickly kids put on your flashing target vests and huddle into the largest group possible

Have you seen the training videos. I have.

so a teacher shooting their student is better than making it harder for the student to access a gun?

How are you ever going to make it harder for a student to get a gun? How many laws do you have to pass before you realize that criminals don't obey laws? If kids can't steal guns they can get them on the black market.

You can pass a million laws but that won't change anything. And supposed you do get the guns out of the hands of kids. Then what? The worst school disaster happened in the 1920's when some disgruntled janitor set a school on fire while school was in session. More kids died in that event than any school shooting.

The point is evil people will find a way to kill. Taking guns away from the law abiding citizens will not stop that. Look how ridiculous London, England got. The banned all firearms and when that didn't stop the killing they banned all knifes. What will the ban after they realize that isn't going to stop murders? Rocks? Cricket bats? Hammers? Matches? Hands? Feet? People?

Now you're getting it.

Guess where all the Mexican drug cartels get their guns?

From Obama.

LOL

an automatic rifle can kill more people in a minute than any of those items can kill in 10.

It is extremely hard to purchase an automatic rifle in America. Plus they are cost prohibitive for all but the rich. No automatic rifle has been used in the commission of a crime since the prohibition era when they were virtually outlawed. Not one.

Plus you aren't as effective as you would think with an automatic rifle. It will never be one bullet per victim unless you have everyone bunched together in a group. That's why in the military they fire short burst of about 3 or 4 rounds. Anything else is a wasted of ammunition. TV and movies lie to you. They show guys firing non-stop and taking out everyone because it has more action and shows better in movies. But that is not real life, not even close. Movies and TV don't take into consideration the recoil of the weapon and reacquiring your target after the recoil of each bullet.

Now if you are talking about semi-automatic rifles (which many on the left don't realize is not the same thing as an automatic) then you are reducing your fire capacity. A semi-automatic fires one bullet per trigger pull. The most widely owned semi-automatic rifle is the AR-15 which fires a .223 caliber round or a NATO 5.56x45mm round. They are roughly the same bullet. That round is significantly smaller than most hunting rounds which is why many people say you can't go hunting with an AR-15. Well, you can and many people do but typically for smaller game than deer. The NATO 5.56x45mm round was introduced to the world's military with one purpose in mind. To reduce the number of casualties in war. Higher caliber ammo is more deadly. Ammo is measured in inches or millimeters diameter. A .223 round is .223 of an inch in diameter or .003 of an inch larger than a regular old .22 rifle, like the rifle my dad bought me when I was 14.

After far as knives go there is a 22 foot rule that applies. If you have a holstered firearm that is easily accessible (i.e. not concealed) and a guy comes at you with a knife then they have to be at a minimum of 22 feet away in order for you to draw your firearm, aim and shoot. If the guy is closer, which nearly 100% of the time he is, then your firearm is just decoration.

I saw a video a few years ago on YouTube of a guy in a foreign country take out about 6 or 7 armed police officers with a knife. One advantage a knife has over a firearm is that the knife is always dangerous whereas a firearm is only dangerous when firearm is loaded, a bullet is chambered and the trigger is pulled.

No mass fully automatic shootings have occurred since laws were passed banning fully automatic rifles? That argument doesn't help your case because if the laws worked so well for that why wouldn't they work for semi auto?

Additionally I'm just gonna leave this here for you then to contemplate how easily and cheaply a semi auto ar is made into a full auto rifle with just one word: BUMP STOCK.

His arsenal of weapons, associated equipment and ammunition included fourteen AR-15 rifles (all of which were equipped with bump stocks and twelve of which had 100-round magazines), eight AR-10-type rifles, a bolt-action rifle, and a revolver.[20] A bump stock modifies a semi-automatic weapon so that it can shoot in rapid succession, mimicking automatic fire.[4] On September 30, he placed "Do not disturb" signs on the doors of both hotel rooms.[19]

Jessica. I'm sorry but I can't have a conversation with you. There are just basic facts that you do not understand. Like fully automatic firearms were banned in 1934. To say they no mass shooting has happened after they were banned is to ignore all of the mass shootings that have happened since then. Look it up. It was called the National Firearm Act. The NFA was an typical Democrat over reaction to Al Capone, Bugsy Malone, John Derringer, Bonnie and Clyde and the rest of those outlaws from that era.

Did you know that you can hold a semi-automatic rifle a certain way can accomplish the exact same thing as a bump stock. You can ban the bump stock but if you know how to do you don't need one. I don't know how hold a rifle that way. The ONLY time a bump stock has ever been used in a mass shooting was Las Vegas. Just one time. Here is another thing you don't know about bump stocks, they make firing a rifle very inaccurate. If you are aiming at a specific target then chance are you probably won't ever hit it. That is why the idiot is Vegas used it. He wasn't aiming at a specific target. He didn't care who he hit.

Did you know that the worst mass killing event in the United States took place in the 1920's? Not a single bullet was fired. It was a disgruntled janitor who set a school on fire while it was in session.

It was never about the guns. Guns are just 1 tool of many tools that people can use to kill people. If you want to stop people from killing people then taking guns away isn't going to stop anything. Psychopaths have a need to murder and they will look for anything they can to accomplish that. If you take guns away from the law abiding people (the 99.99999% of the people who own guns and will never commit a crime with them) then all you are doing is painting a great big bullseye on their backs for psychopaths to kill.

Did you know the Aurora, Colorado theater shooter passed 2 other theaters before arriving at the movie theater where he killed 12 people and injured 70. Do you know why he went to that theater and not the others? That theater had a no firearm policy. The others did not. He didn't want someone shooting back at him.

Well.... I'm wasting my time. Your not interested in the truth. You just want to spout more nonsense, so I'll shut up now.

What are you even talking about? I don't think any of the school shooters were registered gun owners themselves. What does a teacher having a gun have to do with a school shooter having access to guns? At 13-14 I had a small armory under my mattress and I didn't aqquire any of them legally (obviously being 14)

porn mags?

I kept the porn Mags in my top drawer lol :p

No guns, lots of em

And yes a teacher shooting one student would be far less tragic than one student shooting 67 students/classmates

Clearly all kids from K-12th grade need guns. More guns is always the answer.
Wait, what was the question again?

The schools used have shooting teams on campuses around the country. Why do you suppose that they used to not just let kids bring guns to school but they even sponsored shooting clubs like we do football teams? And yet there weren't any school shootings back then? Why is that?

Shouldn't we pursue a course of action that would bring this nation back to where we could allow students to bring guns to school without fear of them going off and shooting up everyone?

It cannot be done with laws. This is something the government cannot directly do.

If I were in the school with my conceal carry .44 magnum I wouldn't have to worry about a school shooter. Lucky for me and the rest of the would be victims I know how to shoot it and hit my target. Your so called moral compass doesn't sway anyone but the week minded idiot who thinks the same way as you.

and what happens when you accidentally shoot a student that forgot to tell the school they were gonna be late?

That's the thing. How many disgruntled teachers will be shooting kids for whatever reason? It's the DUMBEST idea.

You don't just shoot everybody who comes into the school, besides in most lockdown situations typically they will turn the lights off and if the kid is stupid enough to walk into school while nobody is in the halls, and the lights are off then they get shot or stabbed, it's their fault.

I don't know about you, but when the school is looking extremely desolate my first instinct isn't to run in like an idiot.

What are you? A baby lefty? First off to properly virtue signal you should have said say that to the victims of school shootings. Secondly, you should actually try to argue from a place of intelligence, instead of feelings, like a big kid.

"Secondly, you should actually try to argue from a place of intelligence, instead of feelings, like a big kid."

why? so I become all cold and heartless like y'all?

No so you can be compassionate for the most people for the longest time. So you can understand liberty is what creates countries where people are free to be who they want to be and countries that put the common good and feeling first end up putting people they are jealous of in gulags, reeducation camps and stoves.

not being allowed to own a fully automatic rifle isn't getting your rights taken away.

It exactly is just that. Congress shall make no law.

Tell that to people that stop shootings.