Since no network would air this, you probably missed it.

The most true thing I've ever heard

(Besides the bible)

Amen!

Amen!

I'm a Jewish Republican; this is the only thing that bothers me about Christian Republicans -- they always enforce THEIR beliefs.

"Enforce"? "Proclaim" I'd say. Anyway, what could be more Jewish than becoming a follower of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua? Worth investigating anyway? Matthew's Gospel is a good place to start. Happy Hanukkah.

Jeez, what the heck? You claim you're not enforcing anything but then immediately proceed to tell me to "investigate" Christian beliefs so that I will follow them. Yeah, I actually did investigate, & last time I checked, there's no evidence to prove Jesus was even crucified. You can think what you want, but don't enforce it on me.

"Anyway, what could be more Jewish than becoming a follower of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua? Worth investigating anyway? Matthew's Gospel is a good place to start. Happy Hanukkah."

What on earth are you talking about? If you don't agree with what he says, just ignore them. He's not forcing you to celebrate Christmas or anything.

Remember, the right to swing your fist ends where the next nose begins. Publicly celebrating perhaps the most important holiday in their Faith does not make a Christian a tyrant imposing his beliefs on others.

Hey, we all know they do. & just look at what Marhew said lol.

What he says has no bearing on our discussion. My point stands: You can't decry a Christian President for publicly expressing his beliefs. If a Jewish President wished America a happy Hanukkah, don't you think you'd feel a bit miffed if Christians started complaining that he was forcing his beliefs upon him? Of course you would.

Saying Jesus "is" a savior is stating it as fact. Also, no, I'm complaining in general about Christians doing this; this is a lesser instance of it but it still brings me back to a lot of times I can point out of Christians enforcing Christianity.

Yes, he's stating it as fact because it's what we Christians believe. Given 90% or so of Americans are Christian, you really shouldn't complain that there are too many Christians celebrating their beliefs in public. One of the core tenants of the U.S is that we want all religions to safely express their views without fear of retribution or oppression. What you see as 'enforcing' is actually people utilizing the rights shared by all. It's the same right that lets you denounce the Christian belief that the savior has already come.

Does that make sense to you?

I said in general Christians do it too much with too much emphasis. This meme may be a lesser example, but it still leads to it.

How is emphatically believing and sharing your Faith a bad thing?

"'Enforce'? 'Proclaim' I'd say. Anyway, what could be more Jewish than becoming a follower of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua? Worth investigating anyway? Matthew's Gospel is a good place to start. Happy Hanukkah."

"Sorry the evidence is overwhelming. You should look into it yourself."

Yes, just "emphatically believing & sharing your faith."

I think this is the last comment on the chain, so I'll try to clarify a few things:

- Those folks you quoted do not speak for me. Unless you subscribe to the view that all followers of something are the same then I'm saddened that you can't seem to ignore them and focus on our discussion.

- You seem to be of the opinion that we shouldn't allow anyone to speak religious views unless they align with your own. While I have no problem with you believing something different than me, I DO have an issue with people who can't abide others expressing their own views. Note that this applies to people who would try to subvert or suppress your own views, so it's quite the double-edged principle.

I know they do not speak for you, but you said they are just "emphatically believing & sharing your faith." That's simply false. While I do think everyone can say what they want, Christians in GENERAL, especially the ones who I quoted, enforce their beliefs too strictly.

Sorry the evidence is overwhelming. You should look into it yourself.

Really? Because there's no evidence Jesus was even crucified, which completely defeats the whole meaning behind your religion.

Uh no. Please go read up on the evidence of Jesus outside the bible. The miracles, crucifixion and missing body were well known at the time.

False.

Fake news Vadge. Why do you keep spreading it?

False.

By whom? We have no evidence. There is no evidence he was even crucified. You're one of those idiots with white perception of him, too, eh? That says enough. You're lucky I'm not saying he didn't exist, either.

https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence

"Mad_Memer 0 ups, 18h

I can't think of one at the top of my head but I've researched on this in the past."

AKA you have no idea what you're pretending to babble about, nor can you think.

And I don't do links STILL still, for REAL real.

You got a whole bunch of all CAPS wall of text rants deleted by stream mods yesterday, and you're complaining when I didn't even use any.

Bad BiBiBot, Bad.

No, not blind at all

"Mad_Memer 0 ups, 18h

I can't think of one at the top of my head but I've researched on this in the past."

And I don't do links STILL.

You got a whole bunch of all CAPS wall of text rants deleted yesterday, and you're complaining when I didn't even use any.

Lay off the crack, hun.

Look at the motherf**king photo, Libtard. Didn't delete a f**king thing to help my case. The only reason I delete comments are if they have a mistake (whether it's grammatical or not).

Doesn't mean false.

''scientists themselves at least agree that the event HAPPENED.''

No, they do not STILL.

''We just don't have scientific evidence to prove some of the details, like that, again, it covered the whole earth.''

We don't have any at all.
Shocker, I know.

''It definitely is somewhat metaphorical, as with many stories from the Bible/Torah,''

AKA, Babylonian

''but, again, most scientists at least agree that it HAPPENED.''

False.

We actually do. Search it up.

I didn't say it's unfactual to not believe in God, but you can't call it fictional (ACTUALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AVRAHAM & NOAH). Biblical, it's called.

Search up the meaning of "literally"; it doesn't "literally" say "there was a global flood" or "a huge boat that had a bunch of animals on it from all over the planet." Only an atheist will phrase it like that. It is also somewhat metaphorical, obviously. I seriously doubt you looked at anything the scientists had to say. "It's just not there." You didn't even take the time to search. But I did.

https://ncse.ngo/yes-noahs-flood-may-have-happened-not-over-whole-earth

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/noah-s-ark-myth-has-evidence-of-great-flood-1.386181

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/4/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/#close

Yes, they do. I actually READ the articles, & they said they agree it at least happened.

Says a Godless Liberal lol.

There is moderately-sufficient archeological & historical evidence of many of these people & events. Additionally, there are impossibilities within physics. I guess you can call it "stupid" to say that means there's definitely a God up there, but come on -- nothing else explains these impossibilities ...

I can't think of one at the top of my head but I've researched on this in the past.

You can't exactly call them factual, but not fake. Biblical.

What says it's false?

Why did you say "Just because you can't think of another explanation doesn't mean a God did it?" Just to make my argument sound absurd? It's not ME; it's the most bright scientists out there. No explanations. STILL. This isn't 1500 anymore. Still no explanations. Also, you put Noah's Ark like this: "There is absolutely zero archaeological evidence that there was a global flood or a huge boat that had a bunch of animals on it from all over the planet." You put it in an absurd-sounding light. Search "evidence of Noah's Ark." While it may be somewhat metaphorical (like the whole "earth-covering" thing), scientists themselves at least agree that the event HAPPENED. We just don't have scientific evidence to prove some of the details, like that, again, it covered the whole earth. It definitely is somewhat metaphorical, as with many stories from the Bible/Torah, but, again, most scientists at least agree that it HAPPENED.

You're just giving your opinions.

"No, it's not obvious that it's metaphorical."

"Yes, I did."

I actually listed articles.

Agreed.

Yeah, no kidding. You said what you said, whether a munute ago or a day ago.

Don't like getting quoted on it? Don't say it then, DONE.

That's your cheap ass excuse. You kept falsely claiming I had not provided links a day after I had already provided them. What a liar. What you say now is, again, just your cheap ass excuse.

No, you don't, hence why you ain't posted any.

Oh, and your English sucks., BiBiBot

Are you blind? I just posted the articles! Also, I've made no grammatical errors, so you're just an insecure liar. Also, no, don't go coming at me for using caps; that doesn't count. My writing/comprehension/vocabulary is gifted (I've taken BCEA/BCESC tests before), so shut the f**k up, mate.

Because many Biblical things sound exaggerated (such as the world being made in only a week).

Or under-exaggerated.

People also used to believe that the sun revolves around the earth.

Your Google Translate is broken, fella.
I. do. not. NOT. N-O-T. do. links. STILL.

Yeah, there is so much historical evidence, that if you think Jesus didn't exist, then you are throwing out every other historical figure of that time.
https://overwhelmingevidence.org/historicity-of-jesus-1

Not true. We have proof of people like Avraham & Noah. But do we have evidence of Jesus? No. You said the site would give proof; it didn't.

No evidence. It just said he died for people. The random, unknown site is obviously biased & it did not list any archeological evidence. It just went on shitty rants like, "They went to their deaths for this, without recanting. Would you die for a fictional someone that you yourself thought to be a hoax? Would you die for a lie?" Sure, sure, but somehow History, a well-reknowned source, listing evidence actually related to archeology rather than pure opinion, is wrong. No dice.

"Did the page list archeological evidence?

No."

If you base your history on archeological evidence you are going to be disappointed, most historical figures didn't leave archeological evidence other than texts mentioning them.

Read the title.

"Did Jesus the Man Even Exist?"

Many can agree he existed, but our argument is whether he was crucified or not.

Did the page list archeological evidence?

No.

There’s no evidence of the resurrection either. So, does that defeat the meaning behind both religions?

HAHAHA. It really doesn't. Only for Christianity. Judaism is essentially Christianity without Jesus & we use the OLD TESTAMENT & were founded way before. Jews don't believe in Jesus. It doesn't defeat our purpose that he wasn't crucified, then.

Abraham*

shhhh, shhhh, clam yourself down (see what I did there?)

ME Christian, you ain't.

ME on YOUR side, fella.

ME not do links.
ME can't be arsed to do YOUR homework for you if you're too lazy to do it on your own.

Ask anyone who knows about Judaism for REAL real and ask them about how related Christianity is to it. Start with Mithra, who was the template. Then look into Hare Krishna as well as the Hindu Triumvirate, then check out Horus.

You might also want to look up "Messiah" according to God's CHOSEN, and compare that to the prophecized theft and corruption of the Word by Son of Jackal, seated in Rome.

You are of the Chosen? Then stop playing into Constantine's game.

Enjoy.

"Judaism is essentially Christianity without Jesus"

Not at all. Christianity is a Roman blend of paganism which co-opted the Torah in name only. It bears more resemblance to Zoroastrianism, Egyptian, even Buddhism and Hinduism, than it does to Judaism.

"Many can agree he existed, but our argument is whether he was crucified or not."

The only ones who 'agree' Jesus existed are Christians.

"We have proof of people like Avraham & Noah."

No, we do not.

I don't care what you say about these random ass religions Christianity is "related" to. Don't be a technical assf**k. Christianity is Judaism but without Jesus, add some random people as prophets, & use the New Testament as opposed to the Old Testament.

Proof of Avraham: https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1348685/archaeology-news-bible-evidence-abraham-real-tel-dan-abrahams-gate-evg

Proof of Noah's Ark: https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

You don’t even know what the Jewish faith believes. Ya might want to learn your own religion before condemning Christians for what they believe.

WHAT THE F**K?! YOU'RE TELLING ME I DON'T KNOW HOW THE F**K JUDAISM WORKS?! I AM A MODERN ORTHODOX JEW! WE DON'T WORSHIP JESUS! HOW THE F**K STUPID ARE YOU?!

It is an opinion.

Ok look at this. There is no such thing as enforcing your beliefs because by saying that, you are therefore enforcing your beliefs on me. I’m a Christian. If my worldview is correct, you are enforcing your beliefs on me. If your worldview correct, I’m enforcing my beliefs on you. You can’t just not enforce beliefs. The person before me is right. He is proclaiming

Proclaim & enforce are different, very different.

"The most important holiday in their Faith does not make a Christian a tyrant imposing his beliefs on others".

Are you sure?
Dec. 25th. A date that just happens to coincide with the Roman Pagan holidays and winter solstice, making it more likely to convert those people as early followers and put a damper on their own beliefs. When in fact 12/25 it is not likely the day Jesus was born. He was likely born later in the year. So beginning just 3 century's AD, Christians are already co-opting others beliefs to manipulate and push people toward Christianity.

Seems to me if the birth day was so important, they could at least pick a closer matched day. Besides, his birth should not be the most important day anyway. Easter should be.

He couldn't have died for our sins without being born, so it's fair to say both are equally important. :)

As for the rest of your claims, well, you're travelling one track of a well-worn road.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/was-jesus-born-december-25th

It's nice to see a catholic magazine agree with me. Surprising.

His birthday is not equally important and your link states only sinners celebrated their birthdays.

The day he rose from the dead is the basis behind the Catholic faith and makes the religion. Without it, there is no Catholic faith.

Easter is easily the most significant day for sure, my sole point was that he couldn't have died without being born, therefore Christmas is an important day. As for only sinners celebrating birthdays? Well, Jesus was by definition not a sinner, therefore his birthday is important. We're unlikely to see Christmas change dates, which leaves us where we are now. :)

Look bro... Are you going to say Merry Christmas or not..?

Anything other than that is a "war on Christmas"!

;P

Neither; I just don't tolerate ...

"'Enforce'? 'Proclaim' I'd say. Anyway, what could be more Jewish than becoming a follower of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua? Worth investigating anyway? Matthew's Gospel is a good place to start. Happy Hanukkah."

"Sorry the evidence is overwhelming. You should look into it yourself."

Ok.

:P

Most Christians don’t feel Jews force their beliefs when they hear “Happy Hanukkah”.

I never said there is anything wrong with "Merry Christmas" or some shit! There's a problem with ...

"'Enforce'? 'Proclaim' I'd say. Anyway, what could be more Jewish than becoming a follower of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua? Worth investigating anyway? Matthew's Gospel is a good place to start. Happy Hanukkah."

"Sorry the evidence is overwhelming. You should look into it yourself."

My comment was in reference to:
“I'm a Jewish Republican; this is the only thing that bothers me about Christian Republicans -- they always enforce THEIR beliefs.”

So?!

So, why did you quote someone else in your comment?

Because you're saying Christians don't feel Jews enforce their beliefs when they say "Happy Hanukkah", implying that Jews shouldn't feel Christians enforce their beliefs when they say "Merry Christmas" or some shit. Meanwhile you're ignoring that these un-enforcing Christians said these:

"'Enforce'? 'Proclaim' I'd say. Anyway, what could be more Jewish than becoming a follower of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua? Worth investigating anyway? Matthew's Gospel is a good place to start. Happy Hanukkah."

"Sorry the evidence is overwhelming. You should look into it yourself."

An yet you make comments like “there's no evidence Jesus was even crucified”.
That’s pretty much enforcing YOUR beliefs. Don’t be a hypocrite.

Saying he wasn't crucified qualifies as an archeological belief, not a religious belief, so ...

Not even an archeological belief! An archeological fact!

Ok then, Christ’s crucifixion is a documented fact in addition to it being a religious belief.

The Bible contains documented evidence from people who witnessed Christ’s crucifixion. There is also archeological evidence that people at that time were indeed scourged and crucified.

It's a religious belief but not supported by evidence.

I was replying to, "Most Christians don't feel Jews force their beliefs when they hear 'Happy Hanukkah.'" Your point is redundant!

I've never had a Jew try to force their beliefs on me. Not once. Christians do it all the time and think nothing of it, believing everyone is like them. Also believing the U.S. was built as a Christian nation, which it was not.

I’ve never had a Christian try to force their beliefs on me either. You Christian haters think that if someone even mentions the name Jesus Christ, they are “forcing” their religion on you.

Happy Holidays

Thanks
Merry Christmas 🎄

What’s Christmas?

It’s a Happy Holiday

oh cool. well sounds nice.

That's how they getcha.