It's more inclusive, caring and compassionate.

We say black lives matter because all lives do matter, but black people aren't being treated that way. All lives matter was created by white people that felt uncomfortable that there was a movement against racism, so they created a movement for their own. Saying save the whales doesn't mean screw the fish, marching for womens' rights doesn't mean men are bad, etc. Don't be mad you didn't get a movement, be thankful you don't need one.

"but black people aren't being treated that way"

Daniel Shaver disagrees.

If you are referring to the women's march on Washington DC back in 2016, that was a joke. The leader, Linda Sarsour, is a big time advocate of Sharia Law. Islamic women are beaten, abused, tortured, and executed under Sharia law. It is disgraceful that a movement for women's rights chose such a person to be their leader.

Another way to end racism would be by creating a unified mindset. Calling Americans Americans would be a start. It would be hard for groups to say the other has it better when everyone is American instead of pale or brown. But politicians care more about their votes gained by virtue signaling than they do national unity. So they will continue to divide Americans into minorities and communities based on skin color. When I see a brown person, I don't see a minority, I see an American. When I see a pale person, I don't see a majority, I see an American.

And don't misunderstand me, I am not saying blm is making things worse, I am blaming the politicians who piggy back on the people's desire for justice and equality.

Maybe that's what you meant, but that's not what you said. BLM excludes others in its name, and by doing that perpetuates the victim-villain dynamic in race relations. While there may well be Caucasians (for lack of a better term) who feel uncomfortable about an anti-racism movement, All Lives Matter is an attempt to be more inclusive.

Womens' rights marches often become man-bashing events. Focusing on one side of a dichotomy often creates negative sentiment for the other side.

Saying I do not support the BLM movement does not mean that I do not support equal treatment of African Americans under the law.

All lives matter has done nothing against racism. it tries to hide the fact that racism exists to this day. If ALM came before BLM, it would be different. But ALM is just their protest to our protest.

And did an all lives matter proponent tell you that or did you tell yourself that because it is easier than listening to what they have to say? And what has BLM actually done to fix racism? Not a thing.

BLM has organized protests against police brutality, and has helped get the officers that murdered George Floyd charged, has helped recognized juneteenth as a national holiday, and more.

The officers that killed floyd were already charged an arrested BEFORE the mass riots and protests started. Juneteenth has ALWAYS been a recognized holiday even if not a national one( I would know considering it is my birthday ), and "more" isn't an answer

That's not true. You are deliberately confusing cause and effect.

If all lives ACTUALLY mattered Black Lives Matter wouldn't exist.

Either they all do, or none do.

You make some excellent points, and articulate them perfectly. One of the key faults (or tools?) of the BLM name, is that it encompasses both the concept and the title of a Marxist group.

The very use of the chant "Black Lives Matter" invites problems if one expresses a protest against the GROUP that has titled itself with that slogan.. (just mentioning one issue that surrounds it)

... and ... we jump right back up into your salient comments, wash, rinse, repeat as it all folds in and over on itself like a Mobius strip!

Thank you. The Mobius strip is an excellent image to use as a metaphor for race relations in this country. I wish I had thought of it!

Make a meme! I'd be honored..

Well said!

What is all the money BLM gets used for? You know, the millions of dollars.

Raising one group of lives above others does not achieve equality. You can’t fight racism with racism. Asian lives, latino lives? No ethnic group has the same struggles? No other race is killed by police? Police brutality affects all races. Thats what “black lives” matter infers. Add the word “too” to the end and you have the same statement with a clearer description according to you definition, without elevating above the rest.

BLM doesn't put one race above others. Black males are killed by the police more than any other ethnicity. It's not saying only black people are being shot by the police, but they are the majority of victims of police brutality.

Wrong, whites are the majority of the victims of police brutality. Saying black lives matter is exclusionary and promotes one race above others. You will never achieve equality that way.

whites aren't the main victims of police brutality. They never were in america. Saying black lives matter doesn't mean other races don't matter. ALM doesn't try equality, it just denies that people aren't equal.

That’s absurd, saying black lives matter is non inclusive therefore it elevates the one above the others. Statistically more whites are victims of police brutality period. Those are facts. Likely more unarmed white people were killed than blacks in any year you can name. This is reasonable based on population percentages. Your assumption that blacks are singled out exclusively is incorrect. Police brutality is visited more often on socio economic status than race. Lower income people and neighborhoods suffer from more crime and receive more police attention and interaction. Blacks represent a larger percentage of the lower income and therefore are disproportionately represented in the police statistics. It’s more about economic status than race.

Yes actually they are. Police shoot far more whites every year than they shoot blacks. The problem is that blacks are a higher percentage than their percent of the overall population. Bit in raw numbers whites die more to cops than blacks. ALM is literally saying everyone is equal and all lives matter the same. YOU are putting meaning to it that the people behind it have nothing to do with. If I said that you were a racist dog without any evidence to back it up, that doesnt make it true. Same applies to your accusations against alm

Right- like more white people are on welfare and food stamps.

That’s true as well, based on overall numbers whites lead in incarceration as well. Its where you get to prercentage of population that the numbers are disproportionate.

Sure. Not sure what relevance that has to this conversation, but yes, that is true.

So......why aren't there protests against police brutality against whites?

Likely no media attention, maybe no one but their families cared. You wouldn’t, only if they were black right. Facts are facts more white people both armed and unarmed are killed by police. Police brutality affects Latinos as well or are we counting them as Caucasian’s today? You guys switch that around however best it fits your narrative.

You get pissed at people like me who put in a second opinion, when people say black lives matter their universal meaning is that everyone matters, that every soul deserves to exist. Are you that blind that you have to argue? To assume people mean that black lives are the only ones that matter? You are literally saying the same thing I'm saying that all lives are saying but you're stuck on the message that every matters.

Why are you stuck on BLM. Why can’t we all agree police brutality is an issue that needs to be addressed whether it is against whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians and native Americans. Not Being shot by the police when it can be avoided is the ideal outcome and skin color doesn’t matter. The exact same incidents occur where white, latino, Asian people are killed by police. So white people, Latinos and Asians don’t count as much as black people? The narrative is wrong you are the divisive one by demanding compliance to you exclusionary and racist statement. This is because you want to sell the systemic racism narrative. Yet the system is run by leftists in the most notorious examples. Minneapolis is damn near a communist commune of leftists. They have been in charge of that system for decades. If the system is racist. They are all racists.

I dunno, why haven't you protested it?

I don't know the exact statistics.

I agree with the BLM movement (at least conceptually) but I think you're wrong about that. They might be killed more relative to their percent of the population but I do not think black people are killed by police more than white people as far as raw numbers.

Agreed. All lives matter includes black children and babies murdered by thugs in the streets, a prevalent social disgrace that the BLM organization conveniently ignores.

Yeah But when people say Black Lives matter overall they mean all lives matter, no matter your ethnicity, race, and skin color. Anyways I'ma hit you with an upvote

So they don’t say what they mean?

No Actually they mean more than what they mean.

Ok because speaking plainly would be wrong?

Bro why do you have to disagree with everything I have to say, the overall message "Black Lives matter" Implies the fact that other lives matter too. Sure they could say it plainly but the statement Black Lives matter can do the same thing.

Yes because what you say is wrong. It’s not my fault you are not correct. If I’m saying my p**is is big doesn’t mean all p**is’s are big. If I say my p**is matters it doesn’t confer from that simple statement that all p**is’s matter. That should probably say penii.

You are correct with >"p**ises"<, I believe. Or possibly >"penes"<, though I have never heard this in actual usage. The English word comes from Latin, but does not use Latin endings. Latin has several words for the male part, though none to my knowledge are similar to p**is, unless you consider phallus. Penii uses a masculine plural - kind of redundant!

Then why the outrage whenever someone says all lives matter? If they mean the exact same thing the groups shouldn't be at odds with each other, right?

exactly

That's what I'm saying

Right

dont be upset we aren’t “including” you in our movement, be glad that you dont need to have a movement. blm exists because they are being oppressed because they are black, whereas white people are not. this doesn’t mean your life is less important, or that it is easier, it just means we need to focus on the black people. channel your anger into supporting this movement, not hating on it.

We all need to stop describing each other using terms from the Atlantic slave trade. "Black and "white need to go away.

You aren't wrong at all. I stopped using the term african american several years back for the same reason. If they weren't born in africa and they don't have a dual citizenship they're just americans. Same with mexican american etc. If you hold only one citizenship and it's to the USA then you don't get a hyphen. You're just American.

ok then what should i call people with darker skin? i mean i don’t think they’re offended by the term “black” and as long as the light skins don’t care either...

This is an excellent but unanswered question. If they choose to be called African Americans, what do we call "colorless Americans?" European doesn't fit well. Caucasian is just stupid. "White people" is becoming more and more stigmatized.

What if a fourth generation Australian or Moroccan emigrate to the US?

What should we call them? What do we want to be called? Maybe we should be asking why we're making a distinction at all, and what purpose it serves to continue to do so. Oh well may be correct in just calling them American.

ok if you’re butthurt about being called “white” go off my friend, but tbh i don’t believe people with darker skin care.

Butthurt? No. I think is useful to understand the mechanics of racism, in order to dismantle it. Is it not the indifference of lighter skin folks to the conditions of the lives of darker skin folks that is at issue here? Refusing to 'care' only perpetuates the problem. The Civil Rights Act was not passed because there was a majority of darker skinned folks in Congress who voted for it. Lighter skinned folks passed that law. Darker skinned folks need lighter skinned allies. We need to join together to fight against racism and racist people. That won't happen while we don't care about each other.

I'm a wordy bastard this morning, aren't I? That second cup of coffee may have been a mistake.

i was saying that darker skinned people don’t care about being called black so long as it’s not used as an insult. i agree with you though, racism shouldn’t be just the problem of those affected by it.

blacks are not the only race that's oppressed

name others?

That might depend on how you define oppression. Almost every ethnic group to come to the US has faced some form of discrimination and hatred. Yes, even "white people."

white people because they are white? no. white people are generally not hated because of their skin color, and if they are it’s not nearly as much as other minorities. I am aware of the oppression that others face, i’m east asian myself, but right now we need to focus on black people. It’s not that the others are inferior, it’s just that right now this is the biggest problem.

Many of the ethnicities now lumped into the category of "white" were not always considered "white." The Irish and the Italians are two notable examples, and both were mistreated in a way that would be considered unconscionable today. Asians too have been discriminated against in this country, especially the Chinese. I do not point this out to minimize the oppression of African Americans, but rather to emphasize that structural or systemic racism has been in place for centuries. Many different people of different colors and ethnicities have been victims of it, though none so egregiously as African Americans. There is hatred of "white people" today, mostly a stereotype that all people with that skin color are racist oppressive assholes. Some are.

I also think that it is important to point out that what is happening today is not the first chapter in US race relations, nor will it be the last.

Great points. BLM was an important step, but it needs to evolve into a much broader movement that is inclusive. And calling people black and white needs to stop.

That movement has to change its name from a group of Marxist, black superiority theorists who openly stated they wanted to destroy the family. Never gonna get support with those idiots leading.

Ah, the Jack Brewer talking point from the RNC. First, they never said destroy. Brewer did.

Second, the actual quote is this:

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable,"

Davin Phoenix, University of California - Political Scientist said it best:
""It is a call to disrupt the notion that the nuclear family structure is the only way to ensure neighborhood stability and vitality, and to affirm that neighborhoods that contain a high volume of non-traditional family structures (e.g. households with a single parent or grandparents / other familial figures as primary caregivers for kids) are just as capable of — and just as deserving of — policies and practices that contribute to neighborhood stability and vitality," he said."
True or False BLM wants to destroy the Nuclear Family:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives-matter-aim-destroy/

BLM About Us site, archived:
https://archive.is/oARH0

Right they are against individualism, private property ownership and all the other Marxist crap propaganda. They want to disrupt the nuclear family structure, not offer an alternative no matter how you sanitize it. They do not love America and are not patriotic they have vowed to tear down the system if they don’t get what they want. Why is that statement in the archives now and not on the facing page with the rest of the manifesto?

That's not at all what that passage is about. You're cherry-picking. You're also creating straw man arguments.

There is no hard proof that the violence is caused by BLM. Most of those claims actually come from the New York Post, a tabloid:
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200810/fact-checking-claim-about-deaths-damage-from-black-lives-matter-protests

There are, however, instances where the flares of violence and rioting points to right-wing extremists known as accelerationists who are believed to be instigating the violence:
https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/06/02/riots-white-supremacy-and-accelerationism/

BLM and many of its leaders have always called for an end to the violence:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-shooting-black-lives-matter-leaders-respond/
https://time.com/4400330/st-paul-protests-philando-castile-black-lives-matter/
https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-black-lives-matter-leaders-condemn-violence-and-vandalism-at-protests

Even Democrats have condemned the violent actions of the minority demonstrators of ANTIFA, and BLM:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/

At their core, BLM and ANTIFA were designed to be peaceful protest groups. However, see the links about accelerationism, bad faith actors, etc.

Your talk about marxism, lack of patriotism, etc? Those are all Fox News/OAN talking points. You're condemning an entire movement (mind you the largest in our country's history population estimated at about 15-26million ~1/16th of the US population).

Oh my you have all the debate descriptors taught by your Marxist professor down don’t you. So you really believe that the violence and riots are the fault of right wing “accelerationists”. That’s ridiculous, you realize there is video evidence right? Or are you saying there are a lot of black right wing accelorationists? That is so absurd it’s funny.

I thought Biden says Antifa is an idea how can an idea protest anything? Oh somebody’s lying... again. Who is it? The left. The movement is based on a Marxist organization and I vehemently denounce them and their Marxist rhetoric. You can call it a talking point but they don’t deny it themselves. They themselves say they are trained Marxists. So how is that a talking point. It’s truth! The truth will set you free.

The McCarthyism is strong in this one.

Difference is that if you actually are an America hating commie it’s not McCarthyism

A little McCarthyism from the left is ok though. Accuse your opposition of what you do.

The left follows the findings of the FBI and the CIA.

The right folliows the findings of QAnon.

Which is more credible? You decide!

McCarthyism from the left is okay? Since when has any leadership on the left called anyone a communist?

They don’t claim Russian collusion on every issue possible? They haven accused the president of being a Russian agent or claimed Bidens sons laptop was planted by.....RUSSIA!?

Appeal to extremes by hyperbole. That's original.

FBI states that the emails have "all the earmarks of a Russian misinformation campaign." Be that as it may, they're still doing their due diligence and investigating.

By the way, accusing of being a Russian agent is not the same as accusing someone of being of the communist party.

McCarthyism - noun : a vociferous campaign against alleged communists in the US government and other institutions carried out under Senator Joseph McCarthy in the period 1950–54. Many of the accused were blacklisted or lost their jobs, although most did not in fact belong to the Communist Party.

So who is blacklisting people and forcing them out of their jobs now? It’s not the 50’s. McCarthyism can be applied in any form just change that it was about communism to not being woke enough now. The point is you beg to be enslaved by the leftist dogma. You want to be told what to do and how to live. You want to not have diversity of thought. You may say you do but if you support the left and their Marxist leaders that is what you support. Thisnis aside from the fact that McCarthy wasn’t wrong he got carried away. There definitely were communist sympathizers within the government as there are now, but as his power grew he overreached and got a good old american slap down which is what you guys are about to get to. The twitter mob is not the voice of America.

Oh, jesus. I can only take so much tinfoil speak for so long. Sorry man, I can't keep up with your crazy theories and accusations.

So does BLM help struggling, poor, "oppressed" people with all their money?

no, but protests and bringing light to the situation can help get the message through. we as people can’t do much about it besides attend protests, but these are still important. sharing the message is what matters. and let’s hope some government people deal with that soon instead of blaming us for not solving the problem of poor people.

Everybody knows the situation. The MSM makes sure of that. Don't you think the millions of $$ would be better given to poor struggling families?Wouldn't that help more than shaming white people because of something their ancestors may (or may not) have done before they were even born?

That brings up another problem though. If they were to only help black families that were struggling, that would clearly show them as racists themselves. Which is why renaming to ALM and using those funds to truly make people's circumstances better, regardless of race, would be the best thing they could do.

we aren’t shaming white people for having slaves we’re shaming them for murdering black people

So every white person murders black people?
(Also you didn't answer my other question.)

no, but just enough that it’s large problem. yes, the money should be given to struggling families, but if you donate to foundations that help the families of the murdered people, and ones that help bail the innocent people jailed from protests, we can help support them. and helping one group of people isn’t racist if they need more help than the others.

What are the statistical comparisons between white people murdering black people and black people murdering black people. Interested to see if you know.

BLM uses its money to essentially tell white people how racist and privileged they are. At least if the MSM is to be trusted.
They aren't using those millions to help people.

So you think there are black people (and a substantial group at that) that are struggling more than any given white people? If you walk down the street of any major city and watch for homeless people you'll see how incorrect that is.