Stupid

who gave you a soul to live then?

Who created the universe?

God

Bingo! and there's evidence of it too. In fact, it's almost self explanatory if not it's very self explanatory.

Nobody, obviously.

Who do you think created your creator?

no one. that's why it's called a mystery, if you read the bible.

Hah. Convenient.

read the bible

It's a fictional book. I could make claims about elves and tell you to read The Lord of the rings; it wouldn't prove anything tho.

you know what

ig you've never read the bible, and you probably never will. i bid you good tidings

I have read it.

Have you read any other book?

yes. i AM able to tell the difference between fiction and fact-based writing because the Bible itself isn't some fairy tale, it's a documentation of RECORDED history and REAL events that happened. you do realize you're dissing a whole religion here, right?

"...Documentation of recorded history and real events that happened. "

Oh boy.

You're aware that you are arguing that descriptions of someone walking on water and raising the dead are historical facts, right?

Are you trolling?

You sound like you're trolling.

If god can creat the universe then I'm pretty sure walking on water and raising the dead shodnt be such a big deal.

*shouldn't

no i replied and said yes. now answer the question

Answer what question? The Velma question?

We're just glossing over the fact that you think descriptions of someone walking on water and raising the dead are historically accurate?

ofc

Do you believe everything you read in those other books or are you able to tell the difference between fiction and fact-based writing?

yes, hold on person who can't seem to respect other people's opinions. are you seriously simping for velma?

Hah! Not at all surprised you dodged the question.

I don't want to goss over those facts.
I DO believe those things are historically accurate. We are talking about the fact that we believe there is a God, right? If there is a God, and he had the power to CREATE THE UNIVERSE, don't you think he can raise someone from the dead or raise someone above water? That's what I believe. I don't think that's so crazy to think once you look at the grander scope of things.
I'm assuming you don't believe there is a God, but for the sake of the argument let's say there was.

"Christians claiming the whole Universe was assembled in under a week are essentially claiming it just happened."

Having the universe created under the direction and supervision of God is completely different than a million random elements coming together on accident.

Yes, the Bible says that God created everything in six days, and rested on the seventh.
And yet, He hadn't even created the sun and planets to determine what a "day" was until the fourth "day".

Is it so crazy to think that what God considers a day could be thousands of times longer than what we consider a day? Maybe even millions. In fact, maybe he didn't even mean a "day". When that was written, it could have just meant a "period of time."

I think we both agree that the universe is beautiful and complex. We just disagree on how it was created.

Are you assuming that because I believe there is a God, I ignore science? That I consider everything scientific to be ridiculous? Everyone is always pushing God vs. Science. I don't think that's how it should be.

"Atheists observing the beauty and complexity of life use rigorous scientific analysis to show that what we have is the result of millions of years of evolution."

I'm open to the possibility that the universe was created exactly how scientists claim it was. I just believe that it was God who directed its creation and put all of the factors in place.

"If there is a God, and he had the power to CREATE THE UNIVERSE, don't you think he can raise someone from the dead or raise someone above water? That's what I believe."

Interesting? What was the thinking behind leaving all the other planets empty? Are they like, back-ups or...

So, your creator's priorities are ice-skating and creating zombie hordes not like, dealing with incurable diseases or stillbirth or anything? Right.

He sounds pretty sick tbh. Not in the good way.

"One of the many reasons I believe in God is that when I look at nature and the entire Universe, I find it hard to believe that it was an accident. I can't believe that this just HAPPENED. It's too complicated and beautiful and would have required way too many "coincidences"."

Who said it just happened?

Christians claiming the whole Universe was assembled in under a week are essentially claiming it just happened.

Atheists observing the beauty and complexity of life use rigorous scientific analysis to show that what we have is the result of millions of years of evolution.

It won't let me reply to your comment so I'm replying here. The Bible describes God as a male. Jesus Christ and a dozen prophets have described him as "Father". That's a term given to the male parent.

You were right, I haven't explained why yet. One of the many reasons I believe in God is that when I look at nature and the entire Universe, I find it hard to believe that it was an accident. I can't believe that this just HAPPENED. It's too complicated and beautiful and would have required way too many "coincidences".

I don't know what you mean when you say that those are his priorities. I'm really confused.

I don't think that the fact the bad things happen is reason enough to assume he's not real. I believe that good things can come from tragic circumstances. Through tragic circumstances, we choose to either become closer to God, or farther away from him. We have this life to test us and our ability to stay righteous.
About the diseases, in the Bilble, God curse the Egyptian's with 7 differn't plagues. I know that most of them aren't really "plagues" they were just awful things that happened, but same principle.
Unless we have bad things in our life, we can't appreciate when we have good times. The night makes us appreciate the day. God has reasons for what he does, that includes plagues.

How do you know there is no life on the other planets? We haven't even gotten a drone on Pluto yet! The millions of other galaxies might have millions of other lifeforms. We don't know, we can't reach them. I think the reason God didn't put other life in our Solar System might be because he wanted us to appreciate the life he put on Earth for us.

"And I'm not trying to make you believe in him either. I'm just telling what I believe and why I believe it."

Where exactly did you explain why?

And I'm not trying to make you believe in him either. I'm just telling what I believe and why I believe it.

Why would a creator be male? You know that in nature creators are almost always female?

Are you toxic? You sound like you're starting to get a bit toxic. Let's back it up a bit here.
History does not mean it excludes the supernatural. So yes, I suppose I am arguing that.

ʷʰʸ ᵃʳᵉ ʷᵉ ᵃʳᵍᵘᶦⁿᵍ ᵃᵍᵃᶦⁿ

Hold on Britney Spears,

Are you seriously claiming that 'supernatural' events fit the description of historical fact?

No! They couldn’t even get corona virus right.

what???? how does that relate to my question?

WHO can’t get anything right is all!

oh!!! I see it. I wasn't talking about WHO. I was asking who created the universe. But that was funny because I see a joke in there. do you?

Wats on second

what is that

Exactly!

“Whose on first” is a classic skit. If you don’t know it, YouTube it

oh it is? cool.

a milestone! wow! never even heard of it, and it's a milestone in history? lots to be learne i guess...

It was so successful its a milestone in history. The skit is about a baseball team manager telling his roster to a reporter, it’s just the names are impossible to get right.

that is completely irrelevant

yeah what

Here's the answer.
Georges Lemaître
In 1927, the Belgian Catholic priest Georges Lemaître proposed an expanding model for the universe to explain the observed redshifts of spiral nebulae, and calculated the Hubble law. He based his theory on the work of Einstein and De Sitter, and independently derived Friedmann's equations for an expanding universe.

Actktually, he proved Einstein’s stagnate universe theory obsolete.

Yup

The only person to out-math Einstein was a catholic priest

actually the black hole was the thing that created Big Bang...

what created the black hole then?

Lets humor you and say that god does exist. By your logic, something has to be created by something else, or transformed into something else via intensive heat, pressaure, ect. In that case, who created god?

Well, if you are to ask who created God, if there was an answer you’d ask well who created them? And if there was an answer for that then you’d ask again who created them and so on and so on and so forth. Same thing goes with the Big Bang. What created the Big Bang? You’d say something like a black whole. What created the black whole? It would just go on over and over forever. However, if you look at it from a metaphysical point of view (Supernatural, not physical), there is no time in the metaphysical realm, and no order of events. God is always there, and nothing created him for there is no time. God created time, and created the universe, marking the beginning of time. Without there being a metaphysical realm, nothing would make sense and there would be no start and no end to the universe.

'The black whole' lol

There is discussion in physics that the universe has always existed.

"It has been the big question facing humanity since mankind crawled from the primordial ooze – where did the universe come from?

Non-scientific versions of the answer have invoked many gods and have been the basis of all religions and most philosophy since the beginning of recorded time.

Now a team of mathematicians from Canada and Egypt have used cutting edge scientific theory and a mind-boggling set of equations to work out what preceded the universe in which we live.

In (very) simple terms they applied the theories of the very small – the world of quantum mechanics – to the whole universe - explained by general theory of relativity, and discovered the universe basically goes though four different phases.

More importantly they discovered what came before this universe was.. another universe or more accurately another ‘cosmological phase’.

In our cosmological model the universe did not start with the big bang

Professor Mir Faizal

Despite being infinite in size our universe is cyclical and has always existed in one of four stages.

The universe is expanding, and the expansion is speeding up, but the team believes that certain modification motivated by quantum mechanics will ultimately halt the expansion and pull the whole lot back to a near infinite point – at which stage the universe will start expanding again.

The paper, called ''Non-singular and Cyclic Universe from the Modified GUP'', written by Maha Salah, Fayçal Hammad, Mir Faizal, Ahmed Farag Ali, is super complex but Prof. Mir Faizal outlined the main points of this paper."

How do you know, that the black hole isn't just some 3rd dimensional construct of 4th dimension technology? Lucky for me, I'm not claiming I know what created the universe so I don't need to provide proof of it. However if you'd like to give me some proof of a God I will gladly start praising him(unless he's a immoral _______ like every incarnation of God I've heard of)

Explain polonium halos then cause the big bang theory doesn't line up with them

is are you do have stupid? God was always there, he is greater than time itself! he literally made the concpet of time!

Funny how people worship a diety they can't sense with any of their five senses. Like NinersRobb01 said, Since you claim to know how the universe was created (via god), You have to prove it. I don't claim to know how it was made, so I don't have to provide evidence for an argument I don't have.

lol did you experience the big bang? how do you know that it 100% definitive happened?

Lol did you experience god creating everything? How do you that it 100% definitive happened?

*know

lol how do you that

do you have any idea how old the bible is? how many different documents from real people and what they saw.

did you experience god? how do you know that it 100% definitive happened?

Who said anything did?

Thanks for using the template.

LOL DO U HAVE BRAIN

XD

No it iz beez Arceus erone no dat

So what you're saying if I take a pile of wood and put Dyimite around it, it will create a house.

Dynamite sorry

who created the big bang?

What do you mean who? The question your looking for is what. And we don't know, but unlike religious people we don't falsely claim to know.

what I mean is who or what set off the big bang? Christians would say god. Scientists who don't believe in God would shrug or make another theory.

What's the proof God did it? Why doesn't he come down and let us know?

I read Hugh Ross' book "The Creator and the Cosmos" and that explained it. "the universe had a beginning and if it had a beginning, it needed a beginner. From that point on, I never doubted God's existence." That's an excerpt from it that shows proof.

Where does that get you to God? That same quote makes me think unicorns made the universe.

CAN YALL PLEASE STFU THESE ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A WEEK

GEEZE

A bit aggressive, but I'll stop commenting to make your day(s) better

Thank u

what

Everybody thinks the big bang theory is a fact

Who created the Big Bang

No

lol you obviously have not read Genisis

Exactly!

so basically this guy started ''reply war 2'' in this comment

I know. I just said "who gave you a soul to live then?" and this happened XD

yep

Exactly

Your brain duh

That makes no sense

That God created.

yes he did

Yes really.

The creator of atheism even doubted his own claim
Explain why bees make hives

Than how are you alive?

Yes

That's a complete lie.

What chances energy could come up with how it works perfectly infinitely from its first design

Those chances may be one in a billion trillion. You're making an assumption that our Universe sprung up on "the first try". The anthropic principle states that in order to observe our Universe the way it is it had to be formed with those intrinsic properties which makes observation possible. There could be infinite Universes and beyond that an infinite number of failed Universes which didn't meet the slim criteria which result in a stable Universe. Infinity is beyond reckoning so it gets pretty unhinged when you analyse such things.

Not really, auctally. God created the universe to work perfectly, he did not need multiple tries to get it the way it is.

I dare you to say the Universe is perfect the next time you stub your toe.

the universe was created 2 b perfect; we mucked it up when we sinned. now imperfections & evil are involved.

I'm strangely not convinced by your argument.

look out side and say that was an accident god made it can you make a blade of grass?

in that case if god made the universe to be perfect, that means he also created humans to be perfect as humans are part of the universe. However you just said that humans can sin and are therefore imperfect. So in conclusion god made an imperfect universe

Your God is okay with slavery.... I don't think we're the ones who destroyed the perfect universe(considering that were 1 asteroid away from being dust Is say we're far from perfect).

Somebody at fruit, and this caused asteroids, physical pain, and premature balding.

and slavery, and any form of authority besides God. Only God knows how to properly have authority.

It is. God made everything to work the way it is and does.

Our Universe is filled with wanton suffering. According to your Gospel (I'm presuming Christian) sinners who do not accept Jesus will be tortured for eternity.
According to your Gospel I have family I loved in life who are right now burning for their trespasses. If you can call that perfect you are a monster!

also, i just thought of this: technically we all should've gone 2 hell 4 sinning. Jesus came and DIED so that He may save some of us from that. if u think God is merciless, just understand that He died so that u COULD be with Him instead of hell. Otherwise we'd all b in hell.

sry about the capital words, i couldn't find another way to emphasize words. i'm not angry.

u can think of it this way: the devil rebelled against God and thus his punishment is eternal torture (b/c fighting an all-powerful God is stupid and hopeless). So thus his way to "get revenge" on God is to sweep the ppl He created with him. the devil doesn't want us to have the opportunity 2 b w/ God; he wants us 2 b tortured just like him. in other words, it's almost an envy. he just doesn't want us 2 b better off than him. As 4 God, this means those who want 2 b w/ Him have the choice 2 b, & those who don't want 2 will not.
This is sad 4 some, especially when realizing that we all fall 4 tricks.

I am sorry, but, God gives everyone the choice to make their lives better but he lets them chose for themselves. We can't unfortunately change what some of our friends or families chose but we can help those who are around us now. I know God wants no person to go to hell but that is, sadly, the person's choice of they want God's love of not.

Expert theists predict that the only suffering they go through is mental; they know now that God exists, but they didn’t before, so now the live in a world without God, and they feel as if they’ve failed him.

People are judged by God based off what they know.

You speak of TORTURE FOR ETERNITY as if somebody deserves a sympathy card from Hallmark! Don't you see that is unjust. What just god would let that happen?

Parents might let a toddler touch the stove to learn what hot means. But a parent who would watch a toddler bumble onto train tracks to get wrecked and said "oh well, they made their choice" is a poor parent indeed.
What then of a god who lets you choose ETERNAL TORTURE as a lesson you ought to have learned before it was too late. A poor god I say!

He does not just let it happen, the people chose ether to follow God and love him and to accept him as their father or to turn away from him and not believe in his mercy and love that he has shown us. God does love us, that's why we are all here today, people say he sends sinners to hell but they are wrong, they send themselves by not accepting the Lord into their hearts.

if u ignore a boss's warning, u'll get fired. if u ignore a command in the military, let's not even talk about what might happen 2 u. going 2 hell is the punishment 4 ignoring the warnings God gives u thruout ur entire life, however long that may b. yes, a parent will not let their kid touch the hot stove, but they do spank their kids, and that hurts. they may even take away privileges that may scar their kids emotionally 4 yrs (which has happened b4). but that's called discipline, & it doesn't mean they don't love us.

except that parent would have given them the information on what would have happened if they went on to the train track

I'm going to be frank about the link you shared. It's unadulterated B.S. The Bible is not a primary source unless you are studying the Bible itself. If you try to prove science with the Bible which is filled with parables and metaphor how are you to distinguish fact from allegory?

Also they seem to spend inordinate time proving the world isn't flat. I mean they seemingly expect some of the readers are so backwards that they're flat-Earthers! It is to laugh.

Just think, every basketball, baseball, testicle and egg has a bottomless-pit in it!
I too am surprised I read that far before vomiting.

@Cheshire I know I said I was done replying and I am. I just wanted to give you a shout out that I looked at your memes and you have some real bangers! Funny stuff!

Thanks. That is really appreciated.

And please, think about what I said, I can't force you but I'm just trying to help.

If god wants everybody to be saved then...

he gave you a choice

Imagine it this way. Your dad wants to take you out to an ice cream shop. But you, the kid, act up. Therefore, he is not going to take you to the ice cream shop because you acted up, even though he truly wanted for you to enjoy an ice cream.

I'm just going to say it for people advocating it. I have read the NIV Bible cover to cover. Just saying.

The quickest way to become an Atheist is to do exactly that, reading the "good book" front to back. If you can do that and remain a person of faith and belief you are unique, uniquely stupid.

@CreatorOfDankMemes
Herein lies the problematic nature that the bible is demonstrably self-contradictory. While you are correct that many modern theologians argue that the lake of fire burns the wicked to ashes to die a second death in what I would suppose is a timely manner allow me to pull out but two verses.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

So the bible has veracity when you want it to have it and has no veracity when you don't like what it says? Convenient.

OK, so god has no choice in the matter. So god isn't all-powerful. Exactly who's in charge then?

The god trilemma: God is all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing. Pick any two.
If you pick all three then there should be a limit to suffering since we're cherished so much.

We are cherished so much that God wants us to love Him freely, not force us to adore and serve Him. We still have free choice in our own actions, even though God is perfectly capable of intervening.

I could not word it better myself so I'm quoting Sam Harris: "Either God can do nothing to prevent catastrophes, or he doesn't care to or he doesn't exist. God is either impotent, evil or imaginary. Make your pick and choose wisely."

The worst despots in history have been individually responsible for tens of millions of callous murders. Untold years of human suffering by their command. Yet you bow to a being who supposedly would turn a blind eye to untold billions of souls being tortured for eternity and call it perfection?

That callousness dwarfs any feat of man. No person has ever nor will ever cause that level of suffering.

Fortunately there's no god, no heaven, no hell. None you can prove anyway. If it were true what a horror.

https://faithtrend.com/scientific-proof-that-hell-exists/

@MusicViking435217 I'm sure you'll be a fine parent with many kids who live to the age of approximately 2.5 years since you'll give them a list of information about everything that can harm them and let them roam the city under your fine hands-off tutelage.

In my allegory we're the toddlers. Toddlers may comprehend that a train can kill them but people at that age can hardly understand the concept of death. If it's too hard for even one person to understand they're going to hell and god sits idly by. SERIOUSLY PEOPLE!

Hear ye! Hear ye!

God's loving and merciful discipline involves ENDLESS NEVERENDING SUFFERING!
Boy oh boy is that some discipline!

As I stated, the only suffering they go through is the knowledge that they didn’t believe in God when they had the chance

I don't care much for helicopter parents in real life. But if there were a certainty that some of your children which you cherish are going to have their flesh flayed, be stuck in painful coitus and have their flesh seared for ETERNITY! Again, never ending pain and suffering. Let us not diminish that thought!

If those are the stakes then be a helicopter parent god. I beg you! Save the people you cherish. Every single one of them. You can be loving and merciful and only change one choice in an otherwise completely free existence!

What's that? Are you too vain? You need and require your cherished children to genuflect before your greatness? And if we don't you'll just watch us fall?

Earn that badge of love and mercy. There is none if you don't save all souls!

I'm not expecting to change your mind but maybe this will be a good read for any interested.

I only want to say that all kids go to heaven cause they are too young to understand many thing. Also read the bible and you will notice many things. You don't want to argue against God! The bible is the word of God, so f u want to argue then do it with God to really show if he exists or not(i'm not God).

God saves people only if they truly want to be saved. And he has saved tons of people

My last comment because this is starting to repeat itself.

Your words: "fighting an all-powerful God is stupid and hopeless"

Of course it is! You would lose a fight with an all-powerful god instantly and decisively. In fact that all-powerful and all-loving god would prevent you from harming any of his (I prefer her) precious children! You made my own point! Thank you!

You don't know God at all. The bible will show you who is truly is. You think he is cruel, then why didn't he end the world now and billions would go to hell? Why would he let children that don't understand cause they young go to hell? Not even a real person would probably do that (unless they are evil and don't care about children).

This is all I wanted to say. My point is that by logic why would he make kids who don't understand go to hell?

The fact is, you are afraid of the truth, you are afraid that eternity of suffering is real, you don't understand because you don't want to. God sends no person to hell, the people send themselves.

@Baconandtacos25 So as punishment dad lets me get put in a fiery dungeon for eternity just for being human and acting up. DAD'S A DICK! An uncompromising conceited DICK! The god you believe in is a dick if he acts that way.

I wish imgflip had a counter so I can track how many Xians have blocked me. 🤣 Fun times y'all but I think I'm about to bow out again. I'm exhausted!

@Cobaas It sucks were at the bottom of the thread and I can't properly reply to you. Love the quote and thanks for the support!

We're not were. I'll have you know reading The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren was another powerful de-conversion event for me. Filled with whole-cloth conjecture. God wants this for us, god wants that. How pompous and presumptuous to just think you know the mind of god!

There is humility in not knowing. Beware the person who has all the answers.

we are imperfect that is why he died on the cross to save us from our sins because we all sin and are imperfect

Stubbing your toe is your fault, not God’s tho. Most everything is caused by something

It’s not perfect because the universe is a test

Since you believe in god without evidence I'm providing you with an alternative which has equally no evidence. Since you like believing in things without evidence how are you to know?

I never said I believe things without evidence.

I find it hard to believe that people believe god created the whole of the Universe yet was careless or not powerful enough to prevent sin. Or to defeat satan without losing part of the flock to him. CREATING THE UNIVERSE > PRESERVING EDEN

@ EGOS I don’t want to fight but I wanted to say this. If God’s real and he only sends to hell those who willingly disobeyed him. Let’s say that Jesus Christ was the son of God an savior of the world. Let’s say you were one of the people who spit on him and CRUCIFIED him.... I don’t think we really ever stop to realize how horrible that was for him. LOOK UP all the different parts of it please!! It was completely awful!!! Anyway, you were one of those people but let’s say that God DID save everyone in their sins. Would you want to be in his presence for all eternity? That would be torture.
Another thing. We have commandments right? Christians believe that we shouldn’t have sex before marriage. But Trillions if people throughout the ages have broken that commandment. They couldn’t follow that commandment on earth. How would they be able to follow it in heaven? And Heaven can’t be heaven if there is sin there. If you can’t follow those rules then you can’t live there. And maybe the “fire and brimstone” is just the guilt and regret you feel for what you have given up for worldly pleasures.

He will destroy satan at the end of times, and for sin its because he wants only those who love him to be with him, you cant say even death is to strong for him. So if you dont believe thats ur choice no one can fore you to, you do what you think is best.

Here’s a small portion of evidence for you >>>

https://theconversation.com/arguments-why-god-very-probably-exists-75451

I'm sorry I moved the goalposts on you. It's a crappy thing to do. I said I wanted evidence. What I meant was I want rigorous science with compelling verifying evidence god exists. If you find that I promise you'll have my undivided attention. Those goal posts won't move again.

You've probably heard the idea that if a room full of monkeys with typewriters were given an infinite amount of time at some point their random peckings would produce the entire canon of Shakespeare's writings. That illustrates just how vast infinity is.

Timespace is infinite in all dimensions. Infinity allows for a lot of things. Plenty of failures and now and then something that could be described as miraculous! But it's just playing the odds over infinity. No design required, just randomness.

That link has been shared with me before. That article is a philosophical treatise on why god may exist. It's conjecture. I'm looking for hard science with compelling evidence.

Much of that article hinges on how mathematics being congruent with our Universe proves something about design. In response to others here I have mentioned the anthropic principle several times. Instead of describing it yet again I'll just say that there is some research suggesting that our Universe may in fact be very rare. In fact it's so rare all the variables are within the margins to support intelligent life. We're here precisely because the Universe we inhabit is profoundly rare. Rare or not it doesn't prove anything about god.

All specific margins of our existence are fulfilled by our universe, yes. But, how is this possible, if not intentionally created this way

in the beginning it was perfect, but Eve ate the fruit so sin came in, now its no longer perfect.

Tru

You do realize that the human race didn't come.from just 2 people right? And there is no evidence of multiple events in your book happening at all.

@sun-gal-tdp
No fight intended. I have a hard time with people believing a creator made everything everywhere yet can't dictate the rules or fix things. Or save those she desires to. Either the ability to save them isn't there or the desire isn't strong enough. This from the being powerful enough to create everything.

Regarding the test idea. What if the test is not one of blind devotion but one of thought and bravery?
You see if I were god sorting people out I'd tell them "Kneel before me and love me! I will bring you to salvation and eternal life! Your brethren, however, who think independently will be cast into a lake of fire!"

Then on judgement day I would cast those who proclaimed to love me into the lake of fire instead.

"Cowards! You were boastful and claimed sacred knowledge! You greedily sought everlasting life while turning your backs on your fellows! You thought you would enjoy the mana of heaven while your compatriots burn! You are evil incarnate!"

"Ye worthless masses! It was but a test to see who would think with the brainpower I gave them. The treasures of eternal bliss belong to those who bravely stood up against my bullying!"

How do you know for sure it 'aint like that?

This goes against your previous argument that God does not exist. Also, you are saying bad things exist therefore God does not because he wouldn’t let these bad things happen. But now you are saying that God could be bad. But if God is bad, he would let these things happen. So ???

Next time you see a puddle, think real hard what it takes to get there. And then how much further for “you” to be able to think about it and weigh your options. Then think about the ability inherent in energy itself to complete this feat.

Sin my guy.

Egos, you have a VERY valid point an I too have thought of this before but I can prove you wrong, firstly explosions don't come from nowhere, it is a law in physics that energy and matter doesn't come from nowhere and even if you argue using the theory that the universe explodes in a big bang before collapsing in on itself into a singularity before exploding again, I would ask you where did all that matter come from in the first place? You can't just have matter 'existing' since the beginning of time.

I don't propose to know where it all came from. Astrophysicists who have studied these things for a career are qualified to answer. My meager knowledge of the subject does broach a few points.

1) there is recent evidence that the Universe appears to be nearly perfectly flat. Meaning that expansion of the Universe is slowing at a rate that the heat death of the Universe should occur before either a contraction or unbound expansion of the matter in the Universe. https://phys.org/news/2017-06-universe-flat-topology.html

2) The idea of matter simply popping out of nowhere is only part of the story. The idea of the pre-big bang singularity is that all matter existed in a zero dimensional point. That's where part of my understanding breaks down because who can fathom all the mass in the universe taking up no space and not traversing time? But that's my best understanding of the theory. The big bang encompasses not only the expansion of all the matter in the Universe but an expansion of the 3 spatial dimensions and the dimension of time (plus the expansion of who knows how many other theoretical dimensions).

Consequently the idea of "before the big bang" is weird because as heck because time supposedly didn't exist before the expansion.

Honestly if the theory is true it's fairly beyond the scope of what we can imagine. Who could properly understand the expansion of time/space or no time/space? Perhaps a super-genius but certainly not me.

A couple of my posts under the OP mention anthropic principle which pertains to the unfathomable odds against a Universe being nearly perfectly flat perhaps is a requirement for a Universe to be stable. Thus being a stable Universe we observe it to be true.

You should try to explain polonium halos

Haven't studied them. I'll take a look.

I'm just gonna not read that cuz thats too much

Fair enough. TLDR: Our Universe is stable. Perhaps trillions of Universes form and immediately flutter out of existence in order to create but one Universe that's stable. Despite that it's estimated that stable Universes are not rare.

What about the theory of god farting and accitentally destroying the universe?

Sorry about that post. I replied to the wrong person. It's getting busy in here LOL

true lol

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Also to say people send themselves to hell by virtue of their choices... how do you even? Talk about blaming THE VICTIM! Who said to themselves one morning I know what I'll do! I'll go to hell!

You would be sent to hell specifically because you didn't buy it to begin with. So suffer an eternity of pain at the whim of god because you were ill-informed.

Do you shame rape victims for what they wore? It follows the same damn logic!
Ugh! People who don't believe are blameless! Better than that they're right!

tbh, actually, ppl brainwash others, so ill-informed may not be a bad word. Evolution was technically bullied in2 schools some decades after Darwin made it famous, and they kicked creationism out b/c they realized a kid mind would believe the world was created b4 believing all this mumbo jumbo about the world was created by a destructive accident (which has never happened again, btw, so technically Lyell's logic, "the present is the key to the past," which Darwin always kept in mind when he was on the Galapagos Islands, actually is inconsistent with the big bang theory and macroevolution). 1 thing I've seen is that this world makes absolutely zero sense if there is no creator.
Also the multiverse theory doesn't change anything b/c the odds of any of that stuff happening is pretty much zero, so no universe would be created anyway.
if u think about it, we are extremely lucky. we live on a planet with temperatures we can live with (which depends on how far away we are from the sun). the study of anatomy makes it difficult 2 believe that u evolved b/c ur body is smart, smarter than u know. biology just has design in it (even Richard Dawkins acknowledged this, he just seems to hate the concept of a god in the world).
i could go on & on about reasons why i don't buy in2 evolution.

rape victims, if they believe in God and try 2 follow Him w/ their whole heart, are probably not going 2 hell. Condemning them is our system of handling it, which I've always thought as quite dumb. But God is not like man.

also, i've come 2 this conclusion. even if we cannot find out if God exists, would u rather b wrong about evolution being true or God being real? if ur wrong about evolution being true, then nothing really happens. But if ur wrong about God being real, ur in trouble.

also, this may sound harsh, but i don't mean 2 b harsh. Just because someone doesn't like something doesn't make it false. there r many things that i simply cannot stand about reality, about this world, and that doesn't make them untrue. in other words, reality and truth are not defined by what we like.

Then if people are not informed about god will have somthing else with him idk what, but if you're warned the matter is in ur hands to believe or not to believe, what harm will it do to believe?

No.

ya man

@Lucidum_Hydra what?

No.

what about it? That's just insane.

you are so immature

Hey! Something we can both agree on. Lol.

bruh i bet your one of those kids whos stuck in another year with that Billie eyelash and no reverse card stuff. I'm here to tell you you're not funny and not helping your argument but actually hurting it!

I bet you're one of those grumpy old boomers that tells kids to get off their lawn, and you stumbled upon this website and found gen z people like me or the person who made this meme and wanted to "teach them a lesson".

Lol have you seen my memes a boomer can’t make memes like that

lol yet you literally said that phones and computers are evil and against God

no i didnt. If I did then quote me

I’m gen z so no I ain’t a boomer

I bet you’re a 9 year old who says boomer still

nope

I dont care, I actually have crippling depression. I just try to hide it.

still, im skeptical

no you dont. i dont believe you. lots of peeps say that just to make you feel bad

And they are pretending. However, I just spend hours staring at memes and crying, shriveled up in a corner.

im skeptical

I try to hide it, by acting happy and cheerful, but I really just hate life.

or you're one of those Christian kids who will only believe something if your parents said it or if it was said in the bible, and you believe anything unexplainable must be some thing God did.

No, actually, sometimes I get doubts myself. That’s when I start doing research on my doubts and solve the problem

its good to have doubts, but to know their limits is important

There’s two roads,
one : unbiased
Or
2:agenda

Unbiased puts you into supernatural, bias puts you enforcing a narrative

After saying “you’re one of those...” it has been decided by the high council it must be a meme format

stop trying to bully lucidum

na its okay im actually enjoying this

Again. Where did you find all this energy existing to form anything

Here's a second and more playful way to view the anthropic principle.

You may stand before a mirror and marvel at the odds against your creation. How did one sperm find an egg and produce this marvel! Perfection!
Yet from the standpoint of you being able to observe yourself you ignore that the one event that led to your birth had millions of sperm racing for that same egg.
Your ability to observe yourself is only from the standpoint of the astronomical odds against your being.

Not only are there millions of sperm involved in fertilization but there's not always an egg available. To figure the odds against your being as you are I'll leave it as a homework assignment for you kiddos to discuss with your parents how many times they tried, or didn't try to have you before that singular sperm did the job.

And then throw in deja vu, and then prophecies.

It sounds unlikely that reality could be so organized.

But here you stand, atheist, with nothing to give a natural awe inspired wonder. The odds. But believe in the Bible to be credible, is the one impossibility you can consider.

Ironic to most, more common in certain lifestyle social niches

actually my parents actively tried not 2 have kids until i was born. Plus u do realize that if all the sperm were fertilized, the mother would not be able 2 move? Mothers would all die every time they had babies, and would not b able 2 care 4 them, & then ppl would eventually come 2 conclusion that having babies is suicide and thus a bad thing.

I'm not advocating having millions of children all by your lonesome. Let's leave that to insects.

i was going 2 say that sounded like insects lol

That's luck for us! Or it could be a religious possibility. Right now though, I am believing in the big bang.

Well darnit

Thanks,

Np

how do you know there was a big bang

Cosmic background radiation

Then explain polonium halos

I'm not an expert on this and my mentality has changed in those 8 months, so lets just agree to disagree. Even though how the universe formed is pretty cool to know, what really matters is our future and how we'll stop global warming, fix the food crisis, etc

The best Way to fix the world is to get everyone who believes the world is over populated and we need to kill some of them, and have them kill themselves,less pollution and less food being eaten and as an bonus we won't have people getting killed to "depopulate" the world

I just find polonium halos to be interesting so I can agree to disagree

Who set off the big bang?

A guy with tnt trying to rob a bank accidentally set off a nuke and everyone thought it was the big bang.

the big bang happened when the Catholic priest got too close to the children

homosexuals don't r*pe young boys. Sure there are some sick people out there, but that's like saying all straight people r*pe young girls. The priests don't identify as homosexual, as the Catholic agenda is mainly homophobic, but since as a priest you must stay a virgin your whole life, the priests become so desperate for sexual activity that they targeted the people easiest and closest that wouldn't suspect them: the children. And When they're that h**ny, they don't even care about the gender. And in greece, they were much more open to the lgbtq+ community, they even worshiped gods that were gay or trans. Much different than the priests, which aren't even homo (most of the time)

I’ve encountered many male friends who have been traumatized by male family/friends. Also the school sexual abuse scandals overshadow the few rogue catholic priest who were sexually abusive, which in lawyer talk could include as much as spanking to intercourse, yet the crime of rape has not been the case.

That’s luck for you!

no one set it off it was a bunch of chemical reactions. they didn't need anyone to "set it off"

what created the chemical reactions, or the thing that created what created the thing that set off the chemical reactions?

lol thats very confusing

Who mixed the chemicals so they'd react?

no one smh. Think of it like this. There's all of these chemicals and atoms and stuff just floating around, okay? Then, some of these certain molecules run into each other while they're floating around. Bam! There's a chemical reaction! Eventually, more and more of these chemical reactions happen. Didn't you have science class?

So where did the energy originate?

Seems like infinite regress since ilmans science says energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed.

Or this energy is capable of a will and desire, and the holy tribe of Israel was super advanced to have the articles to which become this universes greatest organization, aka Christianity

Yeah, and the chemicals had to come from somewhere. They could not have created themselves.

Bruh you sound so stupid...

No U

dunno

It all works perfectly? Your appendix for example. Male nipples?

Did you know that there are some credible ideas about the appendix being useful? Not so much with male nipples. Anyway the appendix may be a sort of backup for the microbiome of your gut. It's somewhat isolated so if your gut flora get wiped out by someinvader the appendix may serve to repopulate your guts with your native organisms after your body has flushed out the invader. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170109162333.htm#:~:text=Although%20it%20is%20widely%20viewed,reservoir%20for%20beneficial%20gut%20bacteria.

I'm not trying to discredit you. I agree nothing is perfect.

Crabs that’s where

Want to join my crab cult?

Crab ideals:

1. Crabs are not food
2. Crabs are always nice except in cases of ideal 4
3. Crabs never bully
4. Crabs aggressively defend others against bully’s and will ignore ideals 2 and 3 to do so
5. Crabs support other crabs and none crabs
6. Crabs accept all regardless of skin color or sexuality
7. Crabs never discriminate what matters is the crab inside
8. Crabs help others whenever possible
9. Crabs do not share their identity over online sites
10. Crabs never betray other crabs

Bee ideals:

1: Bees are not evil
2: Bees only sting when threatened, they also usually buzz close to you aggressively to try to scare you away.
3: Bees can only sting once, then they die by their organs being ripped out through the stinger.
4: Smoke only makes bees docile by making them panic and eat a lot of their honey, so it’s not the best method.
5: Bees are an example of what society would be if we had to follow all the 10 commandments 24/7

In conclusion, bees should form an alliance with crabs and make bee rave

As a newly identified crab, I feel safer already from the appendages of the noodliest

Dude, grow up.

okay now I'm really interested can I join your cult plz comment on my original comment above

One way to find the cult is to search CrabCult or click on my username and go down to streams

This is just an online fun thing right? If it's more than that, I am not in because none of us really know each other.

I would like to know more first

I’m American ;-;

What do you think do the crab cult?

Recruitments huh, the pastifarians got ya Down...

You can check out the stream. The Crab Ideals post is pretty helpful

I love a good crabby patty as much as the next fish

Pasti- wat

Want to join or? I am getting mixed messages

Does it come with a hat

It doesn’t come with a hat but if anyone every bully’s you it comes with a crazy cult leader (me) defending you :)

Hey, I'm looking for a good crab inspired meal, know a good recipe?

I’m sure dollar tree could fix that. Thank you China citizen, wish you could enjoy American privilege..

Not so sure I want to join.

Why not?

Crabs are cannibalistic.

It's eating its babies.

Don't join!!!!!

Those are lobsters......not crabs.

Dude, those are lobsters...

Stop trying to divide the crab people with your sorcery

You dorks are worshipping a Red Lobster meal.....

Who created the atoms

Nobody the always existed.

Define “always existed”

God created the entire universe.

who created god

Nobody, he always existed.

Alright, if that is so, how was the earth and stars and everything in this entire beautiful universe created?

then why can't matter have always existed

Because, God created matter.

no he didn't. No one created matter it was always there

I’m tired of you people trying to convert me to “god”

those atoms need a cause to exist

Replying to “do we have slaves now” yes actually we do

no they don't

Yes they do its the law of physics

I could argue so does god if he exists.

God gives you free will. Matthew 4:7

I’m talking about slaves. What’s the point of giving us free will if we use it to take away others free will and make their free will useless

do we have slaves now?

SHUT THE F**K UP ABOUT FREE WILL WE HAVE WAY MORE EVIDENCE AGAINST ATHEISM YOU IDIOT

Yes god gives us free will so we can use the free will to take away others free will

No he did not. He gave us free will so our love and feeling we're real.

that did not make a lot of sense i but i think i know what you're talking about

what?

can you see air can you feel air no but it is there

the trees and flowere and birds are prof of god that is not by accident

your saying that is all by accident are you calling yourself an accident? you were put here on earth for a reason not by accident and us talking on here today is not by accident either god has a plan

Disproving Big Bang: how can an explosion happen and create an entire universe if there was nothing to make the explosion in the first place? HA

There is no argument for atheism, it only can be an opinion.

look at your hands and say that that was made by accident

Your stupidity makes no sense.

Wrong.

And why is that

No one.

god created the universe idiot

OK

God

For me it would have to be the explosion

Disproving Big Bang: how can an explosion happen and create an entire universe if there was nothing to make the explosion in the first place? HA

I thought he gave me the AIDS.

What soul?

Your mom

Your welcome