Hypocrite Neil Ferguson is full of excrement

He is off by a million. That other moron Neil was of by millions.

its not over yet moron

What, coronavirus out your idiocy?

or*

It’s coronavirus. He meant coronavirus.

Why stop at 2 million? Every American owes their life to this President.

As for the ones that died: well, Trump is only one guy. He can’t save them all.

:P

Professor Neil Ferguson, and the idiot presidents and prime ministers who believe his computer predictions.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/04/professor-neil-ferguson-and-the-idiot-presidents/

He’s Neil Ferguson: the ghost in the machine.

Why do governments salute when he predicts a pandemic and tells them to lock down their countries?Does anyone care about his past? Why does he still have a prestigious job? Who is he connected to?

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/30/the-british-corona-middle-man/

No one heard of that shyster Fauci until a few months ago.

Now Fauci is pretending he has the fake virus because he is about to be summoned by Congress to be asked about an old paper he wrote saying HCQ is effective against coronavirus. Yeah, he's very mature.

Oh yeah! My favorite part was when he started shoveling that BS that some "kids" are exhibiting some alarming symptoms, attributed to the non-existent sars-cov-2. If it quacks like fraud then Dr Fauxi is a quack.

Yea, and where did you go to school?

Thanks for admitting you have no argument.

You should care, because governments listen to his bull

and what bull is that? Did he go out in a hospital with no mask? wonder aloud about injecting cleaning fluid? say that this will just magically disappear?

Trigger a liberal. Watch the 26 minute PLANDEMIC video.
https://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=ytzsJYFv6HI

Fam?

Did you watch it? If not, how can you comment on it?
You fancy yourself one of the pseudo intellectuals around here, as if such a thing exists.
Astound me, astound us all with a few intelligent sentences about the content.

I don't watch many videos with made up words as a title.

A worldwide event and that's your lame excuse.
I'll take that as "didn't watch it." And so your opinion has no value if you haven't watched it.
Good to know who the phony players are.

I don't think it's a particularly a lame excuse to not watch it as it is a lame excuse to "trigger liberals" to watch it. It is very good to know who the phony players are when you've continued to spam this viral video, pun intended, all over imgflip. Americans should be more resilient to this kind of spread of fake news and disinformation by now as we saw hundreds of videos of it's ilk during the 2016 election. Only this time, you're spreading actual harmful misinformation that could prove to be fatal for the most gullible.

Perhaps if your intention was to spread serious information, and to warn people about an honest worldwide conspiracy that is being used to control people, then you would choose to be more informative of it's content rather than fanatical about the importance of watching the video.

Boy, you sure are mouthy regarding something you know nothing about.
Mostly because you are scared and a hypocrite.
Your opinion has no value. You have no idea on content. You are talking out of your ass.
That's a lock.
Worldwide event and "I don't watch videos with made up words as titles". Totally lame.

And your opinion on how I choose to bring attention to the video is equally worthless.
I have yet to hear one coherent argument against the video, it's either a stark refusal to watch it or some pointless spastic rant, utterly devoid of fact.

And banned for spam. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

—So, are we in a position yet to judge whether he was “off by millions” or not?

—Did you take note of the assumptions Ferguson states were used to make his prediction? What were they?

—Final question: who are you listening to these days for a reliable prediction of how many will die before this is all over?

Trump tells these fools what to think, sadly. So they scramble and reach trying to find every bit of information they can to bridge the gaping hole between what Trump says and what's actually happening. People are in serious denial about how easily the coronavirus is transmitted and how bad the disease can get.

Covid-19 is a respiratory disease and the outbreak will follow the normal flu season. As the weather warms from summer the outbreak will dissipate, just as every other respiratory disease does and has done throughout history.

So when does flu season end in the USA? Well it occurs in fall and winter. We just exited winter of 2019-2020. And we have fall coming. So we can expect far less activity through the summer, based on historical patterns.

Are we in a position to judge whether was off by millions? Well it seems unlikely that we would reach 2 million dead as we exit the winter flu season heading into summer and we have 79,244 deaths. That would mean in the fall there would need to be about 930,000 more deaths just to make his prediction of 2 million off by 1 million. And as more time goes, more developments are made in the labs regarding the disease and how to fight it. So yes, it seems very unlikely that we will reach that number.

"Did you take note of the assumptions Ferguson states were used to make his prediction? What were they?" Did you? The model projections that lead our political leaders to lock down the country was based on models that made no allowances for people voluntarily staying home when sick. How likely is that? Not very likely, considering 58% of working age adults took at least 5 days of sick leave in the prior year.

"Final question: who are you listening to these days for a reliable prediction of how many will die before this is all over?"

Well for one, not Ferguson. But even more important, considering that most of the hyped models have largely missed the mark, how do we know there is anyone capable of "accurately predicting" the mortality from the disease? And why do we believe there should be a political solution to a respiratory infection? We never relied on a political solution for any prior pandemic.

The World Health Organization estimates that worldwide, annual influenza epidemics result in about 3-5 million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths. You are twisting facts. It's taken three months to get to the low range. No evidence Covid-19 is seasonal. Provide?

First, we are not talking about the world, we are talking about the USA. So no, I wasn't twisting anything. I was highlighting Ferguson's model which claimed that there would be 2 million deaths in the USA.

The Coronavirus is a family of diseases. Covid-19 is a novel Coronavirus. Prior diseases in the Coronavirus family have shown to be seasonal and dissipate in the warm weather of summer.

"A key finding of the study was that common human coronaviruses seem to be highly seasonal.

When the study started surveilling participants all year round, the researchers found that only 2.5% of human coronavirus respiratory infections occurred in the months between June and September."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/common-coronaviruses-appear-to-be-highly-seasonal

Now as this is a novel coronavirus we have no study to site that we know 100% that Covid-19 will behave in the same seasonal manner. However, we also have no data to say it won't. And it's highly likely that Covid-19 will share similar properties to its relatives.

""This novel coronavirus is a cousin of the coronaviruses that are circulating in humans and just causing the common cold," she says. "So the property of the virus is likely to be similar to the common cold version of the coronavirus. So I would expect that this [new] coronavirus can also stay in the air better at lower relative humidity, meaning the indoor conditions that you find in the winter months." Meaning that it would be more likely to spread in winter." - Akiko Iwasaki, a professor of immunobiology at the Yale University School of Medicine.

When a lack of data is available to claim this new virus will have a new behavior pattern, it is rational to look at the normal behaviors of related viruses.

Yes but its not rational to rant about a particular researcher who believes no evidence is bad evidence and speculates elsewhere.

And we are talking about the world. The fact is the research for the US was skewed in presumptions about mortality because it was believed we would behave similar to the world. That is many estimates were well under the 75000 mark we are passing now.

This particular researcher from what I see believed the US would be not on the same trajectory as the globe. I guess in six months we can pick up this thread again.

20/20 hindsight is a bitch.

Says "hindsight is 20/20" then proceeds to monday morning quarterback trump on everything he does

Because everything he does is utter shit.

Because his Borg-like followers will take what he says and just run with it. Even after he stops saying whatever dumb sh*t he's saying because he gets proven wrong or the backlash makes him pump his brakes, his legion keeps going because they're so damn brainwashed it's almost scary.

Trump runs with it! Please note the press hysteria over drinking bleach and Jimmy Kimmell altering a Pence video to make him look foolish. TDS sufferers are a brainwashed bunch themselves.

TDS.

Remember all these right-wing memes from 3 months ago comparing Obama’s H1N1 response?

Where did they go? I need a status

Remember the 1957 H1N1 pandemic where 116,000 americans died? And the economy wasn't shut down? I need a status

I actually hadn’t heard of the 1957 H1N1 pandemic ever before until I started looking into the history of pandemics a couple weeks ago.

I have no idea what the U.S. government did or didn’t do in response to that. Maybe more could have been done, maybe not.

What do you think?

The Spanish Flu outbreak, too. I had heard of that one a few times before but it seems to have been a pretty overlooked chapter of history until just recently.

Hopefully Covid-19 isn’t that bad, but it looks like it’s on track to be worse than 1957.

"I have no idea what the U.S. government did or didn’t do in response to that. Maybe more could have been done, maybe not."

It didn't shutdown the economy.

So are we supposed to just let another hundred thousand die? What for exactly?

Well we closed the economy and we had 70,000 die. And in the process we crippled the economy, putting more than 30 million out of work. Nearly 60% of all small businesses expect to close a result.

We never, in the history of the country closed our economy over a disease outbreak. When we did start to believe it's the job of the Government to solve pandemics? We never believed it before.

Man I get the feeling that had you been alive during the space race you would have been arguing “never in our countries history have we gone to the moon! We should not go to the moon!”. How can New ever happen if we need to have already done it in the past?

Yeah, that's exactly the same is it not? Going to the moon is just like shutting down the economy and putting more than 30 million Americans out of work in a month. Oh no, it's not actually because going to the moon didn't put 30 million Americans out of work.

It’s an unprecedented situation brought on by a novel virus. Is it your intention to sound like you’re talking about it like it in the past tense? And if 60% of small businesses close than in a capitalist society you should be using your large brain to see that it’s bad for some, but opportunity of the lifetime for others.

We've seen novel viruses. We've faced pandemics from novel viruses. No shutdowns.

You’re correct but the assumption that “seeing novel viruses” somehow gives us total knowledge of all of them future and past is false. These viruses all have different mortalitity and infection rates.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-south-korea-cluster-reopened-nightclubs-delays-reopening-schools-today-2020-05-11/

So stay home and be unemployed. The rest of us will go back to work.

Small businesses are closing because the bigger businesses gobbled up all the stimulus money just like Trump wanted so if you want to blame someone, there you go. And there's a huge chance that the number of deaths could've been a lot higher but of course you don't give a sh*t about that because you're just here to parrot Trump's moronic talking points. It is the government's job to deal with situations just like this. Trump doesn't get to skip out on his duties just because the job got too big for his tiny hands.

FALSE....they are closing because they have been crippled by the LOCK DOWNS. If you can't understand how, then you are simply beyond help.

"It is the government's job to deal with situations just like this."

FALSE...we have never in the history of the country shut down the economy over a respiratory disease outbreak. Never. Even with worse diseases and more deaths. You just like to make shit up.

Do you believe we should ever shut down the economy over any outbreak?

Our country is very large geographically, it would be unlikely the entire country would need to be locked down over a respiratory disease outbreak. Now in some extreme case, like actual bio-warfare, it might be needed. But for something like this, no.

Says who? What if this is bio-warfare like you all have been accusing China of? While it's true that there is no way to tell for sure that the lockdowns helped, we still don't know how bad this could've gotten if we didn't lockdown. It's all just speculation at this point.

Where have I accused China of bio-warfare?

Saying the disease started in China, which is accurate, is not an accusation of using bio-warfare.

People in your camp have accused them of releasing the coronavirus on purpose. Right-wing conspiracy theorists on your side. You must have heard the right-wing conspiracy theories.

I can't control what everyone says, our government has not said this is bio-warfare.

1957 pandemic killed 116,000 thousand Americans. No shutdown. Why? Because that is not the Governments role.

How America Brought the 1957 Influenza Pandemic to a Halt
Microbiologist Maurice Hilleman saw it coming, so the country made 40 million doses of the vaccine within months.

https://daily.jstor.org/how-america-brought-the-1957-influenza-pandemic-to-a-halt/

So a private individual at a private company created a vaccine. The Government didn't shutdown the economy.

And Hilleman is the only person to correctly predict a pandemic.

Says who? Several prior respiratory pandemics with no shutdowns. That's who says.

Pandemics with viruses that were less infectious and less deadly, by your own admission. I don't think Italy has ever locked down the entire country before. But they did it first and like their fashion industry, they were being a trendsetter. Evolution is about adapting to change. If we can't adapt, we die.

First of all, before official lockdowns were happening people were already starting to self-isolate on their own and reopening everything doesn't mean everyone is going to want to rush right out and maybe catch it now. Also, what I said the small businesses not getting their stimulus money is true. That money is supposed to help them stay open and larger businesses, but ones with up to 499 employees are taking the money over the small mom and pop stores. https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/349583

You're back, with more dumb. Not awesome.

Voluntarism didn't mandate the closure of all non-essential businesses. The layoffs followed the lockdowns, not people just volunteering to stay home.

The stimulus money was funded through the SBA. Now I know you know very little about commercial loan underwriting so let me help you. Most small businesses do not utilize SBA financing because of the personal guarantees involved. This was never going to stop small businesses from failing from the mandatory lockdowns.

Well I guess at least your mudslinging is better than you posting memes of naked guys humping each other and telling the person you're debating with that's them. Are you capable of having a discussion without being a complete d*ck or is this just who you are?

Some of the stimulus money was passed on to banks which were tasked with providing loans to these small businesses. They've been cherry picking their customers and small businesses are getting screwed. I've seen countless interviews of small business owners saying this exact thing.

There are plenty of scenarios where the pandemic would've shut down businesses anyway. Like, all of their employees catching it. Customers hearing about that and never wanting to patronize their store again. It's the pandemic causing the destruction. But the country is starting to reopen and we're about to find out just how great of an idea this really is so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

It's interesting, you and other liberals are telling us this disease is far deadlier and more contagious than the flu (aka H1N1 that occurred under Obama). So we should expect not only more cases, but more deaths of Coronavirus in comparison to H1N1 from 2009-2010.

So considering the US has 1.33 million cases of Covid-19 but H1N1 infected nearly 61 million, I would say Trump is doing far better than Obama.

According to the CDC, H1N1 was responsible for 8,868–18,306 deaths in the United States due to the virus from 2009-2010. While Covid-19 is currently responsible responsible for 77,034 deaths in the United States due to the virus from January to now, less than five months. I would say your observation is incorrect that Trump is doing far better than Obama by the death count alone.

His observation is completely and utterly incorrect.

According to my sources we've not hit that yet. I'm sure we will in a few weeks, hopefully not less. I must ask purely out of curiosity, what is your source?

Not sure if they used this source but this site claims current numbers in the 80,000 range.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Thank you. At the time, it was contradicting CDC and WHO numbers. And still is as of this post.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200510covid-19-sitrep-111.pdf?sfvrsn=1896976f_2

And the world map I've been following here...

arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1fOenKLJz90lHZM-R3sapD3z75Eu5yql2OH88HsvwRCC-Bq0BwVIy17uU#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Google also has a Covid-19 alert bar (if you search coronavirus) with a statistics tab that is also within that range..... claims to be sourced from wikipedia.

I cropped that screenshot to show relevant parts.

Go read it again. And please understand something, respiratory disease outbreaks do not last for 12 consecutive months.

H1N1 infected 61 million people. Now it's true that counts for both winter and fall flu seasons.

We are exiting winter flu season now, and based on data we have on other Coronavirus diseases, it's likely we will see a drop in cases as we enter summer. We will then see another outbreak in the fall. So right now we have 1.3 million cases. It's unlikely we will get any where near the 61 million cases we saw of swine flu.

Clearly, we are seeing less cases of the more infectious Covid-19 disease than we did of the less infectious swine flu. Hence Trump is doing a better job.

You have to account for the drastic social distancing that we’ve done this time, and the deaths that have nonetheless resulted despite our best efforts.

It’s safe to say we’ve taken the most drastic and painful measures ever in our history in response to a pandemic and we have already seen deaths at least 6-7x that of the H1N1 outbreak — by its *end*. And Covid-19 isn’t even close to over yet.

You seem sanguine about the “end of winter flu season,” but we still don’t really know how this novel coronavirus will respond to warming temperatures. And with the easing of quarantines, no real tracking and tracing to speak of, and a bunch of folks not even willing to wear face masks, I believe we are in for a cruel, cruel summer.

Well it's been in the upper 80's low 90's in California and there was an outbreak at a birthday party a few days ago where 30-40 people weren't wearing masks and one girl with a cough was joking around about having the coronavirus. Turns out she did have it and infected several others there.

"You have to account for the drastic social distancing that we’ve done this time, and the deaths that have nonetheless resulted despite our best efforts."

We have no way of knowing what is responsible and how much so for the number of infections. New York has the majority of cases, in spite of social distancing orders, and in this state, the majority of infections are incurring in the home, and the people being infected are staying home and are non-essential workers.

"It’s safe to say we’ve taken the most drastic and painful measures ever in our history in response to a pandemic and we have already seen deaths at least 6-7x that of the H1N1 outbreak — by its *end*. And Covid-19 isn’t even close to over yet."

Well, we already were told this is more deadly and more contagious than the flu, so more death was expected. Further, the vast of majority of deaths have comorbidity factors, and the deaths are largely impacting the elderly. For the vast majority of the working population, the death rate is much closer to that of the flu.

"You seem sanguine about the “end of winter flu season,” but we still don’t really know how this novel coronavirus will respond to warming temperatures. And with the easing of quarantines, no real tracking and tracing to speak of, and a bunch of folks not even willing to wear face masks, I believe we are in for a cruel, cruel summer."

Yes, it is a novel coronavirus, but we know it is a coronavirus. And we know that Coronaviruses do not thrive in the warmer and more humid weather of summer. When faced with a lack of data about a given disease, it makes sense to look at related diseases.

"A key finding of the study was that common human coronaviruses seem to be highly seasonal.

When the study started surveilling participants all year round, the researchers found that only 2.5% of human coronavirus respiratory infections occurred in the months between June and September."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/common-coronaviruses-appear-to-be-highly-seasonal#Highly-seasonal

Bottom line, we don't know what will happen. But it's not the government's job to stop a respiratory infection from spreading. Its their job to allocate resources and aide in response to a problem. Not to prevent a problem that could not be prevented.

Read what again? The CDC website? I never said respiratory outbreaks last 12 months, I only implied that we do not have a complete annual model yet. We do already know Covid-19 has killed more people than H1N1. That should not be in dispute and is a far greater threat than merely being infected.

The number of infected are irrelevant based on how well Trump is responding to this pandemic verses Obama's pandemic. Trump's death toll is already higher. It does you no good to compare them.

What you can compare the numbers to are other countries dealing with this same virus right now. And yes, in that claim we are doing better in terms of number of infected to total populous and fatality rate. At least, right now. And I do hope that continues to remain so. And I'll happily give Trump some credit for that so long as he does not abandoned the precautions that have allowed us to stay ahead of the virus so far.

When I said read again, I was referring to my comments.

"We do already know Covid-19 has killed more people than H1N1. That should not be in dispute and is a far greater threat than merely being infected."

Where is that in dispute? Hint: It is not.

"The number of infected are irrelevant based on how well Trump is responding to this pandemic verses Obama's pandemic. Trump's death toll is already higher. It does you no good to compare them."

Again, slow down, read slower. The number of infected is absolutely relevant. When people talk about containment, they are talking about INFECTION. If you have two diseases (A and B) and B is more infectious than A, you would logically expect to see more infections of B than A. But that is not happening, not even close. So the more infectious disease (Covid-19) is being contained BETTER than the less infectious disease B (Swine Flu). This is not disputable.

"And I'll happily give Trump some credit for that so long as he does not abandoned the precautions that have allowed us to stay ahead of the virus so far."

And what precautions are those? The most effective precaution against Covid-19 is hygenie, aka effectively washing your hands.

There is obviously some dispute as the effectiveness of lock downs.

I'm not sure what you're using to rate the infectious scale between Covid-19 and H1N1. By infected numbers alone, H1N1 is by definition more infectious. The reason why Covid-19 is more serious than H1N1 is not because of how infectious it is but rather it's high fatality rate and it's longer than normal incubation period.

I am repeating what we have been told (I am not ascribing academic veracity to the statement). This is the talking point "this disease is more infectious than the flu". Hence the "we need to lock every one down" and "keep people home". And yes, the disease appears to be more deadly as well.

At the rate we are going, it doesn't seem likely we will see similar infections we saw with Swine Flu. Therefore you can say the disease is being contained. But even though with a lower number of infections we may still see more deaths, as this disease is more deadly.

I see, so there is no way to measure your basis of comparison.

Right now, we don't really know how many people are infected with Covid-19 but we can hypothesis how many are infected if this virus is no different than H1N1. Let us assume the fatality rate is similar to H1N1 had a 0.3% fatality rate, and let us further assume that that is the actual fatality rate for Covid-19. Many people are arguing that Covid-19 is just the flu, after all.

That means we divide 77, 034 deaths by .003; and that gives us an estimate of about 25,678,000 people are infected with Covid-19 in the US alone. Right now. The experts I'm reading are saying that we should expect see twice that amount come fall in addition to what we have now... which puts us at 77,034,000 people expected to be infected this year by Covid-19. And if the fatality rate remains at our hypothesized 0.3%, then that is a death toll of 231,102.

Of course, that remains to be seen if Covid-19 will repeat the Coronavirus models and has the same fatality rate as H1N1. Still, that is a projected death toll twelve times as worse as Obama's H1N1 crisis and 17 million more people infected as well. Four times fatal than the seasonal flu.

But again, this is all hypothetical. I am by means no expert, but I am rather fond of statistics, and may be misinterpreting the information or failing to calculate a significant factor of the numbers above. Again, we don't know if the numbers will really double in the fall or drop in summer or how many people are actually infected. And I wouldn't dare say this is enough to prove Trump is doing an awful job by the numbers but I think taking some manner of precaution is warranted to minimize the potential threat of this virus. Especially if it's more infectious.

More than a dozen people who may work near President Trump and Vice President Pence have tested positive for the coronavirus this week.

Did everyone in the country get tested for Swine Flu? No. So what's your point? Oh right, you don't have one. Which is you followed up your idiotic comment with about two people testing positive who work around the President and Vice President, which is not related to the topoc

H1N1 killed 12,469 ... out of 61 million. The coronavirus has caused over 80k deaths... out of 1.3 million. So exactly how is Trump "doing far better than Obama?"

Read it again, dumb-dumb. Covid-19 is more infectious than Swine Flu, yet we have nearly 60x less infections. It's pretty clear.

Are you f-ing stupid? 80,000 deaths is not doing better. The 60 million was over the course of an entire year. We're 4 months in cowboy. And there's been 3 times as many deaths. You want to talk about someone not having a point? You clearly don't have one here.

Bahahaa.... respiratory disease outbreaks don't last an entire year, f**ktard. It would help you tremendously, if you had a small understanding of just basic concepts.

Flu season doesn't run for 12 months, it occurs in winter and fall.

We are exiting winter flu season now, and we have fall coming later. But we are nowhere near the number of infections we saw from swine flu, in spite the fact that Covid-19 is more infectious.

We have more deaths because this disease is more deadly, especially for the elderly and people with comorbidity factors.

My point is clear, it's just lost on you since you happened to be incredibly stupid.

You need a frontal lobotomy, fruitcake.

Have you met this chart yet? It’s a good one.

It's incomplete.
Below name calling is everything you do as routine ritual, it's where you live, so to speak.
"Deceptions": Lying, gas lighting, corrupting language, etc.

That's where you call home, a dysfunctional sociopathic corner of hell, devoid of all intellectual promise. It's why you are most loathed person on this web site.
I doubt your mental illness is undiagnosed, you just got stubborn and refuse to take your meds.

I think some of this qualifies as ad hominem

I’m being generous

Nobody cares, Mr. "Off My Own Chart, I'm Such A Lowlife Douche."

You went back down.

Nobody cares because I'm still operating multiple levels above you, Mr. Liar.
All of your posts are like dog turds on the Imgflip lawn, you're an embarrassment.

Coming up with ever-more creative insults may impress your comrades, but not me.

If you can’t point out where I lied, gaslit, or “corrupted language” (Lol), as you’ve claimed, then you’re just blowing hot air.

Though I suppose reading my posts might feel like gaslighting to those who are gaslit.

In the meantime, stay safe. I want everyone here on ImgFlip to stay healthy and survive this second wave of infections that is on its way.

Nobody cares cuz EVERYONE ELSE is still operating multiple levels above you, Mr. Liar.
Save your condescending rhetoric for the very, very few who haven't yet figured you out.
And a cheery "stay safe" to you... by getting back on your f*cking meds, sociopath creep.

Please stay safe.