So you want socialism?

I'd be a socialist .... but I've become accustomed to toilet paper, electricity, speaking my mind and food.

Socialism leads to communism. Communism leads to starvation and genocide

The only problem we have is that for every legitimate vote for Trump, there are 3 votes cast for a Democrat by voters who have been dead for years...

Those fences also restrict access to firewood from the coffins, clothes on the deceased, and shoes...shoes that the socialist badly need to run out of their country

that is funny and nearly true

You are one of my favorite people on this site now.

Not you. Well, kind of. I was talking to the person who made the meme

Oh wait. That was you. Nvm, bro

Before anyone chimes in to say “Denmark isn’t socialist!” but is instead a fundamentally capitalist economy just with higher taxes and social spending, etc etc.

Yeah, I know.

And neither are Bernie’s policies “socialist,” by that same definition. He doesn’t want Cuba or Venezuela. He wants Denmark, basically.

Whatever label you want to slap on his policies — and “socialism” just like “capitalism” are fuzzy concepts — that’s what they are.

So stop strawmanning Bernie, and I and others will no longer have to point this out.

has bernie not said multiple times that he is a socialist

In the colloquial American sense, he is.

In the European sense, he is not. He’s a moderate social democrat in their book, but we Americans don’t generally speak in those terms.

Nobody wants Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Russia, etc...

But time and time again every time they enact communist practices, that's what they get.

Nobody is talking communism. Bernie’s farther left than most but he’s still nowhere near that.

He’s a moderate social democrat, and there are plenty of success stories in Europe you can point to

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/20/9767096/bernie-sanders-socialism-jacobin

The money quote from Sanders on this issue is this: “I don’t think government should own the means of production.”

The actual, honest-to-God socialists in the U.S. (and there really aren’t many of them, honestly) don’t claim Sanders as one of their own.

Some of them do support him anyway, but they don’t think the “revolution” Bernie talks about goes nearly far enough.

Noam Chomsky (whom you may not like, but who is an expert on what socialism is and isn’t) calls Sanders an “honest New Dealer” but not a true socialist.

Despite Sanders’ “revolution” language, what he proposes is in fact just aggressive reform that would make us more like Denmark, not the USSR.

Still not seeing how that's a good thing

I don't want to be like "Denmark". I want to be like a country that will not go $97.5 trillion more in debt with an exorbitant tax burden on the middle class. That is economic suicide for those of us who actually follow the bunny trail.

https://www.city-journal.org/bernie-sanders-expensive-spending-proposals

And don't say it will be taken "just" from the rich. Okay Bernie Bro? If you want the massive nanny state like Denmark then why don't you move there and stay out of the US.

I’m not a Bernie Bro, actually. I’m on team #VoteBlueNoMatterWho because none of them have violated an oath of office like our current President

I’d be fine with Bernie

No thanks, I love this country and like living here in the U.S., it’s been good to me, I just think it could be better

I am sure you would be fine with a communist as well if they were on the blue ticket. So pathetically stupid.

You love this country, but apparently you don't love the people because they are going to become slaves to the government. You would rather bring horrible nanny state policies and taxation to the US then just go move to the utopia known as Denmark which already espouses what you want. If it is so great why don't you move there for a while and then come back to give us "real" proof. You are like any good leftist. A virus that has no qualm about spreading misery equally to all.

If there were any actual communists running on the Democratic side, I wouldn’t support them. But there just aren’t

Much as y’all would like your fellow Americans who happen to hold different political beliefs than you to just up and emigrate, I’m afraid you’ll have to deal with us.

While I’ve not lived abroad in any one location for any longer than 2 months, I can report that exploring other countries and cities without much of a fear of being shot or held up at gunpoint is nice.

You should still be vigilant of course (and I didn’t like Paris at all honestly, due to general griminess and harassment by ruffians in many places), but the chances of being murdered in Europe are just much much less than here.

Ooooohh, pretty buildings next to some water. What a paradise that we don't have anywhere in the US. I definitely want a massive nanny state and wealth confiscation if I can have that!!!!!

Greece didn't have a socialist government, it makes no sense to include it

it is not Socialist per se, but it has a socilist type of economy in my thinking, as opposed to a capitalist one

Greece is a capitalist economy but the lazy Greeks tanked it. Government spent far too much money and as they were tied to the Euro, the could not inflate their currency as a way out. They ended up in debt to the EU and the IMF with no way out.

i want all your communism bruda

hey guys here are some bad eggs while we ignore countries with social policies like norway and denmark

yeah...you really know nothing about those countries. Yes, they do have social policies, but they are far from the type of "Socialism" that you are referring to. The "socialism" that you promote will bring only death and misery. It fails every time with predictable results.

why don't we have those social policies, then? that's what bernie's advocating for

Did you not read what I posted.? Do you want millions of dead in this country?? Have you lost you mind???

p.s. I know how much you love Donkey meme, so...

this is what I think @ merryprankster

"The "socialism" that you promote will bring only death and misery. It fails every time with predictable results."

you have any proof of that?

Yes

how do you know what type of socialism i'm promoting?

There is only one kind of socialism. It all leads to the same inevitable result, as outlined in previous comment.

eyyyy linear thinking. socialism in scandinavia technically isn't socialism, but since you called it that, i'ma play along. it's definitely not friggin ussr communism.

comment addressed to your last comment. Not sure why the only thing to click on is "flag", so I have to answer here:
How absolutely ignorant can you be? You totally miss the point. Another knee-jerk reaction to the word "muslim". Stop it! IF the outside influence migrating to Sweden were Macedonians, and if said Macedonians just took advantage of the social programs without contributing, then the results would be the same.
Pull your head out of your ass.

I don't know how it is done but so many onthe left do not have a "rely" to their snide comments

yeah..that was synthetic-Manthis that called it that. Scandinavia is Capitalistic with a healthy form of social programs that only works in a homogenized society. That is why it will soon fail in Sweden. Too many "diverse" (muslim)people have migrated to Sweden and the new immigrants want all the benefits of that society without actually contributing to it. Not to mention the Swedes unwillingness to "offend" anyone by calling them out will contribute to its demise.

neither muslims nor diversity have anything to do with socialism.

Because you brought "countries with social policies like norway and denmark" so therefore you mean Pol Pot.

Because you brought up countries "with social policies like norway and denmark" so therefore you mean Pol Pot.

Yes. The proof is called "History".

aight. list an example

Sorry, I can't give you one single example of socialism working for five minutes.

Ah, the Norway and Denmark argument for why Socialism supposedly works.

Denmark is not a Socialist country. It is a market economy. Socialism is leaking in, just as it is with the United States, a Capitalist/Market economy itself.

From a piece in The Huffington Post:

"First, a bit of history. Denmark did not become wealthy through redistribution alone, obviously. In fact, as Otto Brøns-Petersen of Denmark's Center for Political Studies recently explained, it got rich under a taxation and spending regime not that different from that of the big bad United States. Danish tax levels only took off starting in the mid-1960s--and the country's process of catching up to US wealth levels soon after came to a halt. In other words, Denmark became rich first, and only then ratcheted up its tax rates."

"Next, some perspective. Denmark still qualifies as a market economy today despite its high taxes and large welfare state for a number of important reasons. As Brøns-Petersen points out, property rights are well-protected, the currency is sound, international trade is relatively free, and the regulation of business, labour, and credit is light. There are few restrictions on hiring and firing, there's no legislated minimum wage, and taxpayers are not called upon to bail out their banks."

The Danes benefited from low taxes in order to get rich, then when they were wealthy, saw their taxes raise and start a limited welfare state. Wait another 10-20 years and you'll see what Socialism can truly due to wealthy countries.

still, why can't we have the same policies denmark has?

We have a similar structure in the fact it's free enterprise, but why would we change something that has been working for us for a long time? Tweaking things is one thing, but outright changing the whole structure like the Democrats want into a Socialist economy, is outright stupid.

"why would we change something that has been working for us for a long time?"

denmark isn't overspending on war and spending on things that matter like healthcare.

And I don't believe the government should decide our healthcare. They ruin just about everything else (with the exception of our defense in most cases) so why would I want them controlling my healthcare? And over spending on "war" is up for interpretation.

Literally every other rich Western country has figured out how to provide healthcare to most or all citizens without it costing 20% of GDP like it does here

The cost of healthcare is out of control, it’s bankrupting lots of people and costing everyone way too much in premiums.

We have to fix it somehow. The free market isn’t fixing itself on this issue. And the ACA didn’t fix it either, by the way, not even close. (Looking at this chart of annual premium increases, the ACA may as well not have even happened)

There are many, many different models to choose from that involve more or less government involvement, but we need the political will to at least try.

that's why we're vouching for someone who advocates policies like bernie does. he advocates for denmark/norway policies in order to make the government **not suck**.

He will make it suck, if that is even possible, even more. He is a snake oils salesman and you are lapping it up Bernie Bro. Don't fall for that massive fraud and liar who will not eat his own dogfood and give up most of his wealth voluntarily. All for the sake of a bunch of free stuff that will DEFINITELY not be free.

"He is a snake oils salesman and you are lapping it up Bernie Bro"

you have any proof of that?

Do your own homework lazy ass. You probably wouldn't believe any proof I would provide anyways.

eyyy imagine the proof you have being "gO lOoK iT uP"

Thought you might want to know.

i know that. they're closer to a social democracy, or a social-oriented capitalist nation

Right, which is exactly what Bernie favors

Equating Bernie with Venezuela or Cuba is the biggest political strawman out there right now

Bernie favors not sacrificing his own wealth while millions of others will have to under his massive nanny state. He doesn't even know how he will pay for his $97.5 trillion in additional spending because it can't be done. You are quibbling over whether he is a Socialist or not. Do you think Cuba and Venezuela, which were both very wealthy societies, thought the same when they brought in their current "leadership". Whose is to say that Bernie wouldn't do the same? Wake the FU.

Cuba: Was “wealthy” but extremely unequal, which created the conditions for a Communist revolution. (Let’s not forget the dictatorship that preceded Castro was no walk in the park, either. What do you think caused the Cuban people to turn to a madman like Castro in the first place?)

Venezuela: Used to be a wealthy and had a healthier economy as well, but steadily became addicted to oil. Which was not good when oil prices collapsed.

Latin America has always had rule-of-law problems. So many countries (not just those two) have transitioned in and out of democracy and authoritarianism and various stages in between.

Neither is a great comparison to the U.S., which has robust rule of law, a diversified economy, and is more similar to Europe. Bernie may talk of “revolution” to excite his base but his policies are better thought of as aggressive reform.