dazed and confused

9,427 views • 112 upvotes • Made by DanielDonohue 5 years ago in politics
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boredmeme
14 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Exactly, everything has consequences.
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2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
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3 ups, 5y
Helps who?
SydneyB
12 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Ma_Deuce
6 ups, 5y, 1 reply
That guy shouldn't be in charge of wiping his own a$$, let alone a US state with the 5th largest economy in the world.  Everywhere he's been, he's left a wake of destruction.  

SF didn't just turn into a sewer overnight.  What you see there today is the direct result of what he did as mayor.  He's doing the same to our beautiful state of Taxifornia now.  

What's truly insane, is that he'll try to run for president based on what he's done here.  Just watch.
SydneyB
1 up, 5y
Isn't he Pelosi's nephew? Such a weaselly little shit. 

Yeah, a shame what's happened there but you can partially blame Reagan. He turned CA blue forever with his shitty immigration deal that he got suckered on.
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8 ups, 5y, 1 reply
DanielDonohue
4 ups, 5y
thanks!
Ma_Deuce
8 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Bernie doesn't know the cost of all his giveaways, and he doesn't care.  He'll just tax "the rich" to pay for everything.

So, there's two ways to look at that.  Either he no longer considers millionaires to be "rich", since he is one, or more realistically, he's going to have to tax everyone, especially the middle class, because at some point, even Uncle Sam's credit will not be good enough to borrow the money to pay for trillions and trillions of dollars in "free" govt programs
DanielDonohue
8 ups, 5y, 1 reply
exactly, and if you ask him how much it will cost, he does not know or care. He lives in a pipe dream
SydneyB
6 ups, 5y
Not just that, he'll look at you with disdain and get pissy.
Fauscovai
2 ups, 5y
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2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
dimowits are pulling the rope
DanielDonohue
2 ups, 5y
most excellent and true
7.ups
2 ups, 5y
darko_yolo
5 ups, 5y, 4 replies
All these tax cuts for the rich and the rent did not lower.. it still went up. Wages didn't really increase for most either. The rich basically pocketed that money. Gee what a surprise.

Not only did the rich get richer but it lead Mitch McConnell to look at possible ways to cut Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, food stamps etc in order to offset the government's tax revenue decrease.
Ma_Deuce
6 ups, 5y, 1 reply
What do you mean when you say the rich "basically pocketed that money."?  Where does the money go when it gets pocketed?  (to use your unsupported, and likely inaccurate way to describe it.)

The problem is you make a blanket statement like that, with ZERO proof, and expect people who work their butts off and could really use a break on our taxes for expenses (in my case, paying *other* taxes) to believe you?  As Quid Pro Joe would say, Come on, man!  If you want to have a serious discussion, you need to take what you say seriously, if you expect others to do the same.
darko_yolo
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Ma_Deuce
4 ups, 5y
Okay, so how in the world is anyone supposed to believe you didn't sit down and type that up, then screen shot it, and post it?  Without a source, all I know is that we're dealing with nothing more than someone else who shares your opinion.
Ma_Deuce
7 ups, 5y, 3 replies
After Trump's tax cuts, my company gave all employees bonuses for two years.  Never happened before.
VagabondSouffle
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
Your wife's business gave you a bonus? That is so awesome.
Ma_Deuce
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
Your ignorance, is as usual, off the charts.  I don't refer to the business my wife and I own as "my company".  I work a full time job, and my wife and I run a business that she works at, on average about 12 hours a day, seven days a week, and I chip in about another 30 hours a week for.

But that's not what you're really getting at with your meme.  It's a pretty pathetic attempt to take a poke at me.  You're a sexist idiot.
VagabondSouffle
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
My meme? Where?

Sexist? Because you live off your wife, faker?

You're the one that said SHE owned the company last week, then later you worked for her, now yous BOTH run it? What's it gonna be next week, she works for you?

Know your place, beta, and be thankful for your boss. You owe her your living.

Oh, and trying keeping your lies straight, Fatso, it works better that way.
Ma_Deuce
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
Were I sexist like you, your pathetic attempts to poke me by saying I live of my wife, might actually cause a reaction other than total... yawn.  

You see, when someone is so utterly ignorant, and then doubles down on it, as you often do, it's easy to consider anything they say to be worthless.

If you really believed what you're attempting to shovel, you'd come at me with reason and valid points.  

The fact that you don't, only means that you don't even believe what you're shoveling.  Come on man!  (in best Joe Biden voice) If you don't believe it, how do you expect others to believe it?

Try harder.  You're not impressing anyone.
VagabondSouffle
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
HOOOOEEEEEEEEY!!!! AIN'TCHA EVER SO TRIGGERED!!!!

Curious about this "sexist" bit, where'd ya git that? I mean, how deep into the cavernous depths of your ass did you have to stick your head to find that dollop of cuteness?

Don't fergit ta ask yer wife fer permish!
Ma_Deuce
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Try reading that last post using a perfectly calm inner voice.  That's the way it was written.  So if you are hearing anything you consider to be triggered, it's all you.  Just because you can't read that post without using your inner "triggered" voice, does not mean that I'm triggered.  

I should let this last post of yours stand on its own.  It's a monument to your immaturity, and your sexism.  

Really, you don't understand why your comments are sexist?  Okay little Timmy, I'll explain to you (again) why what you're posting is sexist.  You're using 100% sexist comments in an attempt to trigger me.  It really doesn't get much more sexist than that.

A more effective approach would be to get the person you're taunting, to expose their own fails... oh wait, that's what I'm doing to you!

So keep shoveling the same crap.  All you're doing is making yourself look even more sexist and juvenile than you already have.
VagabondSouffle
0 ups, 5y
Gaagh, ya got me, still triggered 5 whole days later (see what I did there?)

Oh, kinda busy now, ddin't read your wall of butthurt.

Thanks for playing tho.

Laterz, fats.
darko_yolo
1 up, 5y, 2 replies
Ya I've heard about some companies offering bonuses.. some of them being for that one year after. And some being in the form of 401k stock.. beats a stick in the eye but not as good as actual wage increases.
Ma_Deuce
3 ups, 5y
Yes, a wage increase would be best because it should be permanent.  Although, the extra money from the tax cuts should be available as long as the tax cuts are in place.  I just don't see most companies being able to handle that from an accounting perspective on an ongoing basis, but I could be dead wrong about that, as I'm no bean counter.

I think the bottom line about the point I was trying to make in response to your meme was, that for some, the money did trickle down.  Even though the whole trickle down theory is hard to prove or disprove, imo.  If a company uses the extra money to hire more people, then it's not trickling down to all employees in the company, but just that new hire.  Of course, the cynical among us would point out that the company may not be run by nice people, as my company is, and those at the top could keep the money for themselves instead of sharing it with the workers.  I'm sure that happened.

Of course to be fair about your point (which I, ahem... always try to be), I should mention again that for me, this happened twice, but not since.
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2 ups, 5y
Keeping an additional 3% of my income was like getting a raise. Couple that with the 6% annual raise I've been getting and my income has been up 18% in two years.
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darko_yolo
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Ma_Deuce
4 ups, 5y
You're making a fair point, but I'm not the sole earner in my house, so what I received can't be considered the whole of our household income.  I know you don't care, but my wife and I also run a business, and not being a bean counter, I can't say if our total income increased by $4K or not.  To answer your question directly, no, my bonus was not $4K.

I think we can have a polite discussion (odd for the flip...) but overall we're likely to simply disagree, because you seem to feel that govt can spend my money in the wisest, and perhaps even the most altruistic way, while I feel that I can.  We won't convince each other otherwise.

Speaking of greed, I know business types can be greedy, but what about govt?  You can't tell me that giving the govt the type of control and power that people like Bernie and Liz propose, wouldn't lead to greedy behavior.  Just look at one aspect of that type of power in the case of quid pro Joe and how our foreign aid to Ukraine was used for kick backs to Hunter.  (sorry, not trying to poke you, but I can't imagine he was paid for any other reason)
DrSarcasm
4 ups, 5y
WiseCracker
4 ups, 5y, 2 replies
Expecting someone to give you a handout isn't going to get you anywhere.  I started my own business and my customers would be considered "rich".  When they have higher expenses, they utilize less of my service.  For the past 3 years, it's been explosive.  I went from running my business on 5 servers during the Obama presidency to adding my 28th server last week - all to keep up with demand.  If this keeps up through Trump's 2nd term - I'll be able to retire early (I won't - but I'll be able to).  I work 60-90 hours a week doing what I love, in a business that supports a dozen families....why would I ever want to stop?

Get off your ass and make your own fortune.  Nobody is obligated to do it for you.
Ma_Deuce
4 ups, 5y, 2 replies
I'm sure you don't need me to tell you to ignore darko yolo completely (which it seems like you've done... good job!)  When someone can't argue with what you've said based on any actual facts, they usually write something dismissive like "you missed the point entirely" and of course, they don't bother to tell you what their point was.  Why?  Because it opens them up to actually having to support their point, with annoying things like facts... which they don't have.
WiseCracker
2 ups, 5y
Eh, I'm doing it for the upvote and comment points....and it's always fun to watch people 

deflect.

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darko_yolo
0 ups, 5y
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darko_yolo
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
WiseCracker
4 ups, 5y, 1 reply
You aren't good at making points then, because everything in your comment is easily disproved.

"The rich basically pocketed that money."

People who use my service are the types that own private jets, and they're spending big.

"in order to offset the government's tax revenue decrease"

Tax cuts resulted in increased tax revenue in 2018:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-federal-revenues-deficits/

2019 showed a 0.4% decrease in revenue.....hardly a blip.

Did you ever stop to think, we've been running a budget deficit for a few decades now - maybe we should stop spending like money grows on trees?  Food stamps were only cut to people who were able-bodied and without children.  Nothing encourages someone to get off their ass and get a job like hunger (I know this firsthand).  I haven't researched the others, but I suspect the cuts were to groups who shouldn't be receiving them anyway - like illegal immigrants.
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darko_yolo
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
WiseCracker
2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Mine is a software-as-a-service product, and they're using the heck out of it. The usage increase has created many new jobs.  It started with 3 of us during Obama's 2nd term, now there are over a dozen.  My pay is performance based - the company does well, I do well - if the company has a shit month, I have a shit month.  It's good incentive to keep the machine well oiled and develop new software products.

Stopping illegal immigration and denying benefits to illegals would save the country $135 billion annually.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/record-135-billion-a-year-for-illegal-immigration-average-8-075-each-25-000-in-ny

There is a lot that can be done to avoid a downturn.  What I attribute more to the recent growth than tax cuts is the massive cutting of regulations.  Getting out of the way allows businesses to better manage their own activities and spend time on development and innovation.  With reduced pressure, I can more easily dream of new products and put that into code I can sell.

My most successful product is a legal compliance software for European companies.....dragging that money right back to the good old US of A.
Ma_Deuce
3 ups, 5y
When darko yolo posted something like that as a reply to me, I asked for the source.  Otherwise, he could have typed it up and screenshot it, or it could be from anyone else who happens to share his opinion, even though that's not proof of anything.  

You put a source in your reply to support your point, which I applaud.  Opinions are fine, and we all express them freely here on the flip, but when we start talking actual numbers, citing the source should always be done, imo.
KylieFan_89
0 ups, 5y, 2 replies
You kind of have a point but so do we

The bottom-line issue here is the skyrocketing cost of housing in many cities which can only be fixed through easing restrictive zoning that only benefits current homeowners and building more housing
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1 up, 5y, 1 reply
VagabondSouffle
0 ups, 5y
Landlords to COMPETE for tenants? What part of LA (or anywhere that isn't Ohio) you say you live at again?
KylieFan_89
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
Supply and demand, folks!

Surely in your zeal to score partisan political points y’all didn’t forget Econ 101?
[deleted]
2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
How does your dream of condensing more people into cities help this problem? It only exacerbates it.
KylieFan_89
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
How does creating low-cost, high density housing exacerbate either problem?
[deleted]
3 ups, 5y, 2 replies
All affordable housing placed in high density areas eventually becomes high priced ghettos.  Land obeys the "supply and demand" rule just like other commodities.  If you pack people into limited spaces the space becomes more valuable, forcing those who can move, to leave.  The homes eventually become rentals and/or HUD homes, which invite a lower tier income level population to move in.  It continues to degrade from there.  The land becomes so valuable that no one can afford to live and pay taxes in these homes unless subsidized from the government, which is precisely what is going on in these packed cities.  The rent on a studio apartment in New York is around 2500 a month...something very few can afford on their own.  Think about what suitable housing for a family of 4 would cost.

The original owners of the affordable housing, will move out if they can, taking their equity with them to put down on a bigger and better piece of property further from the exploding market.  Most times they can do this with no additional cost or higher mortgage payment.  That's just how the trend goes.
KylieFan_89
1 up, 5y, 2 replies
I’m not talking about “affordable” (i.e. subsidized) housing, though. Right now I’m just talking about easing zoning restrictions so that more market-priced housing can be built.

In an ideal world, we wouldn’t have to have subsidized housing, really. Developers could built units where people want to live until supply and demand were in equilibrium, and employers would pay their employees enough to allow them to buy said housing.
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2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
"In an ideal world". lol.  Let's just talk about where we are, and leave Utopia out of this.

The affordable units you want aren't "affordable" to the builder.  The profits on low priced housing aren't attractive at all, and most builders go high, not because of zoning, but because the rate of return is better.  I actually would like to create an area near me where I develop a large track of land and put mobile homes on it, but the unit cost and the unwillingness of Banks to lend money for these homes to the very people who need it is the road block I'm up against.  By the time I do what needs to be done through infrastructure and utilities, survey and land development, I can't sell the units at anything above my costs to put them there.  I'm essentially breaking even with maybe a little in my pocket, but not enough to warrant the year or two of hassle that comes with it.  And this is rural.  I can't imagine how much more costly it would be in the nearest large city, but I'm certain it would be a bust.  Something like this would need to be subsidized from some entity.
KylieFan_89
1 up, 5y
You keep trying to bring subsidized housing into this discussion, and you make some good points honestly but I didn’t take the OP meme to be about that.

Artificial constraints on supply are the principle reason rents are rising and housing is becoming unaffordable (or nearly-unaffordable) in many cities, even to people with relatively well-paying jobs.

There are plenty of projects that would be viable if the zoning restrictions were lifted, no subsidies required.

That is all I popped in to say.
VagabondSouffle
0 ups, 5y
Yeah, check out the latest skyline of Manhattan. There's 4 residential toothpicks 4X the height of the Empire State Building jutting up. High rents too.

Disgusting.
VagabondSouffle
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
$2500 where, Central Park West?

What you're saying makes sense, except NYC is a bad example. Gentrification, accompanied by rising rents, is forcing those who stuck it out in the bad ol' 70s to leave.

Landlords are warehousing vacated apts, holding out for those who can afford jacked up rents or to empty out the building so it can be then be turned into condos or co ops. 

I haven't been Downtown in years, all once I loved is gone. In addition to a Starbucks and the Gap on every other block, empty storefronts are taking over, landlords holding out for high end chains and whatnot. Manhattan has been getting transformed into a rich-only zone, yet those who came for the atmosphere are finding a place being stripped of character, soul.
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1 up, 5y
I'm not familiar enough with the town to be as specific as you. My wife has an actor friend that gave her that number some years ago. I've only visited a few times and wasn't impressed.  The food though...that was good.  I must have been there on garbage day. Shit was stacked up on the curbs everywhere. They don't do that in NC.
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