But That's None Of My Business

Reminds me of this meme I found on r/dogelore.

Wow you have done well, even more of a shit storm on this one. Congratulations.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/white-supremacists-favorite-myths-about-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study

Yeah, and SPLC is SOOOO reliable and not at all a hate group themselves. Quoting them is like quoting the KKK on studies about black IQ levels.

The article is citing statistics directly from the U.S. Department of Justice ya moron. Is the DOJ a hate group?

Here’s the link within the article you didn’t bother to click

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

Well, somebody must have pissed in your corn flakes this morning, you're not usually unintelligent enough to resort to namecalling... and childish namecalling at that. Barely a step above "doodoohead".

I never called the DOJ's motives into question, only the SPLC's.

From your SPLC link: "White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics in order to claim that nonwhite minorities, particularly African-Americans, are far more crime-prone and the source of most violent crime against whites."

Now, while I'm no white supremacist, and don't subscribe to their newsletters or subreddits, I have /never once/ heard /anyone/ claim that black people are the source of most violent crimes against white people... unless perhaps they're using adjusted percentages, a per-capita basis?

I mean, from the DOJ study: "In the majority of violent victimizations, white victims’ offenders were white (57%)." That leaves 43% non-white, close to half.

Black people make up 13-15% of the US population, and white people make up about 61%. If 13% of the population accounts for close to half the violent crimes committed against white people, imagine what the percentage would be if the population were evenly split, especially given the way the flames of racial hatred are being stoked by the left.

Your first reply was dismissive and moronic. Equating the SPLC to the KKK is moronic. The SPLC isn't a "hate" group no matter how much you dislike them. They cited a DOJ study accurately.

Blacks are far less wealthy than whites -- I think I recall reading that black families actually have *negative* net wealth on average. They missed out on a lot of generational wealth-building during the time of slavery and Jim Crow, and the American economy has grown increasingly unequal and immobile in the decades since Jim Crow ended. It's no secret blacks are incarcerated at higher rates than whites. If blacks are drawn to a life of crime at greater rates than other racial groups, then it's probably because they don't have many other options.

Unless you have a better theory?

We need to end the war on drugs and curtail other "victimless" crimes, and invest substantially in black neighborhoods and schools.

Unless you have a better solution?

" If blacks are drawn to a life of crime at greater rates than other racial groups, then it's probably because they don't have many other options."

So you agree with the DOJ statistics that Blacks commit violent crimes at a much higher rate than other races.

Perhaps if you stopped just looking at blacks and measured the statistics via socio-economic levels., i.e. the rate of crime in poverty stricken areas verses not. You'll find that less white people are poor, but the percentages of poor white people committing crime are pretty close to what poor blacks do.

KYLIEFAN was saying that it is a white supremacist talking point that blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than whites by population.

My point was that his statement is statistical wrong. Blacks most certainly do commit violent crime at a higher rate per population than whites do.

BTW, there are more poor white people by number than poor black people, so I am not sure about your statement that the crime rate is similar. I will have to research crime rates by socio-economic levels.

Not exactly, Perspicacity. The OP meme was about "black-on-black crime." I responded with stats about "white-on-white" (and other race-on-other race) crime. We were having a discussion about relative rates of crime; neither I nor the OP memer made any claim about overall rates.

I do think it's a white supremacist talking-point to focus relentlessly on "black-on-black crime" without the context that all race groups commit crimes against themselves at greater rates.

Now: If you want to talk overall rates of crime, I would echo Pascalean's comments about socio-economic status being the driving factor, and this is borne out across racial groups as well. Blacks have much lower wealth overall than whites and so it makes sense more of them would feel pressured to resort to crime. That doesn't necessarily mean that, all other things being equal, blacks are more violent or criminal.

I have been doing some research on this since you and Pascalean both brought up socio-economic issues are a driving force.

What I have found is that no matter what statistic you look at, Black are over-represented in the commission of a violent crime and especially homicide.

For instance, while only 12% of the population is black, 52.5% of all homicides are committed by blacks.

If we look at all violent crimes, in general, we see that Whites, who are 62% of the population commit 50.2% of all violent crimes. Hispanics who are 17% of the population commit 14% of all violent crimes. Blacks who are 12% of the population commit 21.7% of all violent crime.

Now, I agree that the over-representation of Blacks committing a crime is NOT race-related, in that Blacks are not inherently more violent. However, it is not as simple as saying it is because of poverty. Hispanic's have a similar poverty rate as blacks, yet are under-represented in all areas of violent crime.

I think poverty has something to do with, but I believe it is a broader black cultural issue.

We need to look at other cultural issues that may contribute to this. Things like single-parent households. While 26% of white children and 41% of Hispanic children are raised in a single-parent household, 76% of black children are raised in a single-parent household.

You also have the issue of generational welfare. In White and Hispanic communities, the next generation tends to do better than the previous generations. While it is uncommon to see multiple generations of Whites or Hispanics in the same household on welfare, it is not uncommon to see three and four generations of Blacks on welfare. In the U.S. Blacks account for 39.8% of all welfare recipients while only 12% of the population. Hispanics are 15.7% of welfare recipients while 17% of the population. Blacks and Hispanics have about the same percentage of people living below the poverty line.

It is my opinion that more than poverty, the moral acceptance of birth out of wedlock and the destigmatization of being on welfare by the Black community has been detrimental to the Black community.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

https://brandongaille.com/welfare-statistics-by-race-state-and-payment/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/

I'm not a fan of the war on drugs, but just ending it, capitulating to move on to "more important issues" is a colossal mistake. Drugs are rotting our nation from within, and are hardly victimless. This is especially true when you consider the violence and coercive acts committed to supply the drugs.

Marijuana at least is quite safe but has resulted in a lot of unnecessary convictions. I fully support the move by many states toward decriminalization/full legalization.

Other countries have experimented with decriminalizing all drugs, including the harder drugs, and they've seen a reduction in associated death, disease, and crime rates. See: Portugal. https://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/matters-of-substance/may-2013/drugs-are-legal-portugal/

Portugal can still impose civil fines for those caught with drugs over a certain amount and order users into addiction treatment.

Decriminalization rather than full legalization of the harder drugs seems to be the best compromise approach to this tough problem.

We'll have to disagree on this point. Marijuana is not safe, anymore than cigarettes are. THC has been proven to be psychoactive and addictive. It's toxic effects are thought to be masked by the beneficial effects of CBD oils in MJ. Some people possess a genetic variant that together with MJ smoking can lead to psychotic episodes, and for those with this variant who began smoking as a teen the odds are 1 in 6. I could go on.

Most of this comes from a semainar I attended last year. I could list references, but my experience here is that providing references does help to persuade or convince. It just becomes troll provender.

As for "Other countries" -- just because some thing works somewhere else is no guarantee that it will work everywhere. Android apps don't work on an iPhone, because the systems are different. Similarly, the US system varies from those of other countries in many ways. If all other things were equal -- but they are not.

It’s somewhere on par with cigarettes and alcohol, both of which we permit. Plenty of evidence suggests it’s not as bad as alcohol.

That Marijuana has been listed for so long as a Schedule 1 alongside heroin, and actually above notable schedule II drugs like meth, cocaine and fentanyl, is insane.

THAT I can fully agree with. It's completely ridiculous. That's basically implying you have more to fear from a pothead than you do from a crackhead.

eyyy we should try and curb that murder rate

Just think, if, by the numbers and not statistics, African Americans would be extinct in the US is just a couple of generations. Whites would have a solid footing although they have over 10% of the abortions in the country while their birth rate is 4 times as high. (source: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa_abortion_by_race.html)

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That statistic was debunked and it's only held onto as an excuse to be racist. Don't lie.

Sorry, but you are wrong, and facts don't care about your feelings.

According to the DOJ crime statistics, Black people commit 52.5% of all homicides in the U.S. 93% of all black people murdered are killed by another black person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

As far as the statement on abortion, while abortions are declining, Black women still have a higher rate of abortions than any other race. According to the Guttmacher Institute, Balck Women have abortions at a rate of 27/1000, while White Women have a rate of 10/1000.

https://www.guttmacher.org/infographic/2017/abortion-rates-race-and-ethnicity

Makes sense since Planned Parenthood came about because of Margaret Sanger who worked with black leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. More recently, there have been undercover PP patrons who exposed their bias toward terminating births of black children.

No, these statistics are factual. Maybe if you just plug your ears, hide your head under a pillow, and scream you won't get hurt by them.

Listen, it's obvious your just trying to find an excuse to demonize African Americans. Don't lie to me.

I did not make a judgement and I am not demonizing Black People. I do not dislike anyone, black or otherwise.

I only pointed out that the statistics show that your statement was wrong.

Once again, facts don't care about your feelings.