Only the mental hate without reason

You are making the same mistake as the others, Trump doesn't give or take rights he signs policy and is in charge of foreign affairs. Your real issue is with the so called experts that decided bump stocks were dangerous. Politics is a give and take world, Trump makes deals. Dems take more and openly admit they will use force to do it. That is what you should worry about, tyrants do not stop until dead.

No, actually my issue is not with un-named "so called experts". my issue is that your meme implies that you can't hate Trump unless he took away someone's rights...which you then state he cannot do...which basically means there is no possible reason for someone to logically hate Trump...which is absurd. There are many valid reasons one might have for hating Trump.

I also take issue with your claim that "Trump makes deals" (implying that they are good)... I also have an issue with a random person from the internet trying to tell me what my real issue is....... but ya I think that's enough for now.

Go back to your safe space and leave politics to the adults

That moment when a Trump supporter tells you to leave politics to the adults.
Lol

The kid got jokes, you win an extra helping of SpaghettiOs.

Before the donald was running for president he was tweeting about that girl from Twilight..give him the spaghettiOs. I heard he actually enjoys eating sh*t food.

Entry is not a right but you are welcome

All of congress agrees

Yeppers, I remember fast and furious, arming Mexican drug gangs, giving billions to iran, crashing the housing market and covering for pedophiles, criminals, terrorists and worse political friends. Of wait that was the last guy. Well Trump still owes you big, the impeachment scam spent hundreds of millions over three years and found nothing but you know something and are keeping to yourself, way to go shurlock.

So. I don't understand your premise. You must love Trump because he hasn't taken "something" from you?

That you must support Trump because he hasn't taken "something" from you in some obvious and material fashion?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Have an adult read it to you slowly.

I did and they said "That boy ain't got no sense." And, yes, they assumed. This is the south, after all.

Trans are banned from service.

https://media.defense.gov/2019/Apr/15/2002116336/-1/-1/0/CIM_1000_13A.PDF

Veterans of Mexican heritage that were allegedly illegal immigrants were deported despite ICE’s failure to consider their service to our country.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/699549.pdf

HAHHAHA, YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THEM!

Trans in the military: From the FIRST PAGE:

"The updated policy allows for continued service of all individuals regardless of gender identity so long as the individual is able to meet the stringent physical, mental, or behavioral standards required for military service."

IT SAYS THEY'RE ALLOWED!

And the veterans document ALSO contradicts your statement:

"Consistent implementation of its policies would help ICE better ensure that veterans receive appropriate levels of review before they are placed in removal proceedings."

IT SAYS THEY ARE TO RECEIVE APPROPRIATE LEVELS OF REVIEW!

Save your breath, no one has a right to join or expect the military to pay for expensive operations. 10% of the US can't even meet the basic IQ standards, I think you spent today arguing with one of them.

No one is arguing that the Military should pay for gender affirming surgery. Nor am I arguing those who can't meet basic IQ standards should serve. I'm saying discrimination policies against transgenders conflict with your OP.

It doesn't matter if you agree with those policies. Rights have been taken. Your political meme is false.

Wrong, Trump didn't take away anyone rights, what right grants anyone the right to serve? Discrimination is in your imagination, what right does any of us have to expect others to welcome our life choices? The military will not pay for the surgery and why should they? The should also drop anyone serving going through the surgery no matter who is paying for it. The process takes away a soldier, it doesn't strengthen the force and it doesn't need to happen. The real issue is transgenders want special treatment just because they are transgender, sorry cupcakes that is not what service is about. The meme is spot on, MAGA!

No, the discrimination is on paper for all to read, who want to read it.

Your questions are irrelevant and have nothing to do with what I stated. No one is asking them to pay for any surgery. No one is expecting you to welcome their life choices. I even argued that those who went through surgery MIGHT not be able to serve, but of course, you ignored that. You'd rather be argumentative than concede a point. Transgenders are already getting that special treatment by going through unnecessary discriminatory procedurals.

The meme is flawed. More so than most partisan political memes. Possibly dangerously so because it willfully ignores the harm our government is doing to it's citizens. And the fact you find it necessary to regurgitate cheap propaganda slogans proves you are complacent with other citizens losing their rights as long as they do not effect your own.

Not to mention the veterans who are not just being stripped of their rights, but their citizenship as well.

They aren't stripped of citizenship. They never took the necessary steps to become citizens.

Fighting for our country should be enough than any bureaucratic steps to become citizens.

The key to your comment is “should be”. But it isn’t, thus, no citizenship to take away.

It is if the government believes a person's citizenship is an alleged forgery... and it isn't.

Again, the key phrase is “and it isn’t”. But when it is a forgery, there was no citizenship to take away.

You're right about one thing. The key phrase is "and it isn't" And when it isn't, citizenship is being taken away.

This isn't about being right. This is about the government choosing to take away the rights of people who live here. Have lived here for decades. They are friends and family. They are as American as you and me. The only difference is where they were born. And the fact they were willing to fight for our country, even more makes it egregious for their rights to be taken away.

And some of us are a little too okay with it just because it isn't happening to them.

But it isn't. There is a process that MUST be undertaken to become a citizen of the USA. Military service makes that process a lot easier, but service alone is not the only thing to be done to obtain citizenship.

It's like taking the driving test, but never completing the paperwork. As much as you might deserve it - you don't have a license to drive.

Or...it's like building a bin to compost shit. If Jack takes a shit on your front porch, but you don't put it in the compost - you've got Jack shit.

So, you're going to ignore my point that some people who are being deported, as Veterans, had false documentation. They thought they were US Citizens at the time they served. The Military approved them for service. This is not a black and white case of, they were immigrants, they broke the law, they go to jail.

I'm also accusing our government of suspending due process for actual US citizens suspected of being illegal immigrants through false documentation. But lets just say our government is right, even though they have a margin of error here.

Allowing illegal immigrants who unwittingly had false documentation, because they've lived here since they were small children and had no idea that documentation was false until after their teens, their twenties, their thirties, etc. That's the problem that most people who wholeheartedly support Trump's Zero Tolerance immigration policy without question fail to realize the damage it's done to people who served honorably. Falsely accused or not.

That because either their parents, or the people they acquired their citizenship from lied to them, these people who served are country can now be dishonorably discharged for other people breaking the law at their expense. And at the expense of those falsely accused or rightly so, our government ignores their right to citizenship even though they risked their life for our country.

These veterans fought for your freedom and our government is deporting them despite their service. You should be furious. But you aren't because Trump hasn't told you to be furious about it.

For someone who is not a citizen by birth, Citizenship is a privilege, not a right.

If a non-citizen serves in the military, they are given preferred status in applying for citizenship. Citizenship is not automatically conferred just because they served.

The few people who served and then were deported never took the necessary steps to apply for citizenship. The fault lies with them, not the government.

No, it is no one's fault to be born in a different country. It is no one's fault if they're the victim of a lie that they were citizens. It is no one's fault if the government suddenly decides their citizenship is forfeit because they suspect their birth certificate is fraudulent.

There was about 40 pages there in each link. Did you only read the first page or did you stop there?

So you expect the documents to contradict themselves?

If you read your summaries again, you'll find that they don't actually contradict the overall document. There is a huge IF in the transgender policy.

"So long as (IF) the individual is able to meet the stringent physical, mental, or behavioral "standards" required for military service."

They go on to detail those "standards" as that anyone who has a history of being diagnosed with gender dysphoria but haven't undergone hormone therapy or gender affirming surgery must "demonstrate" a 36-month period of stability in their biological sex. And those who have undergone hormone therapy or gender affirming surgery are disqualified from service.

"Consistent implementation of its policies "would help" ICE better ensure that veterans receive appropriate levels of review before they are placed in removal proceedings."

Indeed they are suppose to receive appropriate levels of review, but they did not because of inconsistencies in implementation of policies.

So you think it's a good idea to admit soldiers who can't meet the physical requirements to be a soldier?

And you're going to blame Trump for ICE agents NOT following policy?

I'm sure you identify as being intelligent.

Both points are irrelevant. My point is, Trump's policies have resulted in people's rights being removed.

However, I'll entertain your questions.

If transgendered individuals have to submit additional physical requirements, then that policy is discriminatory in nature. Can a transgender train and serve with their biological sex without a 36-month evaluation? Absolutely. Can a transgender serve if they are under hormonal treatment? Without a doubt. Can a transgender serve if they have undergone gender affirming surgery? I don't know. My guess? Probably not? It seems to me if anyone deserves a 36-month physical evaluation, it is someone whose gone through gender affirming surgery but that's just my opinion. If they can meet the physical requirements, despite this, then yes, they deserve to serve.

As for ICE, they are following Trump's policy. There was nothing in it about illegal immigrants who were veterans. Or rather, there was no protocol to check that illegal immigrants were veterans.

"Additionally, ICE has not developed a policy to identify and document all military veterans it encounters during interviews, and in cases when agents and officers do learn they have encountered a veteran, ICE does not maintain complete electronic data. Therefore, ICE does not have reasonable assurance that it is consistently implementing its policies for handling veterans’ cases."

Trump exacerbated things when he repealed DACA, increased Obama's immigration deportation policy to include misdemeanors, and increasing investigations concerning allegedly fraudulent birth certificates obtained inside the country to otherwise legal residents of southern border states.

No one has a right to join any branch of the military. Reality is simple, anyone that needs 36 months to get it is not fit to serve. The military has two jobs, kill people and break things. A 36 month weak link endangers everyone. The never Trumper's and he is not my President crowds are not fit to serve either and they don't need 36 months. Trump doesn't make military policy, someone decided the military should grandfather people serving and refuse the rest because they were not cost effective to train and maintain. Trump is Commander in Chief all he can do is sign a policy he agrees with or not sign it.

DACA was never legal anyway and I wish they would deport the rest of them. We have immigration laws, those should be enforced nothing else matters.

There are programs in place to earn citizenship through service, it doesn't include cousins, uncles etc, those relatives can join or go home, that was never Trump's policy but i think it still stands.

Again, the 36 month evaluation is for people who have only been diagnosed. They have not been through hormonal therapy nor surgery. There is no reason to submit them through this process other then to remove them. It has nothing to do with cost, nor does that mean they don't have the physical or psychological capacity to serve. That's what basic training is for. Weeding out the weak links.

DACA is as legal as any other executive order. Trump didn't have to dismantle it even if it was essentially a Band-Aid on a busted pipe. He could've kept DACA in place and continued to force Congress to resolve the immigration crisis with actual amendments. Instead, Trump made a bad situation worse.

There are indeed programs in place to earn citizenship. No one is disputing that. The problem with some veterans who are also illegal immigrants is that they DON'T KNOW they're illegal immigrants. Some have papers, documentation, birth certificates and social security cards. All of these are being considered fraudulent if they are of Mexican heritage. Some make it through basic training, are deployed, come home, and then are being arrested by ICE. That's the problem. Due to stricter regulations and policies under Trump, Veterans are being deported and not granted automatic citizenship. Nor is ICE keeping a record nor consistent policy in what to do with illegal immigrants that served our country.

Regardless of what you think of illegal immigrants, those who served in our military absolutely have the right to citizenship. They earned it.

"If transgendered individuals have to submit additional physical requirements, then that policy is discriminatory in nature."

Men and women already have separate physical requirements, isn't that discriminatory too? If transgenders are mid-transition, they presumably don't meet the standard physical parameters of /either/ gender.

"Can a transgender serve if they are under hormonal treatment? Without a doubt."

I would say there's a /big/ doubt there, since their body chemistry is completely messed up due to the treatment.

"It seems to me if anyone deserves a 36-month physical evaluation, it is someone whose gone through gender affirming surgery but that's just my opinion. If they can meet the physical requirements, despite this, then yes, they deserve to serve."

Not if they don't also meet the /psychological/ requirements, and the psychological condition of most transgenders is /at least/ as serious as most of the mental disorders one can be disqualified for, some of which are listed here;

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-medical-standards-for-enlistment-and-commission-3354046

Simple clinical depression is disqualifying, as are several forms of anxieties, and even simple phobias. That's not even getting into the more serious disorders like psychopathy.

"Men and women already have separate physical requirements, isn't that discriminatory too?"

It is. However, neither are barred from immediate service due to their gender. Furthermore, women do not have additional requirements in order to serve, but transgenders do. Arguably that makes this more discriminatory and disconcerting.

"I would say there's a /big/ doubt there, since their body chemistry is completely messed up due to (hormonal treatment)."

From what I understand, the effect of hormone treatment is marginal, and arguably doesn't affect their physical and mental capabilities enough to justify the exemption from service. Theoretically, if women can serve in the military, then transwomen certainly can... as well as transmen serving if men can. Am I arguing that they should be exempt from their biological gender's standards due to their potential different body chemistry? No. Can they fail to meet their biological gender's physical requirements? Absolutely. Do I have a problem with the Military holding them to their biological gender's physical requirements? No.

My only disagreement is using their diagnosis of gender dysphoria as grounds for ineligibility from service. Transgenders should be held to the same standards as their biological genders without further restrictions to bar them from service.

"Not if they don't also meet the /psychological/ requirements"

I already said that. "If they can meet the physical requirements, despite (hormone therapy and gender affirming surgery), then yes, they deserve to serve."

The same goes with the psychological requirements. Excluding them solely for gender dysphoria is arguably grounds for discrimination. If there is already an expulsion precedent regarding clinical depression and most people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria have that, then that alone should be the only eliminating factor when it comes to whether or not they fail to meet the psychological standard for serving in the Military.

People are barred from service for far less serious medical and psychological reasons. I mean jeez, whether or not you believe the condition was genuine or "bought", Trump got denied for simple bone spurs.

Hell, an ingrown toenail can keep you out of the military. And males can be kept out for missing one or both testicles. (for reasons that have nothing to do with transgenderism or gender dysphoria, that is).

Keep in mind, I'm not arguing that transgenders who have undergone gender affirming surgery should be allowed to serve. True, I think if they're capable of passing the physical, despite that surgery, they should be allowed to serve. I honestly don't know/remember if the military bars other types of surgeries. I suppose I'll put it on the list of things to research when I have spare time.

I can't be sure, but I do think other types of cosmetic surgeries besides transgender surgeries can keep you out of the military, but I think it depends if there is an underlying psychological issue behind those surgeries as well. (Which some doctors are unethical enough to ignore and go ahead with the surgeries anyways, like Plastic Surgery Addiction or Body Dysmorphic Disorder.)

Also, rationalizing the taking away of rights doesn't negate the fact that rights were taken away.