They are only being prevented from illegally entering our country.

You really don’t know much about illegal immigration do you.
All of those things are what illegal immigrants coming across our southern border do in order to live In the US without going through legal channels.

They trespass, not only sneaking across the border in general but also crossing private property. I should have added littering to the list because of all the trash they leave along the way.
In order to get a job, they use fake and/or stollen identities.
Bribery is another tactic used to get pass law enforcement and get work.
Coyotes often use them as drug mules, packing loads of illegal drugs as they come across the border.
And the entire process is to evade the law.

They do these same things in their home country, not because of their race but because of the culture where they live. So, when you say my comment is racist, it shows that YOU are the real racist because you attribute these things to a race of people instead of the culture where they come from.

yasssssss, ok that's all i had to say.

You know what. I give up. Your not a racist. All you belive is that the Refugees culture is atfault, which is more bigotry, but still So yeah. I give up. This is pointless

Duh, of course their culture (aka “social norm” or “way of life” as you call it) is at fault. That’s why the government of their home country is so corrupt and why its economy cannot support them.

If we continue to turn a blind eye to constant violations of immigration law and if our government leaders continue to care more about power than what’s good for the country, we’ll be in the same situation.

So perhaps it would fit the second use of the word. But I was clearly reffering to the fact that their cultures don't encourage the way of life of some of these people. Its just the world that they were brought up in, and while it would effect their culture, a culture is so much more than just a way of life. And thats why I think you saying that their culture is at fault is bs. Am I to lool at the fact that african-Americans are more likely to commit crime and say that their /culture/ is at fault?

"So those fedora tipping atheists that hate Christian are racist?"

"a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another."

I feel like saying a culture is encouraging crime is a form of Prejudice. So perhaps my definition is lacking

I mean look at what he is saying. He saying that they are bringing drugs and crime. I am nkt arguing that they aren't braking the law. But entering a country illegally doesn't mean your /culture/ is bad just that you yourself broke the law. Am I to look at african-American crime rates and say that blacks are more criminally inclinded because if their /culture/? If thats not racism. I don't know what is.

Third world countries have problems. I think what he means is that alot of people are shaped by experiences from where they come from. I don't think he said all their culture is bad. Maybe there was miscommunication? I mean you said their home country's ideology were failures. Some here would say that's racist, not that it is.

"I think what he means is that alot of people are shaped by experiences from where they come from"

I too think he meant that, but he said:

"They do these same things in their home country, not because of their race but because of the culture where they live."

“experiences from where they come from” and “the culture where they live”. I fail to see how one of these is “racist” and the other isn’t.

I live and work among many Hispanics. They are the ones who tell me how things like bribery and theft are just business in their home country. It’s a cultural norm in /many/ cultures, not just in Central and South America.

Says the racist who has no argument.

"Wrong again, that’s called “bigotry”."

Well, guess your a bigot then

" I’m saying these people come from a culture (or “societal norm” as you call it) where certain types of crime that we don’t (or shouldn’t) tolerate in the US is a way of life."

Thats not culture. Thats a way of life. They might commit crime, but they do acknowledge that what they are doing is bang.

bad*

“Well, guess your a bigot then”
“Thats not culture. Thats a way of life. They might commit crime, but they do acknowledge that what they are doing is bad.”

Yes, I’m bigoted toward people who knowingly commit crimes as a way of life and justify doing so by “acknowledging” what they are doing is bad.

So what you’re saying is Latin Americans illegally cross the border and are let go from detention centers with orders to return for their trial, but don’t return, do it as a way of life. You sound like a racist to me.

"You’re grasping at straws"

Sure does seem like solid rope from here

"What word are you talking about?"

Racist or racism is a catch all term used to describe discrimination, hate and what not against specific groups of people, but nit dependant on race. So you can, for example, still be a racist if you hate Muslims as a religous group.

"Please show me where I said “Latin Americans”"

So I assume most Refugees entering the US illegally from the south are Chinese... Really who /are/ you talking about if your not talking about latin americans?

"Once again your racism makes you assume I was talking about a specific race."

So you were generally talking about refugees bringing with them Drugs and Crimea? And they just so happen to be from Latin America? A likely story

"I know the truth hurts but Denial isn’t a river in Egypt."

Ha. Good one

"Only when the stereotype is attributed to a specific race."

Of course it is. Why wouldn't it

" But carrying drugs across the border as payment to coyotes is specific to the illegal immigrants crossing"

Okay. So how many illegals do that? Not many as far as I am aware. The last big such op was done by the Zetas and they are gone.

"illegal acts like this is so common in their home country it is part of their culture"

Yeah no. Its bad. But not this bad

"Once again I never said that nor implied it"

"illegal acts like this is so common in their home country it is part of their culture"

Hmmmmm

"Now you’re claiming that I don’t like refugees?"

No I was thinking if something else. It was a bad joke.

"That’s not racist, it’s fact."

Lets quickly review the state of our disscusion:

Your saying that Illegal immigrants are doing illegal acts due to their culture. And most illegals in tge souther border are latin american so that implies tgat you are imply that latin american culture encourages illegal acts and thats whats so racist about it.

"It’s just proof that you don’t have one."

Well my entire argument is that Latin American culture doesn't encourage breaking the law

Oh, wait? So those fedora tipping atheists that hate Christian are racist?

What's next? Racism = power and privilege?

I wish you guys would stop trying to redefine words.

“Racist or racism is a catch all term used to describe discrimination, hate and what not against specific groups of people, but nit dependant on race. So you can, for example, still be a racist if you hate Muslims as a religous group. “

Wrong again, that’s called “bigotry”.

"Your saying that Illegal immigrants are doing illegal acts due to their culture. And most illegals in tge souther border are latin american so that implies tgat you are imply that latin american culture encourages illegal acts and thats whats so racist about it.”

Wrong again. I’m saying these people come from a culture (or “societal norm” as you call it) where certain types of crime that we don’t (or shouldn’t) tolerate in the US is a way of life. They commit those and other crimes in order to enter the US. They don’t just suddenly become law abiding residents (which is impossible because staying here is committing a crime) who respect and abide by our rules. They can’t legally do things like get a drivers license, SSN, or TIN, and they can’t get a job, auto insurance, etc without continually breaking the law. That’s the “culture” or “societal norms” or whatever you want to call it that I’m talking about.

Since you have no valid counter argument, you have to try to demonize the facts by calling it “racists or “racism” - terms you clearly don’t understand since you repeatedly misuse them.

"They do these same things in their home country, not because of their race but because of the culture where they live."

In only the strictest use of the word

"My comment neither discriminates against or targets a specific race of people."

No. You specifically said Latin Americans commit crime because of their culture

"But when you assume that the group of people are all the same race and that the only reason they are apprehended for committing a crime is because of their race"

Are you trying to make a strawman? Not even the crows are impressed

"Over generalization of a trait to an entire group is called a “stereotype”,"

Steryotyping is a symptom of Racism

"And what I said was hardly over generalization"

No it was. You said that all ilegals bring drugs and such. And that its because if their culture, which seems like a pretty big generalization to me.

"Are you saying illegal immigrants crossing our southern border aren’t committing crimes? "

Again. That would be a strawman. What I am saying is that you think that Latin American refugees illegally enter the "us of we don't like refugees" because of their culture, which is pretty uninformed.

“In only the strictest use of the word”
What word are you talking about?

“No. You specifically said Latin Americans commit crime because of their culture”
Please show me where I said “Latin Americans”. Once again your racism makes you assume I was talking about a specific race.

“Are you trying to make a strawman? Not even the crows are impressed”
I know the truth hurts but Denial isn’t a river in Egypt.

“Stereotyping is a symptom of Racism”
Only when the stereotype is attributed to a specific race.

"You said that all ilegals bring drugs and such. And that its because if their culture, which seems like a pretty big generalization to me.”
What I said was “All of these things . . .” Meaning that the things listed are all done by illegal immigrants, not “all illegal immigrants doMthem”. But I see how you could be confused and, yes, other people do them too. Some illegals don’t do any of them, such as those who overstay visas. But carrying drugs across the border as payment to coyotes is specific to the illegal immigrants crossing our southern border. Participating in illegal acts like this is so common in their home country it is part of their culture. Not that I wouldn’t do the same if I were in their situation.

“Again. That would be a strawman. What I am saying is that you think that Latin American refugees illegally enter the "us of we don't like refugees" because of their culture, which is pretty uninformed.”
Once again I never said that nor implied it. Now you’re claiming that I don’t like refugees? Talk about overgeneralization . . .

You’re really straining to find a way to link my argument to racism. Yes, most of the illegal immigrants crossing our southern border are Latin Americans. That’s not racist, it’s fact. Trying to twist that fact into a racist commentary isn’t going to win you the argument. It’s just proof that you don’t have one.

Especially when your point was debunked.

You just proved that you don’t know what racism is.

Discriminating against a specific group of people is only racism when the group is a specific race and the discrimination is because of their race. My comment neither discriminates against or targets a specific race of people. But when you assume that the group of people are all the same race and that the only reason they are apprehended for committing a crime is because of their race, it makes YOU a racist.

Over generalization of a trait to an entire group is called a “stereotype”, not racism. And what I said was hardly over generalization. It was fact. You just don’t like the facts and have no argument to counter them so you play the default liberal “race card”.

“At the very least misinformed”
What exactly am I misinformed about? Are you saying illegal immigrants crossing our southern border aren’t committing crimes? Then you’re the one who is misinformed.

Oh, I see. You don’t know the meaning of racism. That explains a lot.

Still have no argument I see.

You’re grasping at straws.