What happens when you raise to your highest level of incompetency.

You don't even now if she is capable yet can we wait until she's in office before declaring her a failure

Have you listened to her? She is way out of her league. She doesn't know how the government works, she doesn't know anything about economics, and she keeps putting her foot in her mouth.

I am also interested why when she got to DC she was very vocally against Pelosi and now all of a sudden she is Nancy's best buddy?

i'm sorry if all your politicians said what you wanted to hear before cortez came long.

That is how I determine if I support a politician or not. I am not going to support someone whose values I don't agree with.

Unlike some, I don't support someone because they are the same gender, race, or sexual orientation as I am.

what happened to values over people?

Yeah, I don't agree with her values either.

turtle on walmart pole

Why are so many on here women haters. You call this woman dumb, have you seen her educational background? Just because she has politics you don't like and she comes from a poor background doesn't justify the personal and misogynist attacks.

Why do you think I hate women and that I am misogynistic? You don't know me, you have no evidence, yet you make an accusation that is totally unfounded.

As for her coming from a poor background, her father was an architect and she grew up Yorktown Heights in Westchester County, NY., It is 90.49% white and has a median household income of $137,000.

This is a typical response from the left. When you have no facts, always use an ad hominem.
My meme has nothing to do with her gender, nor does it imply any gender. My opinion is purely based on the things she has been quoted as saying. She simply does not come across as being very smart, despite going to Boston College. There is a difference between being intelligent and being educated. Education does not convey intelligence.

I'm not of the left and I am not a liberal, but it's fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain that she is attacked on her looks, the way she speaks and because she is a woman, rather than being judged on what policies she supports. This mean is a perfect example, of which there are many on this site, using a picture to make her look stupid.

She achieved more in her few years than most here will achieve in their lifetime, including getting elected, so yes I see the petty jealously and misogyny on this site.

She isn't attacked on her looks or because she is a woman, she's attacked by what she says and how stupid it is

Well plainly by her education and what she has achieved so far in life is not the result of being stupid. You might need to revisit a dictionary and understand what that word means.

I notice you changing how dumb her comments are to how dumb she is rather that addressing what is actually said, also, sadly a college degree doesn't prove someone's intelligence.

I think your problem is with her polices not whether she is smart or dumb. However, it seems enough people voted for her in the area she represents, so she will be around for a while. I haven't listen to what she has said, (not being American it doesn't affect me) but I know an attack on a politician for the crime of being a woman when I see one.

So you have admitted to not knowing the basics of the complaints or looked into the facts on the subject and then claim to know something that is just your own subjective perception. You really cannot "know" if the attack is because she is female, you just feel or suspect it is. And she made very basic errors on a great many subject in which she is supposed to be educated on. Enough that I cannot she how she can make such errors as many should just be common sense or basic knowledge. Basically anyone that made so many profound mistakes will have people honestly questioning their intelligence.

No not at all, I don't suspect the misogynist nature of the attacks, I see them.Then again with Trump as your President, then it seems dumb starts at the top and works its way all the way down...

No, you suspect as you have no way to be certain. But nice of you to try personal attacks and ignore your own standards to attack Trump. As such you have demonstrated blatant biases on multiple levels used in the place of facts and reason.

Trump has proved he is dumb over and over again, he also lies on a regular basis. There is so much evidence it is not my opinion it is just fact!

I didn't say whether Trump was dumb or not, I pointed out your argument applies to Trump as well so you have a nice double standard.

And you are a perfect example of why conservatives say that the only argument liberals have is to accuse you of misogyny or racism. Nowhere in that meme was "she's a woman" given as a reason she isn't supposed to be there, yet did you argue any of the thngs that WERE there? No. You just accused him of misogyny.

and you are a perfect reason why some people feel marginalised in American society. 'Your honour as a Police Officer the reason I have shot dead 5 blacks in my career is not because they are black, but because I thought they were criminals' Judge, "Well that may be the case, but there is no case on your record of you shooting dead a white suspect and I find it hard to believe that is just a coincidence'

Kek

Seriously, folks. The exact same meme can be made about Trump. Like, exactly. Just change the picture, name, and pronouns.

And echoing Moza - unlike Trump, she actually has some experience in government, and has a degree that's actually useful in Congress. Hate on her all you like, but she's way more qualified for her job than he is for his.

Wait, so you're saying someone who's not at all qualified for a position and who currently contradicts almost every political stance he's had in the past can still do a great job?

Tell me again what you have against Ocasio-Cortez, who is under-qualified and whose inconsistencies are minor in comparison.

How is an accomplished billionaire such an idiot? How come you aren't a billionaire? Unqualified, he doesn't use crayons to draw red lines in the sand like a community organizer. He didn't govern over a tanking economy that put millions on welfare and drove millions out of the work force. He hasn't had any missile launches over Japan for a while, he signed legislation that let's dying people get one more chance with experimental medications that are working through the FDA approval process, oh and while the media is staring at the non-criminal accusations of collusion like a Where's Waldo poster, Trump has successfully appointed hundreds of constitutional judges totally changing the face of the Judiciary Branch. Not qualified? Obama was qualified? Shooom gang

You don't appear to have any idea what a community organizer is.

I accept that you think Trump is doing a great job, and while I disagree with you, that's not the point. The point is that Trump came into the job with no educational or professional qualifications for public office in any form, let alone the presidency. Seriously, Ocasio-Cortez is more qualified for her job than Trump is. The only reason she's not more qualified for the presidency is that she's not legally allowed to have the job for a few more years (she has to be at least 35 years old).

If you want to say people who are unqualified for a position and need to learn it on the fly shouldn't hold that position, then you should probably start with the guy at the top. If you think he's doing a great job in spite of his lack of qualifications, maybe you should give other people the benefit of the doubt.

Trump attended Wharton School of Finance. What is that" Chopped liver? Trump has accomplished more than the media will ever admit, he's not where he is because he is an idiot.
You obviously don't pay attention to the idiocy that has come out of O-C's mouth, or you use the liberal excuse of "oh she misspoke, what she really meant is E-MC2, so brilliant!" Effuse effuse effuse. I don't know what a community organizer is? What is it a 5,000 page definition?
Akeller, I hate to break this to you but you are a dupe, indoctrinated ignoramus, useful idiot. I understand that you don't know what those words imply, but at least you know what a community organizer is. Not as hard as being a business organizer. Your head is in a dark place.

He went to undergraduate school at Wharton and got a degree in economics. That's mildly impressive (it would be more so if he'd gone to grad school there, which is highly selective), but even then, his education was not tailored to public service. Nothing in his classes would have prepared him for elected office. At the time, Wharton was a factory for Wall Street.

Being unqualified for a position does not make you an idiot - it just means you're not formally prepared for that particular job. For example, Neil DeGrasse Tyson (and pretty much every other scientist, frankly) is also unqualified for the presidency.

Obama's education and work as a community organizer prepared him for state politics, which prepared him for being a US Senator, which prepared him for the presidency. Should he have spent more time in all of these positions before moving up? Probably. I personally think so. However, he wasn't unqualified. O-C interned for Senator Ted Kennedy, has a degree in international relations, and worked on the Bernie campaign. All of this has prepared her for a career in politics. Is she ready to be a member of the House? On paper, not YET. She's under-qualified. Trump, on the other hand, had exactly zero government experience and no relevant education coming into the office. He was wholly unqualified for the position.

Because of this, you arguing that Trump is doing a great job is simultaneously discrediting the points made in the original post.

Such unnecessary anger. I'm not attacking you, dude; take it down a skosh. I'd wager your head is in a darker place than mine at the moment.

You are extremely condescending, might work on that. Your current arrogance brings out the worst in people to match your repulsive deslusion of grandeur.
As for Trump, I met the man twice when he came to a project I managed. He personally met and spoke with the 30 plus people on the project. A month later when he returned he addressed every person by name and asked about the well being of one person's infant son who was going in for major surgery shortly after his first visit. He is not the man the media portrays him as. He is extremely intelligent, personable, humble and respectful and decent, but he isn't the perfect little polite Republican willing to take the lies and abuse a politicized media throws at him without fighting back.
You are a partisan, you are condescending and you are ignorant beyond your capacity to recognize. O-C can adapt yet Trump is incapable? Ignorant. U. R.

Whatever you need to tell yourself, pumpkin (now THAT was condescending!). I'm not your enemy.

You have a LOT of anger rolling around your brain, and it's leaking everywhere. It's not healthy, and could end up getting you into trouble in the real world if left unchecked. Might want to work on that.

I'm done with you. Feel free to have the last word if you must.

If anyone else has been following this, I welcome an outside assessment of how this all went down and how each of us could improve how we communicate :)

Some of the least intelligent, and by that I mean practical, real world rubber hits the road intelligence have multiple graduate degrees. What advanced degree does Bill Gates have? Steve Jobs? A degree means you could complete a program, not that you can tell shirt from shinola. The people prepared for public service have spent beyond incoming revenues to the tune of $20 trillion, with unfunded liabilities (promises) in excess of $200 trillion. O-C wants to spend $20, 30 now 40 trillion dollars to give everyone Free! Obama may have been educated but he drove our economy into the ditch. Bush left office with unemployment at 4.6% and super educated Obama ran the U-6 to near 20%. And Senator Ted Kennedy? One word Chappaquiddick. Kennedy did more to destroy this nation than any single person elected in history. There's your Russian colluder, he wrote to Russian officials that he would keep Ronald Reagan from accomplishing anything, like ending the Cold War tearing down the Berlin Wall. Your sure your heroes did great jobs because you have your head in the aforementioned dark place. You made a definitive statement that "anyone who whose worked in Washington" and I have worked in DC and refute your BS. As for name calling , have some of this I've been dealt bigot, racist, misogynist, corporate shill, planet killer. None of which are true, but calling you an ignoramus is a statement of fact, as is the present location of your head. Our government was never designed to be run by specialists, it was designed to be of the people, by the people and for the people as Lincoln so aptly spoke. Now the citizens are by the permission of the government, by the government and for the betterment of the government. Kennedy! HA!

A degree means you have studied a specific subject in a collegiate setting to the faculty's satisfaction. If you have four degrees in economics, but can't tie your shoes, you're still qualified to talk about economics (provided you don't trip over your shoelaces and end up in the hospital instead).

If you want to talk about unemployment, let's have some consistency. You mentioned the U-6, so let's go with that. Bush came into office in January 2001 with a U-6 at 7.3% (a particularly low point in recent history). He left office in January of 2009, in the middle of the recession. The U-6 at that time was 14.2%, and had been skyrocketing through the year before. The U-6 continued to rise (as problems don't get fixed overnight, and the recession was a BIG problem that both Bush and Obama worked to fix), and topped out at 17.1% in October of 2009 before things started to get better (and they did, at a rapid pace). By the time Obama left office in January 2017, the U-6 was down to 9.4%, and that trend has continued through Trump's presidency to date (and about at the same rate - it was down to 7.4% in October, the lowest it's been since before 9/11).

So no, Bush did not leave the presidency with unemployment at 4.6% by ANY standard (the official unemployment rate in January 2009 was 7.8%), and the height of the unemployment rate during the Obama administration was in the first year of his presidency - it improved quickly thereafter. If you look just at the numbers and assume the president has heavy influence over the unemployment rate (eeennnnnhhh), then you'd conclude that Obama inherited a mess that hit Bush at the very end of his presidency, and ended up doing a damn fine job of getting things back on track. You'd also conclude that Trump is continuing that trend with his own methods.

You're spending an awful lot of effort bashing Kennedy, and ignoring the fact that working for a US Senator (even a shitty one) is still experience in government, something that Trump DID NOT HAVE in any form when he took office, and O-C DOES HAVE.

In our interaction here, I don't see any of those terms applying to you. You can think what you like of me; your opinion is of no consequence. It's worth pointing out, though, that it is only that - your opinion. I've gone back over our conversation here, and can't find a place where I've written anything that isn't backed up by personal experience and verifiable facts. I also haven't insulted you for disagreeing with me. DBAA

Your opinions are equally meaningless, after all this is such a powerful forum of thought. However, your rose colored glasses taint your view of the Obama legacy, which is understandable if you were part of the 80% who worked through it, I was not. One in five people suffered under Obama. For eight years. Your view of government workers as somehow more noble is pure idiocy and a form of bigotry, in that you lump them all in one class. It would be futile to ask your opinion of Lois Lerner and her uneven handed handling of right of center political organizations and her favorable treatment of left leaning political organizations. Giving you examples of people prosecuted and convicted of activity similar to Hillary Clinton on much smaller scales and of less significant impact to national security and her quid pro quo activities to sell influence will fall on your deaf ears like wasted breath. To ask you to look into the Uranium One deal where HRC approved the sale of US uranium assets to RUSSIA will casually be dismissed by you, I'm sure. To go down the complete list of criminality within the Obama Administration to the highest levels are beyond you bigoted grasp. If you treasured truth over doctrine, you would be disturbed by the conspiracy to destroy the Trump presidency from within the highest levels of the Justice Department, how the Obama Administration planted spies in the Trump campaign, I's say think about weaponizing the FBI against political foes, but you won't until you think a Republican administration has done it. The Nixon supporters who brought us Watergate were juvenile delinquents by comparison to Obama.

Ok, we've gone way off track here. If you want to have all of those conversations we can do that elsewhere, but your entire post is irrelevant to the topic at hand (whether qualifications matter for elected office, and what makes someone qualified for public service).

Take responsibility for how you took this discourse off track. You address me as if I am an idiot, don't expect me to treat you with reverence. I worked at the White House, I am educated beyond my college degrees, by good fortune I have accomplished things that many people can only dream of, I have lived the American Dream until leftist policies made that impossible. I have traveled extensively, my best friends are illegal aliens, which I have helped to become legal citizens or at least stay here legally. I have nearly died a dozen times, I have saved people's lives, and I have zipped up body bags on people I could not save. I went deaf as a child, but no one knew it because I learned how to read lips (I was 3-4 years old). It was only recognized when they realized I only responded when I had face to face contact. Treat me like an idiot.
O-C has a lot more to learn, no one at 28 has enough life experience, no fault of youth, just a fact of life. Socialism is one of the greatest evils against human potential in existence. Your views of Trump are embarrassingly skewed and ignorant. You are the epitome of a useful idiot, not the bastion of wisdom and independent thought yo imagine yourself to be. You are one half of a human being. You are an insulting person, yet I have enough life experience to know you will never be anything different. Experience in a government that fails on so many levels is worth nothing in real metrics. Until you realize government is extractive and adds nothing, you will dream a utopian fantasy and do nothing to make the world a better place. Your condescension is typical of leftist leaning lemmings and equally putrid.
Sincerely, Your Least Favorite Constitutional Idiot

I'm sorry, that was a lot of words that basically amounted to "when I was your age, I walked barefoot uphill both ways to school, kids nowadays have no respect, now get off my lawn" <insert cane-shaking from the front porch>

I kid, I kid.

Your service is appreciated. Truly. Thank you.

O-C does indeed have a lot to learn, and she'll have to do it very quickly. I don't expect great things from her in her first term, but I think she'll adapt and has a good chance of getting a second term. We'll see. Trump also has had a lot to learn, and a lifetime of terrible habits to break, and very quickly. We'll see. In my opinion, these first two years have shown that he's not exactly a quick study, but we'll see.

If you take logically and factually supported disagreement as an insult, then maybe you shouldn't talk about politics. Like, ever. I'm not offended by the areas in which we disagree (see: the terms "bigot, racist, misogynist, corporate shill, planet killer" do not apply to you, that I've seen). I do not think you're an idiot, and I have tried to keep from painting you as such. I apologize if my insistence that we stay on topic comes off as condescending, but I don't apologize for arguing my case in a civil yet firm way. I am free to do so, and my doing so is not an attack on you, personally.

You have called me, personally, an impressive array of names, none of which are accurate portrayals of me as a person. Again, your opinion of me is of no consequence to me. However, you should probably go back through this entire exchange and look at what I've actually written, and look at your responses, and see who's being the adult in the room.

I am quite sure this meme could be made about 80% of the people in D.C.

I know you mean "80% members of the Senate and House, and the President" and not "80% of all of the people in DC", but it still bears mentioning - the VAST majority of government workers in DC are highly qualified people who are passionate about their government, taking an actual pay cut in order to work in public service. This, of course, is not counting the hundreds of thousands of people in DC who don't work for the US government at all. Sorry to be overly precise, but DC people bristle at language like that - the reality is that the people you don't like in DC are the people you sent there, not the people who actually live there.

In addition, no. There are very few people for whom this meme would be wholly appropriate. Even Ocasio-Cortez doesn't completely fit the bill for it. Trump absolutely does.

I worked in DC,there is no pay cut when they make more 6 months after they retire than they made when they were watching porn at work- that's an old canard from the 70s to justify raising government worker pay. The per capita income for DC is higher than just about everywhere else in the country--- because they take money from everywhere else in the country. When the rest of the nation was in recession, they didn't even know it.

Anyone who's worked in DC knows that the per capita income in DC is high because it's expensive to live there. That's what a "strong economy" looks like. A person making $100k can't afford to buy a home in DC. People who work outside the government in DC make significantly more than those in the same positions in the government. On the higher levels, a person working for the government can make several times more in the private sector - I have one friend who could be making 300k more than she makes now.

Do you personally know anyone who 1) made more 6 months after they retired and/or 2) watched porn at work? Neither of those things are supposed to happen. If you know someone who did the former, it's likely that they were diligent in adding as much as possible into a retirement account, on their own. Good for them. If you know someone who did the latter, then you probably know someone who doesn't have a job in government anymore.

I worked in DC, the cost of living is high there because the salaries are high there. That's what a parasite economy looks like. Someone making $100 k in SanFran, NYC, Connecticut and many parts of Colorado can't afford to buy houses. I had a great job in the private sector until the government ruined it (oil and gas) and yes I know about 30 guys who worked at the Nevada Test Site (now the NNSS), I know goons who worked for the USFS (30 years age 55 and presto! retired) in fact it has been a big scandal out West for some time that USFS personnel get more in retirement than when they were screwing people out of their jobs.

I don't know how long it's been since you worked in DC, but your perception of the place is a bit outdated. As is your understanding of how retirement from the federal government works.

The "high salaries" in DC aren't with the government, they're in the private sector, especially with defense contractors. Again, government workers make far less than they do; those who leave government to work in the private sector refer to the move as "cashing out". The downside of working for the private sector, as you unfortunately found out, is that those jobs don't carry a whole lot of security.

FERS has been in place since 1987. It doesn't work like you've described. If there's a scandal, it's because someone figured out how to game the system (illegally) rather than because government jobs are super cushy.