According to environmentalist there have been no victories to celebrate and everything is worse than ever before....

In all fairness back then most if not all buildings and houses were heated with Coal or Wood so alot of that in the pic could very easily be smoke from chimneys

Pittsburgh was the iron capitol of the world at the time, so while the sources you mentioned are a factor, industrial pollution was the main cause. The point is, we have instituted effective and successful regulations to clean up our backyard so to speak, but according to every environmental advocacy group, things are worse than they have ever been. That tells me their agenda is not honest.

i have a question, what environmentalist says we haven't made any advancements? and also, it's 60 in December. we should have weather in the 40's and 50's, but 60! plus, have you heard of industrial smog? Or maybe fire places? just because we were bad in the 30's and are fine now, doesn't mean the environmentalists are liars! We are only fine because people listened to environmentalists!

Not to be snarky, but how old are you? People tend to use their life experiences as a sole point of reference. I have spent Thanksgiving and Christmas as 65 degrees plus in the Colorado Rockies and I've spent them at 25 below. "Should have" weather is a myth. Swings and cycles are entirely normal, weather is never static- nor is climate. Let's look at the dust bowl era and call that normal, we should not have any rain then. Have you heard of brain cells? Might try using them before you ask if I know what industrial smog is. I spent much of my working career maintaining environmental compliance, I know more than you might ever learn. Have you heard of hidden agendas? Of course not. I am an environmentalist, but at least I acknowledge that we have made more improvements than the people who posit the ridiculous myth that CO2 is destroying the planet. Don't be a dupe, ask a lot of questions, then ask one more and you'll get closer to the truth. PS I partially answered the who part of your question in another response.

you know, i'm ashamed. Of myself. I want to keep fighting, and it's hard to say, but you're right. But still wrong. but still right. I do agree that "should have" weather isn't real, and I made the mistake of making a comment on a climate debate after being up for 5 minuets. I looked at this post and wrote what came to my mind as if I was speaking to an ignorant retard. But what I didn't do was read your comments, and come to the realization you are not stupid, just that we have different opinions, and I respect that. I do so sincerely apologize for my on the spot judgement. however, I do believe co2 is partly responsible, though one of the little noticed culprits that has a big impact is methane. And in that respect you're right. it's not solely co2. I do see your defending trump, which i wholeheartedly disagree with. But everyone can have an opinion. I disagree with yours, but that's alright. I will return to the recesses of the gaming category from whence i came. Thank you for not being an ass hat. good day.

Mackies, thanks for your honesty, and when I see your age, I understand better. I substitute taught for about a year when I couldn't find work a couple years ago, and quite frankly what is taught in schools is not fair to your generation. You have an opportunity to advance far beyond your peers if you master analysis and critical thinking. That used to be the cornerstone of education. I left a hot headed response to another meme you commented on, I apologize for that too.
Consider this imgflip.com/i/2nq3ff
I dealt with parts per million (ppm) and parts per billion for much of my past career, and I did a lot of research on this CO2 issue. This visual should demonstrate the fallacy of the "forcing" argument which is used to attribute much more power to CO2 and methane than it merits. There is simply not enough surface area of CO2 to reflect the heat they claim it is. When I presented the number of how much CO2 has been introduced by mankind since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution to the present (about 8 ppm for oil- the data was easy to find- we've used just less than a trillion barrels of oil- I calculated at the highest possible CO2 emission level per barrel) and 50 ppm for coal (harder to get good data since record keeping in the 1600-1850 was not really kept). When presented with the natural consumption of CO2 by plant and algae, resulting in at most a net gain in CO2 of 5 ppm at most, I was told that plant life discerns between man made CO2 and natural CO2, which is pure BS- CO2 is CO2. When you dig deep you'll find that nature produces about 25 times the CO2 as mankind, and that nature has been adept at converting that into food and stored energy since the beginning of life millions of years ago. CO2 has been as high as 2000 ppm and life thrived then when you compare it to the fossil record. CO2 has been lower and life struggled, again as revealed in the fossil record. You'll here about the Vostok ice cores which are supposed to be an accurate measurement of CO2 and other atmospheric gases, but what you won't hear about is research that shows how gases migrate through ice (ice is not an impermeable structure) leaving a higher concentration of CO2 behind.
If nothing else, understand this- science is never settled. If it was we would believe the sun revolves around the earth, the earth is a flat disc, diseases were spread by bad gas, volcano eruptions can be stopped by sacrificing humans and all kinds of sincerely held but wrong beliefs.

also, i'm 13.

Whoops, a few typos above, most important-the ice core sentence above, less CO2 was left behind showing lower CO2 concentrations in the past. The other major problem with the ice cores is that the ice was deposited and retained in colder periods which produced less vegetation and lower levels of plant life. Decaying vegetation is a key source of CO2, also it's the source of coal- 25 feet of vegetation produces 1 foot of coal- we have coal seams over 250 feet thick- think of the dead plants lying around that created that!. Another interesting fact- our oil and gas is created primarily by algae and other sea life that died and accumulated on the ocean floor, oceans cover about 70% of the surface of the earth- we have incredible resources that remain to be discovered and utilized to make life for everyone better.
I concluded a lot of my science lessons with this, "We ask questions to find the facts, when you think you have the answers, ask one more question. "
This last thing has always been true, you are the one most responsible for your education, you can learn something new every day of your life if you want to. You are smart, and articulate, accept the challenge, go beyond what even good scientists say and dig a little deeper, and then dig a little deeper. There is so much to know.

Who says that?

Enviromental regulations have been rolled back by Trump, and he turned the EPA into a joke that does the opposite of what it is supposed to do.

Not worse, just en route to getting worse than it has been after decades of improvement.

Now VirginblondeSuitcase,
The Trump administration has just eliminated regulations that do nothing for the environment and hurt the people they are supposed to protect. Read about James J. Wilson of Maryland, or the thousands of others who by improving habitat ran afoul of the strong arm of the government. The EPA was so out of control that not one citizen of the US could comply with every regulation.

Oh, did sevenbrainfarts make fun of my widdle username? Why did my folks name ne this, I'll never know.

You just verified with what I said, so any lame attempts to disprove it is thus invalidated.
Hey, what ever happened to his head of the EPA?

And sorry, I will naught taunt your name further.

My username is intentionally ridiculous sounding. Do with it as you will.

I just wish someone said something more clever with it rather than lumping random words with the same first letters. VociferousSandcherry and VarnishSubtle is just so, eh.

I confess that I am not that good, VagabondSouffle is about as good as it gets. Carry on good soul.

I thought it would get brought up so I neglected to mention that as far as I'm concerned, Global Warming/Climate Change is a farce, hence the name change. It became public that data was omitted or fudged to prove it, which wouldn't be necassary if anthropogenic changes in climate was a legitimate phenomenon.

So in that regard, the sky-is-boiling rage is bogus propaganda.
That doesn't mean pollution is no longer a threat, nor efforts to regulate and mitigate it no longer needed.

Agreed, population growth necessitates that. With a little effort we can continue to make things better. The oil industry amazes me, just when you think they can't get any more out of a barrel of oil they improve efficiency by another half%. The best environmental jobs for new grads are in the oil and gas industry. They're serious about it and have a real budget to actually do something.

The problem with fracking and other means of extracting harder to get sources is that we are getting out the last drops that could have served future generations. Producing a glut that sent prices plummeting was not in the best interests of the long term.

It is amazing though, and hopefully they can do similar with cleaner uses of coal.

Eh, yours was actually better than others, semi rhyming, similar rhythm at least. Others often just hiccup syllables to add to random words. There's no flow with them, nothing.

It's a combination of a 70's college poetry class, watching Rocky and Bullwinkle from it's inception and avid Monty Python viewing, I'm not safe for the general public as a result ( and drug use had nothing to do with it). Couple that with growing up and a farm and.... I wouldn't recommend it to anyone wanting to rear normal children.

Ahh, that explains it.

I watched Rocky and Bullwinkle when I was a wee one, but I've always had the worst memory for specific lines. I never got much into Monty Python though, which I attributed to me being an idiot, because the smart kids in hs did. They also liked Dungeons & Dragons and Dune, but I couldn't get past the intro glossary with that book, took it as too much fluff. I did hang out with that crowd tho. I was kind of a weirdo brute with nerdy overlays.

SCTV was comedy genuis for me, because while ridiculously stupid, that was by design, deftly working it from that angle, which isn't as easy as it sounds.

I was just telling someone about the movie, The Sandlot, how it truly captured the feel of childhood in those days.

I'm getting misty and it's rainy and I'm tired, time for a nap.

Be well, my dude.

Va**naBangSoAwful

When Trump left the Paris Accord, the U.S actually got cleaner. Look at the statistics.

No, that's silly.
Trump didn't leave it, the US did. This is not the toilet paper that was wiping his butt we're talking. He's been tearing up regulations that curb pollution.

Regulations that, while the US was part of them, did nothing? The Paris Accord was a terrible idea.

https://us-issues.com/2018/06/23/why-we-dont-need-to-be-in-the-paris-climate-accord-us-co2-drops-3rd-year-in-row/

The US did more than other nations. For example, Germany and France said they already had nuclear, so needed to do no further. China and India got a delay because they're still developing.

LIke that Euro guy with the "Lead or get out of the way" line in Kyoto (which the US did not even sign so wasn't part of), everyone else gets to sit around waiting for America to fix everything for them.

So...your argument here is that the air, after decades of work by local, state, and federal agencies using legislation to clean up the environment, the environment is, in fact, cleaner. You support that argument by posting pictures that show your point.

Look, Russian Trolls, I'm real serious about this: bring back the A Squad. This junior varsity D squad isn't cutting it. They're not funny. They don't make any sense at all.

GET. YOUR. SHIT. TOGETHER.

This is funny imgflip.com/i/2ml9kj

Naw, shucks. Just glad I went to school when we were taught how to think, not what to think. It was a time when we were taught the principles of analysis, critical thinking, you know all the stuff that keeps people from being mind numbed robots and victims of propaganda. It was a time when people knew collusion is not a crime, kind of like today, collusion still isn't a crime. Being a dumb ass on the other hand should be. Love and kisses weirdo.

Tip: Dont plug ur meme on a political stream where you are arguing with people

Wasn't plugging, just said it was funny. Missed that in the rule book.

Okay the air is worse, the water is worse, we're all going to die. Party on Garth. Co2 is essential for life but it's deadly. Party on Pinkie and the Brain. No wonder suicide is up. The truth is a lie, the truth will set you free. Try scattering your shit, it could be fertilizer. Thanks for grade schooling me.

Sorry bud but legislation isn't behind it all. We didn't sign Paris, yet we're ahead of any of the signatory nations in cleaning up our emissions. We DO NOT NEED extra regulation to force companies to modernize. They do it on their own, and have BEEN doing it on their own.

Absolutely, everyone drinks water, breathes air and picks up their dog poop, okay, not everybody picks up their dog poop. American ingenuity has made the world a much better place.

It's another straw man argument. Environmentalists never said, you just feel that they said that.

Ever heard of the High Country News- big eco paper out of Colorado- Multiple editorials saying the environmental movement can never claim victory or they cease to exist. Same with eco paper out of SLC, seen it in NYC underground press too. Environmentalism is political or they would all love Richard Nixon who created teh EPA. Neener neener neener you ain't got no ............. clever meme here.

There are many good reasons to dislike Nixon, but the fact that he created the EPA is a good thing.

one city getting better = proof that the whole earth isn't getting warmer

C02 and average temperature has gone up. Just because it doesn't show up in two pictures of Pittsburg doesn't mean it isn't there

Check your facts, no temperature gain in last 15 years, no Co2 increase in 10 years. FYI Mauna Loa observatory is just below the summit of an active volcano that emits CO2....... on ..... a daily basis. If you look real close at the picture you'll see the CO2
What is a normal temperature? What is a lie? Climate change! Why is it a lie. Cause the climate is always changing it isn't static! How do we fix it? Taxes! How much CO2 has the trillion barrels of oil we've burned added to the atmosphere? 8 ppm, how much has CO2 gone up 50 deadly ppm! Buy the myth if you are a brain dead sucker.

Guess like 97 percent of scientists I am a brain dead sucker. Dang it

Maybe reading about the CO2 production of earthworms exceeding the CO2 production of humans would help. Oh wait, the composting through use of earthworms group refutes that and claims earthworms sequester more CO2 than they emit. Well maybe reading about how decaying vegetation puts more CO2 in the atmosphere in a day than mankind in a year research would interest you. Oh wait, that's "natural" CO2 and man made CO2 is rejected by nature. Plants are picky about what CO2 they use, nothing but the best for rutabagas. But 97% is peer reviewed! Ignore the reports of peer review scandals. But 97% of scientists agree. and 9 out of 10 dentists recommend brushing with Crest. I don't think you are brain dead. There is a lot of information out there, and the nattering nabobs of negativism select and cherry pick what they want people to believe. I'm not a scientist, but I played one at work. Observing the natural world all over the world I can assure you, the planet is not dying, Pilke and others have done studies that show extreme weather has not gotten worse, in fact has become less destructive (and watch how the 97% lazy scientists try to smear that study- Pilke said screw this, he didn't need the abuse). Dr. Roy Spencer, has put forth some solid studies that water vapor does more to control climate than CO2. Myself, I have better things to do than worry about a CO2 that nothing will change- we each only have a handful of days to live, and there is no guarantee of tomorrow, so live a good life, be kind to others, be kind to animals and don't forget your mother on Mother's Day...