sam kinnison trump say it

I just read the senate vote was 50 for and 49 against. With 54 Republican senators and only 44 Democratic senators, shouldn't they have had 54 votes FOR the budget? Lousy salesmanship if you not only can't sell the opposition party on the bad legislation, but can't even convince all of your own party.

something like this? https://i.imgflip.com/2329tq.jpg

The Republicans do indeed have some RINOS like Graham, Flake, etc. But things like this do not pass in the senate even if the vote is 51 for and 49 against. The Republicans need 60 votes to pass anything, and they do not have 60 Republicans in the Senate. So unless they get rid of the rule for 60 votes, which they could do, but which might bite them in the ass when the Senate swings back to Democrat control, they need Dems to get them to 60 votes.

Right. Their failure to get the bill passed was that they refused to compromise, or, as I understand it, the president already rejected the previous DACA negotiated portion of the bill, so the Republicans were unable to swing enough Democrats over to get the bill to pass. One reason why a businessman is a poor choice as president: in business, he has complete control, almost a dictator, and unless he's willing to play politics, he isn't as powerful as he thinks he is. Now if he takes his advice and can get the two sides together, great. But this isn't going to be a problem that he can just point a finger and say, "You're fired".

Dude they came here illegally. They should be sent back for breaking the law. I know a few "dreamers" but they got to go back.

Uh, you are aware that most of these people did not come here on their own, but were brought here before they were school age. Would you like to be hauled into court for the misdeeds you did at the age of three or four? This wasn't even their idea. While they were raised in Hispanic communities, they grew up as Americans, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and learning The Star Spangled Banner. Chances are your dreamer friends can do those, even as adults, but may be hard pressed to tell you Mexico's version, or that of their country of origin. If we must send them back, we need to spend the millions to deprogram their American heritage. Yes, they absorbed that in the decade or two that they have been here. Personally, I believe these dreamers should be given the opportunity to show they are, at heart, Americans. As it stands currently, there is a fast track to citizenship by serving a hitch in the military, but doing so is difficult because they were brought here illegally. If they could obtain a student visa, even at a community college, they could take that fast track.

Who's going to pay for their college?
You guys don't wanna a wall, don't wanna pay for it, but condemn me for wanting to send the illegals back, because I'm done paying for them. They aren't paying taxes, f**k em. All you guys want is more voters to take advantage of. I see through the b.s..
Also what happens 20 years from now? Dreamer 2.0? The root cause and problem is never fixed. You'd love that.
Illegal immigrants are like that 40 year old virgin that still lives with their mom's. If She keeps enabling him, paying his way, he'll never be able to move out and make his own way. Same with Mexico. If we keep paying for their problems, because their government sucks then they'll NEVER BE GREAT AGAIN.
Nah, they need to go. F**k them.

You're correct, the root cause is never fixed. Let's focus on the cause. Illegal aliens is not the cause, but the effect. Just like our ancestors, they come here for the opportunity to live a better life than they had in their own countries. After all, that's what made America what it is. So, lets get down to brass tacks: what is the source? Business people that hire illegal aliens. Right now, if you run a business that is discovered to employ illegal aliens there are two possible consequences. FIrst, although I've not heard of this being done, you could lose your license to operate your business. Second, you could be fined for each employee and incident. FIrst incident,, $250-$2,000 per employee, Second incident, $2,000 to $5,000 per employee, and third incident, $3,000 to $10,000. If the Illegal alien problem is costing American taxpayers so much, then that cost should be shifted to the origin of the problem: businesses that hire illegals. To fund those programs, Increase the fines. FIrst offense, $10K, Second offense, $20K, third offense, $50K. These fines would PER employee. The current fines are nothing to an employer because he can make up for it with his slave wages. Make it so it hurts the business, and the practice will stop.

The second group of illegals coming across the border is the more troubling one. They're the ones that are fueling the drug problems. How to handle that? Follow the lead from Portugal that has eliminated the illegal drug trade by making drugs legal for recreational use. The dealers can't compete with the open market. Read up on how that's been working for them since the country implemented the legalization. We aren't talking about just pot: opioids are legal, too. amazingly, the drug abuse problem there has dropped because the funds once used to fight drug abuse has been channeled to treatment and rehab. Unlike the opioid crisis in the US, the drugs available there legally are not contaminated with fillers that affect the person's reaction.

If you want the problem fixed, you have to go to the root of it. Make it unprofitable for illegals to come here and we'll have extra funds to protect our country from other threats.

FWIW, when you asked who would pay for the Dreamers college, you are aware that they don't qualify for government assistance for college. No Pell Grants, no student loans, etc. Unless they acquire scholarships though foundations, schools, and even their churches, they have to pay for it out of pocket.

Some good points, but I get tired of having this same debate over and over.
A gal I know acquired the Warren buffet scholarship. She is a daca kid. She s about to graduate this semester so good for her.
So regardless if she used a fake ss# Or got it straight up is meaningless to me. Illegals get their welfare benefits. One way or another.

Or maybe they should f**k an American and get married.
That's something I never got. If they're so intertwined in American culture how come they don't get with an American? They always seem to f**k each other. That's stupid imo.

That's like saying why don't Americans bother to marry illegals. They do, but not all of them do so. I came close to marrying an immigrant before I met the woman I married. It didn't work out because I wouldn't convert to Catholicism. BUT, if I met a woman that interested me, and we hit it off, I wouldn't shy away from it.

That's exactly what I said actually, but you see my point so that's good.

I had several "Gringo" coworkers that ended up marrying illegals. But you can't judge a book by its cover, either. One couple I knew like that, his parents immigrated here before he was born. He married a senorita from across the border, and she finally became a citizen (I guess it's not automatic citizenship) The worked long hours and raised a family before they got divorced. She was a great looking woman and a good cook. I loved her tamales. (that sounds dirty)

Yes, gain that citizenship then get divorced.
Sounds about right lol.
I hate when they call me gringo. They're the gringo.

Notice, though, that they didn't just stay together for a short time. It wasn't until after their kids were grown they were divorced. IIRC, they were together about 25 years. It wasn't just a citizenship thing, otherwise, she could have dumped him before I even met them.

You hate the word Gringo? I laugh at it. I know enough about it's Etymology that I can insult two entire cultures with a bigoted remark and have both laughing their asses off by how I describe it.

Damn, you really do live out in boonies, huh?

I can tell you ain't chunky, nor know women who are, because away from the big city, every one of them I've ever known (my fave body type, so I've known plenty) has either themselves or their sisters and friends gotten married to Peruvians and Ecuadorians, and the occasional Columbian. Why? Because the dumbasses think they're on the ball, so when a Mexican approaches their lonely ass at a bar, he must want a green card, so bye bye. Because everyone in the expansive buttcrack between NY/NJ and SF/LA is so brain dead, they think that "Mexicans" is synonymous with "Illegals," and thus assume them other Latins must be legal until 5 months later when she in love and Marco fesses up that he's an illegal too but marriage will fix that. 5 years, 2 kids and 1 citizenship later, he dumps her ass.

Can you imagine that? People THAT stupid? Because edumacations is fer them cityfolk.

Oh, and it happens here too. But the going rate is (back in the 90s anyways) $8000 for a Latin, $60,000 and up for someone from across the Atlantic. Unless you're an idiot too.

PS: Do you know who lives on the other side of the Atlantic? Moslems. You will find in coming years that not all of them are Syrian or Somali refugees. In fact most aren't. They come here legally, via plane (like MOST foreigners do), and like the plump honies too, and are willing to pay if need be.

Now maybe, since y'all is his constituency, you can get his royal butthurtness to keep THEM out like he PROMISED. You know, before you gotta wear a veil too while we get blown up.

And I mean from TERRORIST countries, not Iran or the Maldives or some other country who hasn't done any.

That's what I'm saying. We need to hault immigration. Build the wall. Rebuild the system, because it ain't working. We're being replaced.
They send the Hispanics in to break the country financially. That's nearing completion, so you notice were seeing an even larger influx of dem muzzies. Of course they are here to break down our system further, establish that sharia law. Then all the controllers can eliminate them and rebuild human society in their image. Merge with machines all that bad stuff.
It's coming.

The wall ain't gonna do crap.

After Reagan was done being the biggest coke dealer in history in order to arm the Nicaraguan Contras against one Presidente just so his brother can be elected there years later anyways but that's Ok because we got the crack epidemic for our troubles, they tried halting the flow of drugs at the Mexican border with the wall that was and is still there. Planes, tunnels, boats, condoms full of coke up anuses, condoms full of cokes sewn in the guts of dogs, THEY EVEN USE HOMEMADE SUBMARINES! Under the border, over the border, across the gulf to other parts of Texas, to Florida, to Puerto Rico, then to the Dominican Republic. See a pattern here? Cut one route, another one comes up.

In fact, the only thing we've ever managed to block from coming here is Cuban cigars. Niche market, not profitable enough for the Feds to look the other way.

There's money in them thar foreigners. Cheap labor, ingenuity, new businesses, tech & science development - all so we can ferment and play xbox all day crying how the Mexis took out precious strawberry picking jobs away and por folks want decent pay for stuffing our fat craws up with McD's.

In addition to being a boost to the economy, it's called divide and conquer. Witness the meme wars here. OOOH! This one is gonna stick with the Cheez Doodle KGB agent because the other one stuck with the Cafe au Latte Jesus for 8 years - AND NOW IT'S PAYBACK, BEEEETCHES!!!

Capt Twittertard can nuke the US itself (as in that awesome show, Jericho), and his minions will still applaud because them days when Americans were Americans and had principles and could read and had respect and nuts big enough to run Nixon out of town are over.

America is nuthin but a dormitory full of lazy oxy poppin web addicts dependent on foreigners to do what we can't be sussed to do for ourselves.

Can't wait till we hire them to wipe our asses too.

Yeah, but no.

A wall is already there, mostly.

Trump's plan is not for a border long wall, just covering gaps used in shifts in jump points like I said above.

That shifting river is ONE reason why a complete wall is not feasible.

Walls still don't mean shit.

I replied below. I just needed 2 upvotes. :)

Needed 2 uv's? Wha?

Please don't do that, you very well know the capablities of your fave pitbull, so shush.
Goodness, we disagree on most topics, and you use ME as backup instead of your militia of alt fright speshul ed flake nooz minions.

If you feel you're being talked down to, then may I recommend:

1. Facts
2. Logic
3. Reality

Cerebral cortex. Because the Great God of Light, Satan, gave it to you to be used for something other than toilet paper.

Feel free to upvote me and Swiggy and anyone else who had the courtesy to do so for you.

PS: A giant moat didn't stop yours from illegally entering here. What makes you think you can stop the Natives from coming back home?

I thought you'd say that.
I've researched it and there's a retard fence, not a wall. And th wall wouldn't be on exactly the border of course, so the river wouldn't be an issue.
Basically we need a wall there, so when the liberals gain power again and allow open borders our vigilante groups will have a barrier to work with. Walls do a lot. Force people to take other routes.
I know enough about you that no matter what trump says or does, it's bad.
So tell is real and the Vatican and China walls don't work.

Your condescending attitude is what wins you arguments, not necessary your "facts."
And you're right it's 2017. Seismic tech has come along way. Have fun digging. Like we haven't thought of that. We need up military presence on the border. Coast guard presence on the coast. Checking passports on the Canadian border.
Boom.
The wall of course wouldn't detour all illegals so that is for insulting my intelligence.
It's 2017 and that wall at the Vatican and Israel are holding up well. There's still ppl getting through, but it's not even close to as bad.
Again we need the wall so when demo open the border again we will be ready.
Ps
You want open borders. Even if you don't admit it. Your choice of wording has many tells.
So comment again and attempt to reinforce your points. I'll be commenting else where, make sure to check my profile...lol

InfoWars ain't research.

And if you had to look it up, good gawsh ya need ta stick yer head out the window and LOOK at the world, you know, with thine own eyes?

I already said about other routes TWICE.

And Swiggy already told you the solution, so useless repitition is still useless repitition.

You are aware that the Wall of China fell? And this is 2017, no?

One last time, please right this down:

1. Not all immigrants, legal or not, are Mexicans.

2. Most immigrants get here by plane. And those tend not to leave.

Um, no.

Great retort, btw

Please please please submit this. If you don't, I am stealing it!!

Democrats are the new Shithole

Trump is the mega phone the republicans never had before. The dems will be rightfully blamed this time.

Trump is to blame. His leadership caused the partial federal shutdown. He even says so himself.

Since it takes 2 to either agree or disagree, you can actually blame whichever side you want and be partially right. The fact remains that the republicans put together a spending bill, and the dems wanted to add DACA to it. Why? They were A.) hoping Trump caved and accepted their DACA terms or B.) they would just blame Trump for shutting down the government if he didn’t. Trump, unlike weak leaders of the past, didn’t cave, and his supporters appreciate that. Shutdown won’t last long, and all the employees not getting paid now will be back paid later anyway. It’s just a shame that military personnel have to wait to receive their paychecks while congress receives theirs. (Trump btw does not take a salary, and his net worth since taking office has dropped from 4.5B to 3.5B, so I’m tired of hearing people say he became president for the money).

You, sir, deserve a round of applause! :D

Why is the citizenship or lack thereof, of a couple hundred thousand illegal aliens so important to the Democrats that they're willing to have the government shut down?

That senile psycho puppet told Dems TWICE he'd sign DACA approval on the spot in that little press welcome meeting he arranged the other week.

*please insert MSM lies rant now*

Illegal aliens cannot recieve benefits.

I STILL don't do clickbait. Even STILL for fake meme lies STILL.

I don't do clickbait. Even for fake meme lies.

I take it you missed the Reagan 3 mill meme up above?

Reagan's congress was overwhelmingly liberal. There wasn't much he could do. I would hazard a guess that he signed it under a lot of pressure AND he wanted to make it illegal to hire illegal workers from that day forth. The amnesty part that was tacked on was the brain child of the 99th United States Congress...

Guesses are irrelevent.

They didn't seem too liberal back then, nor was the Republican majority Senate.
Regardless, Reagan's Executive Order was his and his alone.
That it would land the Republicans new faithfuls was something he openly stated, as did both Bush Sr & Jr in years after.

A few token gestures at enforcement, then back to the usual.
That law and penalties are still on the books. Any new additional is redundant pandering.

That's a good point. Boy was he mistaken, then. Tis Human to err.

You're lying again. What part of "illegal" do you not understand?

They come here to do the work that you're too lazy to do.

They STILL get benefits, even though they are illegal, which IS MINDBOGGLING. See, for example, SANCTUARY CITIES.

And no, that argument that they come to do work other people won't do is BULLSHIT. Our real unemployment rate is above 30%. More than 50% of young working-age americans still do not have jobs.

Your lies still don't change facts.

So get off your lazely entitled ass and get one of those jobs the way Pablo does.

lol I am employed! You are so hopeless.

Ah. Right. Guess you aren't familiar with the concept of "tax refunds". Or, say... state and local taxes. Wonder why that is. xD

Shits played out. Give it a rest. Wait, you done that already. Get a job.

Nite.

Yet you don't pay taxes?
Can't wait for your next lie.

You're begining to bore me.