Unpopular Opinion Puffin

The very notion of "hate speech" is Orwellian. Some people are hateful haters - so what? Adults just deal with it, once way or Another.

It seems whenever you tell someone that says something offensive, they get offended when you tell them that they have shit for brains.

Everyone has the right to free speech in this country. By the same token, when utilizing it, they also have to understand that there may be repercussions. It doesn't matter if you're an entertainer, a politician, a comic, or a laborer.

True, but arson, looting etc. is still criminal activity.

I grew up in a mob town. You were free to say anything you wanted to say. Say something against the organization, especially something damaging, and the repercussions could be expensive: very expensive. So what if the methods were illegal. While it's nice if people can hold a true debate, that rarely happens. Moreso if you have people that can finance the discord for their own reasons.

Our country is in the process of being torn I to what may well end up being a civil war. The riots, the looting, the arson are a warning. Notice how offended, for example, Conservatives act if a liberal protest turns violent. It's not that they are offended by actions that do not directly threaten them, but the fact that the liberals are actually responding with violence when Conservatives have painted them as chickenshit cowards for decades. I've had more than one person upset when I refused to take their crap and punched them in the nose when they needed it.

We have a right to freedom of speech, but we also have a responsibility to accept the consequences of what we say. Sometimes the consequences can be injurous to health and property. Ask Larry Flynt about his exercise in free speech.

I believe that liberals achieved that reputation all on their own.

Keep that idea in mind over the next decade.

We've had enough of your left wing gibberish and we'll not have any more of your civil unrest. Your mulatto community organizer and his cadre of Alinsky followers are no longer in power. Keep that in mind, fragile snowflake.

Ah yes. Hate speech. I exercise my freedom of speech, and you chose to be insulting.

(Looks around. Sees no looting, rioting, nor even a nasty comment from my little left wing camp)

I know you only get like a quarter a post to trash liberals and progressives, so you don't have time to discuss things rationally, so I'll just leave your comments here to show a little bit about how well you dislike free speech. Funny, this was a trait they use in fascist and communist countries. Attack the messenger because they dislike the message.

Calling ninja a fascist is like calling lady ga ga a good role model.
It's just simply not true.
Ninja is an all American, God loving, patriot and you will address him as such.

At no point did I call him a fascist. If he choses to use such methods, however, it is plain for any to see. In a topic where we are discussing a lack of open communication, instead of an actual discussion, he choses to, instead, resort to name calling and telling me to shut up. If you are a student of history, even as a casual observer, you'll notice that the first thing a dictator does is tries to stiffle free speech. They do this not through an open debate, but through insults and intimidation until the powers that be feels safe to send out the jackboots. Once that occurs, then freedom of speech is gone.

As Area309 points out, there are riots, arson and other criminal acts involved in the recent protest marches. This is nothing new in our country. Our very heritage was founded on it with the Boston Tea Party and Boston Massacre. It followed up with the battles at Lexington and Concord, where the protestors were armed and, while many died, they took an honor guard of British soldiers with them to hell. Those men, by the way, were, for the most part, liberals. The Conservatives of the time sided with the crown.

No, the freedom of speech is an important right. To dismiss it in a cold, callus manner shows no respect for it. I am happy to debate anyone. It's not difficult for me to look at both sides of a matter. I was trained to do that at a young age. But I do expect a debate. If you have a hypothesis on why things are the way they are based on historical facts, I will be happy to hear them.

I've already made my case on the fascist claim, now I have to ask you how you could prove that he is an all American. God loving patriot. On the internet, where anonymity reigns, one has no proof of anything. I have been involved with this world for decades and in many capacities. I'm known mostly for my humor which also, often, steps into boundaries "polite society" ignores. These include politics, religion, social issues, and reality. I love a good debate. Of the three real debates here, I've lost one, and admitted it, while I was able to make my point the other two quite well.

That's a whole lot of typing that I didn't care to read!

Too bad. Still, this is one reason why so many Conservatives cannot win a debate and must resort to name calling. Your forfiture

Not a paid activist. Just ANOTHER thing you are wrong about, you pathetic paranoid loser. smh

Yeah... who do those conservatives think they are?... Being offended when leftists riot, beat people up and destroy private property! (heavy sarcasm)

BTW... You are still a chickenshit coward when you riot and destroy innocent people's property, you clueless twit.
After a few months and the police forces around the nation start restoring law and order, I cannot wait to see if these paid protesters find a cracked skull and a long jail term worth the few bucks from George Soros.

That's a nice tie. But it doesn't go with that shirt.

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Yes.

nope, free speech is hating a black guy (or a member of any other group of people for that matter) because he's an asshole, hate speech is hating him because he's black

Which would be fine except hate speech is an ever expanding definition and eventually becomes whatever the left doesn't want to dicuss.

then maybe you should try to use free speech in a more clearly defiened way yourself.

Words that cause offense are not excluded from the first ammendment and to do so is a slippery slope. This is obvious and shouldn't require explanation.

how about the following: hate speech is all speech that uses the concept of free speech to impair said concept in some way, shape or form. clear cut definition, can we agree on that?

So anything negative at all referring to somebody? No.

critizising someone based on something they did wrong and can improve doesn't impair their free speech

But saying something mean to them is hate speech? That's way too subjective. Do you want offensive memes banned?

"all blacks are criminals" "all whites are racist" "all autistic people are retarded" does that sound like something that impairs free speech? because that's what i meant! as for offensive memes: it's never gonna happen anyway but here you have it: if created with the intend to be offensive, yes. if offensive by accident, no.

I'm sorry, but if it was illegal to spread false information and beleive it then literally everybody in the world would be criminals.

What? That makes no sense. It's called a joke for a reason, and it's not because it's a serious statement.

While I don't agree with any of your sample statements, people are allowed to have these opinions. If you ban those, what's next? Soon, most anything not politically correct will be outlawed as hate speech! The first amendment was made so that the government couldn't control what we said, beleived in, or heard. Once the government controls that, we are less free.

isn't an opinion a SUBJECTIVE statement? these were statements with OBJECTIVE value (that they're objectivly wrong), and therefor not opinions!

Didn't you appeal to Raydog to try to have political memes banned (a notion he brushed off) as well as submit a meme advocating that?
Didn't you threaten to "bomb" me hours ago in retribution for me replying to your constant lame attempts at trolling me? How's that going, btw? Should I show the mods a screenshot?

In reply to Jack_henoff:

Did you not see my other comment? I don't actually have any recollection of that comment being made. I don't agree with the comment, so that's my stance. As for the bombing part: J-O-K-E. Tensions between Uranus and Neptune have become so bad that I suspect that it will happen.

But in that case it would only be free speach if I had the right to give you my full and uncensored reaction...