My (Mom's Mom) grandma was one of 12 kids, my mom is one of 8 kids. Here father, my grandpa, never made it out of 4th grade, he went to work in the coal mines in Pittsburgh, he worked in the coal mines for 53 years, and died of black lung, from the coal dust. That was in 1982-1983 or so? Somewhere around there, but he raised 7 daughters and a son! There were 13 people living in the house.(family)