How California liberals can make good on their promise

I think this is why many states hate them..Because of people like this!

Yea I agree, Portland is a lot like San Francisco

Sad :(

lol

Awesome! Are you from Colorado? I live in Centennial.

I don't live in Colorado, but I have been to your beautiful state.

I'd imagine Colorado River is drier than the desert right now! Hollywood and political liberals are such HYPOCRITES. They make documentaries, speeches,etc. to promote climate change and water conservation, yet they use 20 times more water than the average californian household. The most was from a Bel-Air household, which used 11,000,000 gallons last year!

lol, we wanna play :)

In the Civil War people fought to keep it the union. In the comments I have read so far on this issue the only people who are against this is the Californians who don't want to secede. Everyone else seems to be ok with letting them go. To which I must say I am in agreement! If they want out, let them go! I am sick and tired of reading about how degenerates are tearing this country apart.

Let. Them. Leave.

Referring to the riots and hateful lashing out about the election results

(Are you posting this one? I think I would.)

I did but I think imgflip shadow-banned it... imgflip.com/i/1e42pb

That's too bad. I "pinned it" (twice) and posted it on fb too.

A trophy like this?

#calexit... PFFFT!!!

The Feds would wind up making a HUGE shift to the right if California DID secede (the law of unintended consequences rears its ugly head). Let's look at other consequences...

If all the Liberals were to move to Cali, they'd have a HELL of a population problem, MANY of them leeches of the welfare system. The system would collapse within a few years, and they'd come crawling back with their tails between their legs and having learned the lessons learned by the former USSR.

Maybe it's NOT such a bad idea, after all!

In any case, I think #calexit represents further proof that Obama contributed GREATLY to the disunity of our nation.

It's amazing how many Californians fear whats going to happen to their community under President Trump. They should be more concerned about what's going to happen with legalized recreational marijuana.

Actually, being Libertarian and a strong believer in MORE personal freedoms (though I DO believe in more personal responsibility, as well), I'm all for legalizing marijuana...

**Unpopular Opinion Puffin** ...and ALL recreational pharmaceuticals. I believe that it would be safer for society in the long run than the war on drugs has been.

I believe that WE should be able to use whatever prescription drugs we want to, and it's up to us to hear what our doctors recommend, but not to let them dictate what prescriptions we are allowed. I was on a particular set of medications by one doctor when I was in Oklahoma, but when I came to Michigan and started seeing a doctor here, he insisted on changing EVERYTHING (even though the regimen I was on was WORKING). My questions and complaints fell on deaf ears.

The main problem with using whalever drugs we want is that people want to sue somebody when the drugs cause adverse effects. If a doctor is going to be held responsible for the drugs he or she prescribes they need to have some control over it.
As for recreational marijuana, we've already seen hoe iresponsible people aww with alcohol. So why would we want to throw another legal imparement into the mix?

re prescription drugs: That's where the personal responsibility comes in. If YOU are responsible for your own decisions, whether you do what the doctor recommends or not, then who would you sue?

re alcohol and marijuana: Yes, but we've also seen the effects on society from criminalizing alcohol. We are seeing those same effects with the war on drugs: gangland-type violence and executions, the introduction of potentially dangerous substances to "cut" the product with no regulation, and other negative effects.

Then on the positive side of legalizing alcohol, we have tax revenue, the ingredients are known and documented, the effects are well-known throughout society. I wouldn't be able to tell you what ANY side effects of heroin, meth, ecstasy, or any currently illegal drug are. I know how much alcohol a person can consume, there are tests to see just how high your alcohol level is, and I know the physical side effects of consuming alcohol.

There's no question of what other substances may be in that whiskey bottle, but we've had a rash of heroin overdoses in the southeast Michigan/northwest Ohio area, because nobody knows what's in the heroin being sold on the streets. Legalize them, regulate them, tax the f**k out of them.

Can you imagine if the current street value of illegal drugs had the same percentage of taxation that alcohol and tobacco has? Did some Googling to try to answer that...

According to http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-war-statistics, "Tax revenue that drug legalization would yield annually, if currently-illegal drugs were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and tobacco: $46.7 billion" I think it would be more, that they're underestimating it because their agenda is to keep them illegal.

Also, there's the money we WOULDN'T be spending on police involvement, trials/court proceedings, incarcerations, etc. The website http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock says it's $40+ billion annually ($15 billion spent by the federal government, $25+billion spent by state and local governments).

For the record, I don't smoke, I don't drink, and I don't use any illegal drugs. I don't use any prescription narcotics, either.

Good argument and I gave a presentation on drugs in college . What I found crazy is the legal drugs cause way more harm than illegal drug for example tobacco kills more people than illegal drug , alcohol , cancer and a lot of other thing combined. Which is why I also support legalization across the board for the same reasons you have already stated

You're forgetting that we used to think tobacco was safe. Now insurance companies, employers and the government are spending millions trying to get people to kick the habit. The only season we don't have the same statistics on marijuana is because it hasn't been studied enough. Today's users are the lab rats.
As for legalizing to put drug cartels out of business, that won't work. The cartels are already pushing more harmful drugs like meth and heroin. What will we do then, legalize those drugs too?
As for taxation, the net increase in tax revenue will be consumed by the additional demand on emergency services and child protection services to take care of all the kids that parents neglect because they're too high. It's like trying to justify legalized prostitution, gambling, dog fighting, etc. Sure, there might be more tax income but at what costs?

Read the comment before mine I support his arguement also with all we know about tobacco it is still legal and kills more people than anything else

I read it, just didn't want to reply twice.
Since marijuana is still illegal by federal law there's still time to stop it from becoming a killer like tobacco. Also, tobacco doesn't impair judgement and reaction time like marijuana so it's less of a DUI hazard. Yet insured also increase rates for smokers because of distractions from ashes and fire from smoldering butts.

DUI risk is very small compared to alcohol which is legal. if tobacco and alcohol can be legal with some of the worst adverse effects known to man than looking into other drugs would be logical the only thing holding it back is Miainformation and lobbyist

I also believe in drug legalization. But doesn't tobacco largely kill through cancer?

Also repertory problems like asthma and emphysema.

And chronic obstructive palmanary disease both caused by tobacco

And cardiac problems from chronic over-stimulation of the heart muscle (and possible decrease in exercise due to decreased blood oxygen).

See comments below. Didn't wan to leave you out.

Thank you.

I think smoking, with all it's health problems, should still be legal, though. The smoker should take responsibility for their own health care. Freedom AND Responsibility. I don't believe we, as a society, have enough of either.

Alcohol makes people violent. This is well-known. Marijuana does not, rather, the opposite. Yet the first is legal, the second is mostly illegal.

The War On Drugs is Prohibition all over again. It didn't work then, it doesn't work now. We failed to learn from history, so it has repeated.

There can be, as I mentioned earlier, regulation. There can be tests created to determine the level of impairment due to marijuana usage and make determinations of legal limits as with alcohol. It would still be illegal to drive under the influence, of course.

Alcohol makes SOME people violent. Makes me want to go to sleep, makes others think they're Casanova, makes others giggle, makes others chatty, makes other "brave." I just get sleepy ...

Agree on the WoD lunacy. How many trillions of dollars have we spent on it vs how many dollars could've been spent on treatment that would have had a better result?

Alcohol makes me a stand-up comedian. But I've decided to keep my brain-cells at their current number, so I gave it up. I'm not an alcoholic or anything, just a lifestyle choice.

Banning drugs doesn't work. They tried banning alcohol and created organized crime. The same thing happens with other drugs. I think it's better for drugs to be regulated strictly without banning them. Personally I don't do any drugs but I think things like drunk driving are the absolute worst side of drugs because it hurts other people.

Fun Fact for YOU to continue to build your case: Back in the late 1800s - early 1900s BOTH Cocaine and Heroin were legal, commonly used drugs in pharmacies all across America. Seriously. When you get a chance, look up "cocaine in early American medicine" and I'll tell you one without the research; heroin was commonly in cough syrup and cough drops.

Go look it up. It'll blow your mind.

Appreciate you taking the time to comment.

My mother was a history major in college, so I grew up hearing ALL ABOUT United States and world history. Even before she went to college, she was a HUGE history buff. We would vacation to Revolutionary and Civil War battle sites, see reenactments, visit various old forts, etc.

I've read LOTS of Victorian-era novels, most notably for this topic, The Seven Percent Solution. Heroin came from Opium originally, which was also perfectly legal.

Sure, those things mess up your life, and that's the reasoning behind making them illegal. But then, so do alcohol and tobacco, and we'd never THINK of making THEM illegal. The lack of logic in all this just gives me a brain cramp.

It's a cocaine derivative actually but still... it's used! Had a friend with severe nasal blockage most of her life. She went to the doctor and he told her to try to breath in through her nose really quickly to get some "medicine" in there. She said she was able to breath normally for the first time in 20 years. He sent her home after poking around in her nose for a bit. She said she had SO much energy ... she cleaned the whole house, organized her bills, did some yardwork, and overall felt great but it wore off. She asked him for more of "whatever that was you had me inhale" but the doctor said, "No, that was a cocaine derivative. You can't have more but I can do surgery to get your issue resolved."

I think she would've prefered the cocaine LOL

@MamaTriedRob: There are a lot of welfare leeches in California. Just drive around Oakland, and you'll see bums with loud stereos for their cars blasting vulgar rap music.

Slackers are thicker in San Francisco's public parks than anywhere else I have ever been. They were more numerous than winter geese in a wheat field.

#CalExit #NoBacksies