Seems sort of simple...

I couldn't resist

For example, many people (including myself) accept homosexuality even though they aren't homosexual themselves. The same goes for incest. To assume otherwise is a fallacy.

"Might", I never intimated that you were, in fact, one.

TH3_H4CK3R, deleting from the middle of a thread is right next to trolling anonymously. Say you're wrong, stick to your guns, ignore it, laugh at it but, delete it? SMH.

Just wondering, why is it such a big deal that people adhere solely to their birth gender?
Why is it any skin off your nose if they a man decides he would be happier as a woman?

Lol That may be true, but I definitely wouldn't pull a Bruce Jenner because it was the next cool thing

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If what you feel about yourself does not match reality,you are delusional

"This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects.The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality."

"a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/delusion

"This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

Definition of gender: 1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

That is a secondary definition.Traditionally,gender has been used a synonym for sex

"a.Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions; sex."-Gender

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

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a : sex <the feminine gender>-Merriam-Webster.com

"the ?male or ?female ?sex, or the ?state of being either ?male or ?female"-Cambridge Dictionaries Online

For the Merriem Webster definition, it says "despite indisputable evidence". What is the evidence, and what does it point to?

Uh I don't know,how bout their genital organs and dna(Not to mention their Adams Apple protuberance,pelvic diameter,among other things)

"In normal, living humans, sex is a discrete trait determined by the actions of the XX or XY genotype and diagnosed by observing one of only two possible morphological features. These differences (e.g. external genitalia) are apparent at birth and clearly recognizable even during the prenatal period."

http://what-when-how.com/forensic-sciences/sex-determination/

Factually the sex that you were born as cannot be changed. You can take the hormones, change your body parts, learn how to walk and talk and act differently. But realistically, scientifically you are what you are. If you do have a sex change and pass away, many years from now if an archeologist found your bones they would be able to tell which sex you are. This is possible because you cannot change the sex that you are.

Science, I love science! There are a lot of smart people here so I think this is the best place to talk about delusion. My question is when I encounter a delusional person who thinks that they are superior, and believes that their opinion is more credible than anyone else, should I take the initiative to confront them to attempt to teach them that they have a mental disorder, or should I ignore it in the hopes they will figure it out in their own time? I am only interested in the science of the subject of delusion, not opinions.

Lol yeah that does seem like a dumb question in retrospect. Derp.

It's not that transgender people exist, it's that we're expected to just accept that somebody's sex has changed just because they said so. If thy go through the actual process that's one thing (although I still think it is a bad idea) but just saying that someone can change sex by self identification is absolutely 100% retarded.

I agree with some of that, but I think that we don't have the right to tell people how they can and can't think. Whatever floats their boat, you know?

I never thought I'd have to explain that a p**is is indisputable evidence that you're male to an adult.

Rational thought really has decayed to an insanely low level.

Why should you give a damn about how someone else lives their life? If they want to be different then let them, its not your right to tell them how to live

I never thought I'd have to explain that if someone identifies with a certain gender, it's disrespectful to call them otherwise. IDK if you're a boy or a girl, but let's say that you're a boy but people keep referring to you with "she" pronouns? Isn't that disrespectful?

I don't have a problem with transgender people( although technically against my religion) it is the bathroom dispute, like a grown man can go into a women's restroom and look at / touch young girls

In order to trans-form into the opposite gender one MUST complete intensive psychotherapy, gender reassignment hormonal therapy, and most importantly gender reassignment surgery. Not just Brest implants or reduction.
If you are a woman with a p*nis then you are a man. Same for a girl with a vay-j-j.
A man in a dress with a p*nis who intends to date women ( Bruce Jenner) is a man in a dress, not a lesbian. Vice versa also applies. A dear friend who happens to be a lesbian laughs because now she can don her usual masculine attire and tell the world she's "trans" without changing one bit from the person she has been for 50+ years.

You're talking about a transsexual not transgender.

Transsexual is an older term. It has lost favor within the trans communities and transgender is the preferred umbrella term. However, you are correct those who "feel like the opposite gender" do not undergo the same reassignment as those who truly believe they are in the wrong body. In the present to-do re: going to the potty, I have not met a single trans person who does not live as their preferred gender. Therefore unless there is a gender examiner at the potty door no one will know who is in the next stall.
Common sense tells me if there are perverts desperate enough to see grandma pooping, they have donned disguises and snooped already b

Ummmmmm no...nobody transitions from one gender to the other just because they feel like it. I am a girl and I am happy being a girl. Some people just don't feel the same way.

Right, like men.

What? Most men are okay with being men. Some aren't, so they switch. Idk what you mean...

I was joking, you said "some people don't feel the same way (happy being a girl)".

Oh XD I didn't get that at first :P What I meant to say is that some girls don't feel like girls, so they switch. It's the same for men.

Another reason to all become anti-conformists.

Be a woman, be Sybil and be a different woman every day of the week if that's what you want. Just don't force me to play your game, otherwise I think most of us don't give a shit.

I'm feeling a little dumb today, could you put that in layman's terms?

I'm jist saying people can pretend to be whatever they want as long as they don't look to force everyone else to go along/be a part of it.

I think that is definitely true.

I love the way so many try to FORCE others to "understand" their side of this issue with taunts of ignorance, it is always the same argument. Maybe I've read too many comments by now but usually I can tell you what is coming before they even think of their response.

It's not ignorant to understand the basic differences in a man and a woman. It's ignorant to totally throw biology out the window in favor of feelings. I won't mince words, I think people with gender dysphoria need mental help, not surgery.

I don't care what a transgender person does in their spare time but the staggering attempted suicide rate speaks for itself. These people are not becoming happier by pretending to be women (or men) and encouraging it simply for the sake of being some politically correct social justice warrior is not only irresponsible, it is costing these people their lives.

The former psychiatrist in chief of John Hopkins agrees

"policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

Well, yeah, having a whole crowd of people supporting the cognitive dissonance that is a person of a certain physicial gender struggling with the denial of their own sex, or wanting of another - I'm sorry about that, but humans aren't just fresh out of the pan, we're an old civilisation, and we're also some natural production, however artifical we'd like to imagine ourselves : I don't believe it's naturally sound to refute the reality. You can feel however particular as you wish, or intensely as you do, it probably really just boils down to some identification, somewhere, which can be supported, or nicely exposed, but shouldn't, ever, make you sick.
Just take it for an example - when you think beauty nowadays, what d'you refer to? The ladies, in general. At least, that's what I expect. It only implies some guys will not want to get left out, and that's logical too, they might adopt feministic features, more or less abusively. I'm not transgender nor do I aspire to becoming one, and I'm a proud male with all the glorious flaws cons and qualities, but I do tie up my hair with a chopstick, after all.

At least some understand "the emperor" is buck nekkid.

I DO think that it is something that everyone needs to understand, though. People don't understand individuals with gender dysphoria, so they get treated negatively (just ask North Carolina), which is disheartening to see in a society where everyone is "equal"

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It needs to be treated not capitulated too.

I remember when homosexuality was treated as an illness

So if some man is happy pretending he's a woman, then you would gladly institutionalize him and ruin his life? Sounds like a d**k thing to do.

Come on man, no one said institutionalize, this is why it is so hard to have relevant conversations, because it always always ends up with someone having to blow something way out of proportion. Mental health is NOT synonymous with institutionalizing and you are far more intelligent than that, I know you are.

There is something fundamentally wrong with what you just said. This is a society where everyone is CREATED equally and has equal rights of protection based on race, religion and sex, not sexual self identification. This is NOT a society where everyone IS equal. Not understanding the fundamental differences between those two statements is what is causing the train wreck this country is in today.

Touche. But their is something MORALLY wrong with what YOU just said. Are we just going to throw an entire group of people under the bus because your Little Red Book says that we legally can? You have now qualms about disenfranchising millions of people because they feel more comfortable as the opposite gender? The last time I subjugated or ostracized someone because they were different than me, I was crapping in diapers and using crayons to color in pictures of Winnie the Pooh. The fact that the same cannot be said for YOU is what is causing the train wreck that this country is today, NOT the fact that people are willing to use 250 year old words to put down other people.
I apologize if I offended or came on to strong, but I feel sickened when I see people being treated unequally solely because they are different.

Yeah, you came on too strong. I never claimed to treat anyone differently, in fact I am very consistent. If you tried telling me you were the quarterback for the Broncos last year and I didn't believe you, I would treat you the same as a man who tries to make me believe he is a woman. The degree to which you believe this, has no bearing on the degree as to which I will believe it.

It doesn't say anything about hating, per se, but the NT talks about homosexuality.

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error ... 32 They know God’s decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die

"Little red book" refers to the Bible? In the New Testament it does NOT say to hate homosexuals, etc. it deals mainly with the problems that Christians have & how to live more like Jesus. Those who know it, am I wrong??

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I'm not sure what that means???

Then maybe you should start following it.

I think the purpose of this meme is that they're still technically men.

I like you. You're smart.

You are exactly right. Some conservatives (not all, but some) are just extremely self-entitled and try to force everyone to follow their values, but then make fun of liberals for believing what they do.

John 2:15 (NLT) Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers' coins over the floor, and turned over their tables.

yeah!

A man who pretends to be a woman is lying, and nobody should be forced to endorse a lie.

Why should you even give a damn about how someone else lives? If they are happy in their little bubble why pop it?

Why aren't you following that dictum yourself? Why are you trying to convince others to believe the way you do?

I'm trying to convince others that they have no business deciding who shits in which bathroom. I'm not trying to change your convoluted opinion. Also, I believe the original statement was "Why should you even give a damn about how someone else lives? If they are happy in their little bubble why pop it?". Did I try to convince you to like or accept transgender people? Nope. So please grow ears, a brain, or both.

No need for that kind of disrespectful language.

There are many perverted people out there who will disquise themselves just to get to a little boy or girl. Its dangerous and discusting

Name one who you saw in the news doing that, without using Google. Meanwhile, I'll name some of the straight, monogender, anti trans POLITICIANS who've molested someone. Bobby Stumbo, John Gosek, David Swartz. . .

My mom told me a story that was in the news on TV about a man who peaked inside a little boys bathroom stall. Pretty scary

So a man was in the men's bathroom? Not a trans person, that's got nothing to do with the original topic.

I also heard a story about a 14 year old girl who was harrassed by a transgender guy in the planet fitness girls locker room

I typed those exact words into Google and got several stories about a lady harassing a TRANS person, not the other way around. What was your source?

Actually, I did hear the story on the news, thank you very much

Still waiting. . .

What boggles my mind is that masses of people have decided that they are psychology professionals, having the authority to judge transsexualism as is a mental disorder, and/or debating whether or not it exists. While at the same time believing that they have the authority to invade someones privacy by confronting people if they use a restroom other than the conventional one, just because they don't understand transsexualism.

The same way a person walks around sure of them self, and thinking that they are superior to everyone else. All the while everyone who that person encounters sees them for who they really are, a one dimensional arrogant twerp. Is exactly how a transsexual believes they are different gender even though they have the opposite genitals.