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Who is wrong as a leftard? Asking for a friend.

Well I’d explain it to you, but I’m afraid I’d be flagged and comment banned for an excessive amount of time. So if you know what separates a man and a woman and can define it without getting flagged, I’d love for you to share.

Oh please explain it to us. I’ll get my 🍿

Brazil had a chance with Bolsonaro, the global vote cheaters got there and sealed their fate.

Well, I'm not a biologist. But it's not as simple as XX/XY at least. Or Adam and Eve. Does that help?

This whole gender debate has got out of hand and has become kind of pathetic, no offence. We could be living on Mars by now. Instead, we're arguing over our body parts. Stay classy, humans.

And keep voting for narcissistic nutjobs like Trump who live in the Middle Ages and are straight out of the DSM. But you do you, AMERICA.

Uh dude. You aren't a biologist, so that qualifies you for Supreme Court Justice, but then you can't comment on DNA. What's it going to be?
Certain things are immutable, like chromosomes. Do you you know what trans involves? If you are XY, you get castrated and other sexual characteristics surgically removed. Then you have a part of your colon removed and recalibrated into a simulated va**na without benefits. Without artificial hormone replacement and breast implants you are just a dude without man parts and a major colon surgery. Female hack parts off, take a muscle out of one of your forearms and make it look like a non-functional model of a man part without benefits. How cool is that? And don't take the hormones, in fact even if you do take them you're still justva chick without lady parts and attached imitations. Forever. They can't change chromosomes, so you are what you've been all along, with future health issues guaranteed. It's called reality, not Adam and Eve.

Okay, so look. Like you say, I'm not a biologist, a geneticist, or whatever, and I don't claim to be.

I'm not a biologist or geneticist; you're absolutely right. That's why I can't argue confidently on this point. Because I don't have a background in this stuff. If you ask me about other stuff, I can argue more confidently. But I can't argue on this specific topic.

My simple point was this:

Some RW people claim this idea that human sex is black and white, and it's as simple as XX vs XY.

I'm simply critiquing that idea. It's really not that simple. I'm a cisgender heterosexual male atheist. I have no agenda to push, honestly.

I just care about facts. That's it.

I think this might help. Sex, male and female is the reality throughout biology, as are the different types of reproduction, asexual and sexual. This even applies to certain plants which have male and female distinctions. It's real, tangible, measurable and discernable.
What you are talking about is sexual preferences. Two gay men will never sexually reproduce a child. Two lesbian women will never sexually reproduce a child. That is just reality. Yes they can have a surrogate, and many do, but the fact is unchangeable across all species, two females cannot reproduce with each other. Two males cannot reproduce with each other. That is sex.
Sexual activity that does not produce offspring is a preference. If a man is unattracted to women and attracted to men, that is a preference, even if someone claims they have no choice about their attractions. How they achieve or give an orgasm is a lifestyle preference. Sex as defined by science is black and white, preferences are not.

If you cared about facts as you state.. then you would stand with the genetic Chromosomal designation determination of sex xx xy that has been accepted world wide as the standard.

When you start saying...oh sex if not black and white and gender is what ever people feel like... you are no longer standing with facts... feeling never align with facts.. Biology states there are 2 defined genders. Science also states factually, that those chromosomes can not become the oppposite once they have their Chromosomal designation. people ignore facts when they talk about being transgendered...it is a mental condition that should be treated with meds.

Well, you're just not correct with that. Sorry. And I don't care how many downvotes I get.

XX/XY is not quite how it works.

I don't have to have a PhD in genetics to know that. I'm not a geneticist and don't have a PhD in Biology, I admit it. But I have a mind.

"feeling never align with facts"

YES. I 100% agree with you. Science doesn't care about your feelings.

Nature is very complex in a lot of species and even biological sex is not as clear-cut as you might like it to be (before we even get on to "gender"). There are species that literally completely change sex. Male seahorses famously give birth.

If you think sex is really as simple and black and white as male = XY and female = XY chromosomes, then I'm afraid it may be you that is oversimplifying things.

Oops. I meant male = XY and female = XX.

Grr.

Anyway, it's not like I have a difference.

Male is XY. Female is XX.

In MOST cases.

Trump club seems to think it's black and white.(Could it be that Trump Club never left the village? Or would that be snobbish?)

Anyway, reality is more nuanced.

Sex is not determined just by chromosomes. God forbid life is a bit more complicated. And you have to use your brain?

Humans are not sea horses and we are not earth worms or anything else that can change sexes at will or at certain points of our life. We are mammals - thus my original point still stands.

In mammals, sex is determined by the presence of X and Y chromosomes, where females typically have two X chromosomes (XX) and males have one X and one Y chromosome (XY). The Y chromosome carries the SRY gene, which triggers male development.

When you start to say humans are more complex - sure we are, but out biology is not- our chromosomes are set in stone. Now if you want to talk of Psychology and mental illnesses then we can talk about people who think they can change genders.

Yes. I do concede that. We are talking about humans so, fine, we can can discount seahorses and clownfish or whatever other weird species. We'll stick to sex in humans. Fair enough. So let's focus in on humans specifically.

You are absolutely correct that human chromosomes can't be changed. I'm not aware that we currently have the the tech to change chromosomes.

Again, I'm simply pointing out that human sex is not 100% black and white.

MOST humans are XX female and XY female. The vast majority, even.

ALL I'm saying is that some are not. Even if it's a tiny minority.

And while that may be a minority it arguably at least disproves your sex binary idea that it's one or the other. That's it. Why is this even controversial?

I haven't even touched on trans issues or gender or any of that stuff so I don't know why some people are focussing on that. That's a totally different debate. But I'm not having that debate right now, nor do I wish to. That's for a different day. I'm just saying biological sex is not black and white. That's literally it.

This is nothing to do with trans people. AT ALL. I'm literally just saying that the idea that human sex is as simple as chromosomes is not quite that simple. Which it isn't. You can have XY chromosomes and still present as female. Or vice versa. This is not some cultural debate. It's about biology. Save your culture for later.

Firstly, chromosomes. It's not chromosomes anyway. Hormones play a big part. Sex is not just chromosomes ffs.

There are many chromosomal variants too. Some people have XXXX chromosomes ffs. Yes, these are rare, but then by definition sex is not as binary as you thought.

I don't even know what we're arguing about tbh.

I'm not trying to claim anything controversial or push some agenda. Just that sexual differences exist. Ask a doctor. I dunno.

ANytihng other then xx xy are considered genetic mutations the are defined by charatcer triats such as downs syndrome, and xxxx is not a gender -

Tetrasomy X
Rare chromosomal disorder with 4 X chromosomes
Tetrasomy X, also known as 48,XXXX, is a chromosomal disorder in which a female has four, rather than two, copies of the X chromosome. It is associated with intellectual disability of varying severity, characteristic "coarse" facial features, heart defects, and skeletal anomalies such as increased height, clinodactyly, and radioulnar synostosis. Tetrasomy X is a rare condition, with few medically recognized cases; it is estimated to occur in approximately 1 in 50,000 females.

it is genetic mutation that results in mental disabilities and phsyical disabilites

Sex is binary..100% xx xy that is it for humans

😂 yes you are most certainly not a biologist, and true to leftist form you can’t define what a man or woman is. What a confused generation of non biologists you are.

You are correct: I'm not a biologist or a geneticist.

As for the "leftist" label, that's you adding that. I don't necessarily identify as a "leftist", actually (or a libtard, lol). But whatever. Call me that if you want. I don't particularly care that much. But it's not what I call myself.

I’m not a butcher but I know what a steak is. 😂 I’m not an anthropologist but I can tell the difference between a monkey and a man.

WUT? I don't follow. Sorry; I'm dumb.

I hope you're not making some absurd racist analogy.

I don't have time for that. I know some people call Jews "monkeys". But I have no time for that kind of thing. I find that kind of thing pathetic, no offence. So I hope that's not what you're saying. I may be against what the Israeli govt is doing, but that doesn't mean I have a problem with Jews. Come on. That's a bit pathetic.

I hate what what the UK govt is doing in Yemen. Does that mean I hate British people? Come on?

So quick to try to become the victim. The statement is quite clear no innuendo implied. The point is you don’t need to be an anthropologist to know the difference between an ape and a man, nor do you need to be a biologist to tell the difference between a man and a woman.

Okay, so at least we've established you're not saying Jews are "apes" or anything equally repulsive. Thank you. I was beginning to get a bit worried. I know this place is full of Trump-supporting nutjobs (and we know it's all too easy to assume they're illiterate idiots), but I hope that at least even they have some basic grasp of reality, morality and common decency, so thank you.

Look, I'm simply trying to point out that biology is complex and sex is not a cut-and-dried male = XY and female = XX, and you're trying to "own" me with cheap tricks. Even in humans, it's more complex than that. Let alone other species.

What do you want me to do? I'm not trying to be a "victim". This entire debate doesn't even affect me anyway. I'm a "cisgender" straight "white" male and half the radical woke left also hate my guts. So why do I even give a f**k? Do you think I'm here to win points?

I'm simply pointing out that that sex is not as simple as just chromosomes (XX = female and XY = male), and actually is a bit more complex than we've been led to believe.

That's literally it. I'm not a geneticist or a doctor. That's all I know.

What is the issue, exactly?

I thought you weren’t a biologist? Now you’re spouting new age biological theories that defy science. It’s that simple p**is = Male. No p**is = female. How absolutely absurd to claim anything else. It is a disservice to propagate politics based lie on humanity. You can pretend to be what you want, but you can’t change your sex no matter what you cut off or add on.

Correct. I don't claim to be a biologist (unless high school Biology counts lol).

You said:
>You can pretend to be what you want, but you can’t change your sex no matter what you cut off or add on.

I think you may be slightly misinterpreting me here or projecting slightly, sorry & no offence intended. I'm not here for a debate on trans people (or "gender identity") on this specific thread. That's a whole separate (complex) conversation. I'm talking about actual biological sex.

Also not sure how New Age beliefs factor into this, unless the hippies at Glastonbury have decided to really wade heavily into this debate. I'm simply talking about sex (not gender, or trans people).

You said:
>It’s that simple p**is = Male. No p**is = female

& your argument is that I apparently don't agree with that, which makes me guilty of pushing New Age nonsense about gender ideology. I think this discussion might have got slightly lost in translation. The trans debate is for a different day. I'm talking about chromosomes & hormones & stuff. (Sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I want to make it clear this is NOT about trans people.)

So if I've understood correctly, your claim is that human males have a p**is & human females don't have a p**is, & disagreeing with that is just silly. Sounds reasonable, right? You check a newborn baby. If they have a p**is, they're male; if they don't, they're female, right?

The thing is biology is annoying & doesn't always work that way.

Yes, that is what happens in the VAST majority of cases. BUT exceptions exist.

Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22199-androgen-insensitivity-syndrome

Some individuals are born with XY chromosomes, but do not develop p**ises. What sex are they?

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK539904/

Many are born with ambiguous genitalia & even raised as females.

& ofc intersex people exist (what we used to call "hermaphrodites"). Around 1.7% of the population apparently (about the same as red hair, if you believe the stats). Yes, it's a minority and it doesn't disprove the general fact that male & female clearly exist, but it still calls into question the black-and-white idea that human sex is just male = XY and female = XX. They're still people with rights. So what precise sex are they exactly? This is nothing whatsoever to do with being trans, or to do with sexual orientation. It's just a biological difference.

Are we not men? We are DEVO!

😂 not if it means men evolve into women or vise versa.