What if i told you

Upvoted. No surprise. It's the simple truth. People are supposedly taught the 'science' during their public school years and then told to forget the science in the face of leftist based ideology and scams. So that's what all to many of these natural sheeple types do.

Excellent!!

Damnit

heh heh

Do you believe in Climate CHange?

Great term, because it's indisputable. Global Warming ran aground in 2000 after crawling higher till 1999. I was supposed to be able to grow mangoes out back by now.

But I found your comment to be funny, short and to the point.

But like its caused by humans

Certainly no shill for Big Coal here but there's a bit more context to this story.

Firstly, it's a few years old (although that's by the by).

The Keyenberg wind park next to the Garzweiler coal mine consisted of only 8 turbines. They were built in 2001 and govt subsidies only run for 20 years, so they were at an age when they could be decommissioned or replaced with newer versions anyway (or at least make less financial sense to keep operating). Since they were old, they were much less efficient than newer turbines. Expanding the mine if necessary and thus dismantling the turbines was already (apparently) in the contract when they were built over 20 years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/26/german-windfarm-coalmine-keyenberg-turbines-climate

Germany is still due to phase out coal plants by 2030. It was actually originally 2038, but RWE, the company that owns the mine, did a deal in 2022 with the German govt to bring the date forward.

So they dug up the old turbines as part of the original agreement, but later separately committed to ending coal extraction 8 years earlier than planned in exchange for keeping a couple of plants running longer than scheduled. Energy security concerns, (especially in light of the Ukraine war), and due to Germany scaling back nuclear, played a part. Germany is still building 100s of wind farms on other sites every year and has set a target of 80% renewables by 2030 (100% by 2035) and being carbon neutral by 2045.

https://www.rechargenews.com/energy-transition/well-more-than-compensate-rwe-defends-green-credentials-in-scrap-wind-for-coal-mine-row/2-1-1343916?zephr_sso_ott=BePtwd
https://www.iea.org/countries/germany

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germanys-aim-80-percent-renewables-electricity-2030-well-within-reach-minister#

It's still controversial (especially given lignite is one of the dirtier forms of coal) and obviously not a good look. Building new wind farms takes a lot longer than just replacing turbines on an existing site, even if it was only a few turbines. So lots of protests ensued. "Naturally", Greta was there. But it's not like Germany is suddenly rolling back on its renewables targets and digging up turbines everywhere to ramp up coal mining.

https://brusselssignal.eu/2023/08/germany-starts-dismantling-wind-farm-to-make-room-for-lignite-coal-mine/

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1657uiy/germany_begins_dismantling_wind_farm_for_coal/

PS Feel free to fact check any of this.

Yes, there are more trees on the planet now than over a decade ago. Thanks to India and China using fossil fuels... NASA said so.

Certainly Obtuse

Sorry, who's being obtuse? I mentioned Universal Basic Income in a separate comment as one option in the (hypothetical) context of AI and automation potentially replacing jobs. I don't know if that will ever happen or is even viable. It's never been tested on a large scale (but small-scale trials have shown promising results). Are you making an acute observation? 🤔

And I pointed out some background to this story above about a wind farm being dismantled to allow for expansion of a coal mine, because some important relevant details were left out of the original post and it was potentially misleading. Details matter. Many others would not take the time to do that and would just post personal insults, resort to whataboutery, or refuse to dialogue. Everything I post is free to be challenged and you can check all the sources yourself to scrutinize them or suggest better ones.

Also correction to the above: I meant "100s of wind turbines*", not farms.

And yes, global greening is a thing and I believe you are correct. It's a fascinating phenomenon, actually. As CO2 levels rise, the planet actually initially gets greener up to a point as it encourages plant growth. But this is complex and doesn't take into account other problems like biodiversity loss and ecosystem disruption, and simultaneous desertification and loss of permafrost and ancient forests in other areas, among other things. More trees in one area doesn't necessarily offset environmental damage elsewhere on the globe.

Admittedly according to my understanding because I don't have a PhD in Climate Science or a relevant field. And I don't claim to be an expert. If any actual climate scientists would like to weigh in, that's welcome. I'm just a layperson trying to make sense of a highly complex phenomenon that I'm not even sure anyone fully understands, as I assume many (if not most) here also are.

ok

Welll, those people are idiots.

*It's taken 60yrs for Henry Kissinger's pet student to get things set up for this moment in time, allegedly

https://www.weforum.org/about/klaus-schwab/

Coming out of the little ice age and that scary graph of 100 years goes up one degree. Big scare for no reason

you see that big spike at the end of my other post? and the little ice age took hundreds of years to develop, as seen by this picture.

I'd put more stock in contemporary reports of failed crops and famine than scientists trying to score some research bucks

At least Global Warming/Cooling makes sense. 'climate change' covers whatever we say today.

WYTM 201
https://youtu.be/vDGorIWYz-A?si=fYmVR1GgKs2LqeIm

Amen,

https://www.weforum.org/about/leadership-and-governance/

...and AL GORE invented the internet so he one day could be on the Board of Directors
with Biden's appointee to the World Bank, whom is on the Board of Directors also with Kamala Harris great plans that she made up all by herself for her 2021 PCA Partnership for Central America. (Like a good Marxist, it was/is a melding of Private and Public Tax Money, USAID for Social Engineering) And the 2025 hotlist of 116 Young Global Leaders under 40 years old, practicing age discrimination for the alleged purpose of eliminating the USA and destroying the Bill of Rights of the USA Constitutional Republic from within. Who knew UTOPIA could originate from such an elite group of humans? Right?

www.wef.ch/ygl25

*Ivanka Trump was once on this list, yet at age 43, she's timed-out on their definition of "young".

https://www.marketplace.org/story/2021/05/28/harris-engages-companies-to-help-central-american-economies

Al Gore *did not* invent the internet. Not sure where you got that idea from or if you're just messing around and I missed the joke. Presumably, you're referring to a CNN interview he gave in 1999, in which he said:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

This was later commented on by two of the *actual* pioneers of the internet, Cerf and Kahn (see below), who in fact wrote in defence of Gore:

"But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/internet-of-lies/

The idea that Al Gore "invented the internet", or even explicitly claimed to, is a myth and was debunked ages ago. He was just sloppy and careless with his words.

What actually happened:

The internet was a collaborative effort involving dozens of scientists and engineers over many decades, the most well known of them being US engineers Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn, who were instrumental in coming up with the TCP/IP, which is the suite of protocols that the internet is built on.

https://www.history.com/articles/who-invented-the-internet

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/government/cerf-kahn-bio.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_protocol_suite

As for the World Wide Web, which is not the same as the internet, it's common knowledge that that was invented by a British computer scientist, Tim Berners-Lee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

PS I agree that arbitrary age limits (especially upper age limits) are very annoying, actually, and they do my head in too (although tbf it is called "Young Global Leaders" and there's no shortage of schemes around the world that have similar age cutoffs). But there's no conspiracy going on.

The Young Republicans is just one of countless examples of programmes open to people within a specific age range (in this case, 18–40). It's a pro-Republican movement and "the oldest political youth organization in the United States". You can look them up for yourself if you want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Republicans

Well, since you are so up on AL GORE,
be so kind as to tell us why such an upstanding statesman, a former Vice President of the USA, could possibly quote verbatim (Theodor Adorno) in reply to a question in a recent interview with Bill Maher,
and give us your insight as to why AL DOES NOT attribute his important quote,
to the person he quoted?

Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up!

Nope, we were shown data and arguments.
As for people who don't believe in it, where do they get that belief from? 🤔

From reading the data and arguments in the reports, not just the introduction and cover letters

For Starters, Dr. Henry Kissinger, through his protege', Klaus Schwab

https://www.weforum.org/about/klaus-schwab/

Currently ? Likely the people handpicked for his pet project that he leaves the planet:

https://www.weforum.org/about/leadership-and-governance/

Scientist were not told. They investigated and came to conclusions on their own. Your mene and attitude is doublespeak.

If covid taught us anything, it was that everyone has their price

Can you concede that some debacles: climate, covid, psychiatry, 7-11 big gulps etc happened for no good reason. I'm merely in the camp that is more forgiving of humans when they leverage disaster circumstances for profit. Because that sentences there is also a description of a meta-debacle. And who in God's name leverages such big picture messes ups. I would not even want to know.

I'll go along with big gulps; the rest were money or power over your fellow beings

...my last gasp of arguing: 7-11 is GOD!!!!!!!!!! (Thxs for the interaction.)

Ikr? My vaxxes were all free. The masks cost a few bucks though. Ripoff. 🙄