They set us back at least 100 years

Thrown in an unhealthy amount of "Not our fault!" and it's like a never ending repeat of what Adam, Eve, and the Serpent said just moments before God had enough, gave them (and us) the punishments, and kicked them out of Eden. The fact the US still exists in the literal meaning of the word is a miracle considering what people have done in the past few or more decades.

Its only because we send billions in aid money to 3rd world countries. If it wasn't for that, God would have wiped us out decades ago.

Actually, we don't automatically assume you're a conspiracy theorist. We just have to wait 7 seconds and y'all prove it.

damn

The Left is against change and progress. Spend more money on welfare programs and less on Elon Musk's daydreams of a better world. They want more corruption of the status quo.

Yeah that's totally what Leftists are, against change and progress. So sad they keep holding Conservatives back from ushering in that new Jetsons tomorrow.

"The Left is against change and progress." You actually typed that with a straight face?

I've said this before, and I'm gonna say it again- if I had been born back then I would have voted for the Republican party. Because they were the progressives for their time. They even wanted universal healthcare. They didn't want to restrict immigration. They wanted to raise taxes for civil projects. They wanted to pay people a living wage.

Does any of that sound like the Republican party of today?

No you wouldn't have. No democrat, voter or elected official, supported the absolution of slavery.

Yes, I would have. I am a progressive. I vote for progressive candidates. I would have voted Republican.

Actually they did, the Northern faction cleaving off from Southern Democrats, fielding their own separate candidate in the election of 1860.

But you already know this, and have seen this map how many times already?

Thou shalt nots:
Bear false witness
&
Fabricate

Because God watchethes

Well I gave it a few googles, and I must say that I've found that none of the policies youve stated were held by Republicans of the time.

They did not want free healthcare of any kind outside of the military.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/frederick-law-olmsteds-war-on-disease-and-disunity?

They did not want fewer restrictions on immigration, (not Illegal immigration, mind you) but more immigrants that still abided by those restrictions.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/feb/10/lincoln-harold-holzer-immigration-brought-forth-on-this-continent?

And they only increased taxes to support the war effort, and then even making the most taxed pay only 5%.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/say-happy-birthday-to-the-first-income-tax?

No, in fact they all sound like bad ideas.

And that's how you know they weren't conservative.

You are misinformed about the Republican Party. Free Soil folks who joined the Republican Party wanted the West to be all white. It's more complicated than that. The Republican Party was a reaction to the Kansas-Nebraska Act. They wanted to stop the expansion of slavery. Please read a book. I can't explain all this in this format.

Republicans weren't progressive, they saw slavery is a moral wrong. Lincoln not only was a segregationist, he wanted to boot them of the US all together, and tried.

It's like people who are against hunting because they find it to be cruel. Last thing they want is for deer to enter their yards and start munching away on their prized azaleas.

That actually literally happened in Westchester around the late 80s. Despite being mainly suburban, it's still relatively densely populated. So hunting season is more limited and confined to bow and arrow as opposed to rifle.

There was this woman whose name I forget that was THE big activist seeking to ban hunting in the area. But there was a lot of new houses built then, and so deer, squeezed for space, started increasingly venturing into people's yards. Including hers. They started eating her flowers.

She actually ended up switching from being the biggest anti-hunting activist in Westchester to being the biggest proponent of expanding the hunting season time-wise and to include guns as well. Because they ate her flowers.

They were not progressive by today's standards, yes. But, as I said, they were the progressive party in their time.

Their main concern was preventing slavery expanding into the Western territories.

Craig provided a reason why above.
I did a little looking into that now. Slavery was viewed as unfair competition for smaller farmers. Working for free obviously costs less than paid labor. They also lacked the capital to buy larger farms, perpetuating their impoverished status. Plus there the stigma of being looked at a little more than a slave, performing same tasks for little money.

In addition to Republican Party was pro-business as well as pro-big/centralized government.

Freeing the slaves after the war was more about breaking the South economically, thus hindering the ability for it to seek Independence again. To this day it is still very much tethered to the north for its economics survival.

🤣

Never mess with the azaleas. That's enough to turn anyone.

It's an unspoken rule

The Great Society did not work. It is time to drop socialism and move forward into the future. Social engineering is not real engineering. It's about controlling people.

Oh it’s not just about the Republican Party.

Leftard haha. Might start using that. 🥳 What's a rightwhinger called then? A rightard? 🤔 (Sounds a bit like retard lol.) "Oh man, that's so rightarded!"

Also, no colour TV in 2025? What happened?

Careful, unless you're MAGA, those words are all TOS violations, and you will get a timer.

What's that? Trump Obsession Syndrome? Is a "timer" like going to the Naughty Corner in pre-school? (At least tell me you get to wear a funky little pointy dunce hat like in the good ol' days.) 🤔

Break the house rules, and we get to save on the time we spend applying ample amounts of aloe to our blistering bruises by getting quickie sabbaticals - first 2 hours off, then 6, then 8, then 24, then 48.

But it depends on which 'side' you're on.
I reckon they have greater expectations for a certain more civil contingency and thus are harsher on them while taking it easier on those who 'don't know better' due to the limitations generated by reactive amygdala-centered brain processes.

Ooh a free vacay. Nice. I love a good holiday.

I don't know which "side" I'm on though. 🤔 Do I have to pick, and are there only 2 or are we talking about a few more options? What about a myriagon? That has 10,000 sides.

What if I want to be outside in the countryside at the seaside? I like the seaside. Great place to get fresh with people and chill when I'm feeling a bit salty and want to dry my tears.

Should I say I'm on the flipside, or am I allowed to be lazy and just say I'm on my backside? That's one of my favourite political positions. You meet all the best fellow assholes and buttheads in that club, along with a few lazy bums who don't join in discussions much.

You don't have to know which 'side' you're on. There are only two allowed, and one will be assigned to you depending on whether or not you wear the Mark of the Fleece. If you don't properly adulate il Douche, then your GPS will be set to Siberia for you.

Luckily I do adulate Agent Orange. I make him into memes. That's the best form of flattery. 😍

Is it a golden fleece they get to wear? If so, I may be interested. Always fancied magic powers.

He's an inspiration to us all.

Not exactly a golden fleece, more like the bark of the beast. It's very noisy and has a bad habit of keeping up the neighbors.

Do I have to make dog memes now?

Possibly

PS Are we assigned Left or Right at birth and can never change, or are we allowed to identify as a different one later on? 🤔

I'm from the Bronx, NYC. According to our colleagues here, everyone here is automatically registered as a Democrat upon birth, has rainbow colored hair, a torched Tesla Truck parked in the driveway (a neat trick since we supposedly all reside in slum buildings), and engages in wild sexual group activities out on the streets with even people outside of our racial category, which, quite frankly, sounds pretty damn awesome.

Wow. Bronx. You equals gangsta.

One paradox I don't understand though: you're a leftie libtard but you have a Tesla?

Even tho Musk is BFFs with Trump?

(Or at least he was, cos I heard recently him and Chump have fallen out a bit oops. Chump even stopped tweeting about him. Oh well.)

No comment. I once got 48 for using slang from my own town. "Mocking Ebonics" was the charge.

Nothing for the fella pretending that he was from here also referring to such lingo. Guy actually claimed that Brooklyn was chock full of trailer parks. If you can afford property in Brooklyn, you can afford something slightly more than putting a trailer park on it.

It's like going to some fancy schmancy way too expensive French restaurant and ordering McDonald's instead of a boiled quail egg with a sprig of asparagus with a half teaspoon of mustard & white wine reduction sauce for a little color.

Tbf I have shaved purpled hair and a tattoo on my forearm that says "Lenin Forever".

I also get triggered by everything. Stop breathing. That triggers me.

I feel your pain.

I am what you crazies call "MAGA" and I have had comments and memes deleted and unfeatured for the very thing you think only the left on here get in trouble for. It isn't just a right vs left problem on this site; it's a universal problem. You can't call names and you can't go after anyone in the trans community. I know this first hand.

As for the "crazies" part, I fully accept that moniker lol. But I'm a freelance crazy and don't draw a salary; I'm not aligned with the official Crazy Movement. (I annoy them too much as well.) A vigilante crazy, if you like. I'm available for hire btw. Let me know who you want me to troll and I'll see what I can do.

Good to know the Naughty Corner is a diverse place. Everyone's welcome to get a timeout haha. 🥳

Being MAGA is one thing. You're perfectly entitled to that. There'd be nothing to debate otherwise and we wouldn't have half the memes we do. And a world without memes would be a sad world indeed. We all need each other to make the world go round lol.

But why do you want to call people names and go after trans people? 😅 (Shouldn't be stalking anyone tbf, trans or not.) And are we talking proper name-calling or just saying they're a dumbass or silly billy or sth? Is there a handy list of acceptable insults lol?

"But why do you want to call people names and go after trans people? 😅 (Shouldn't be stalking anyone tbf, trans or not."

What you people call "attacking" and "going after" is disagreeing with that lunacy. Adults can do whatever they want, but when it affects others, that's where I have a problem. I follow basic biology and I don't put my feelings above reality. Men cannot become women and women cannot become men. And when you start going after children, that is abuse and I don't condone child abuse.

Okay gotcha. Good to know it sounds like you're not just calling trans people rude names. Disagreeing with something is different. But it's such a thorny and complex topic and here isn't the ideal format to go into it in depth tbf. (Eg biology isn't *quite* as black and white as it first appears. There are intersex people born naturally with both male and female sex organs, for example, and plenty of conditions where people have different sets of chromosomes to the XX = female and XY = male that we were taught in high school, so in those cases even terms like "men" and "women" are not quite as clear cut. Obviously those are not the same thing as the trans debate (and it's also a minority of people, granted, although I don't think that should make any difference to anyone's rights), but just to point out life is a bit nuanced.)

I'm not qualified enough to speak on this tbh since I'm not part of any of those groups of people nor am I a doctor, geneticist or with lived experience of any of the things said groups experience. I'm not inside their bodies. And I'm not particularly here to change your or anyone's mind anyway. That's notoriously hard to do. Like you trying to swing me to be a Trump supporter (you never know lol, but I can't see it happening just yet – would need quite a lot of convincing). But we can still engage and I think that's worth sth.

FWIW, when you say "you people", I'm not sure I fit into that category. I have my own opinions on a lot of things. It's true I might share a lot with the stereotype of the people I assume you're referencing (the leftie libtards lol) but not all of them, and certainly not the more extreme fringe elements. (Dw btw: I troll them too lol and get into trouble there as well.)

I may also share some opinions with you and disagree on those things with the other "group". I mean, they haven't even invited me to their WhatsApp group yet or drinks down the Leftie Clubhouse lol. (Rude or what?)

Generalizations are often helpful up to a point because there definitely are some common trends (humans are herd animals, after all, so we like to form into groups), but it's important to bear in mind we're all also individuals at the end of the day and we don't always fit into neat little camps of "us" and "them" or something. At least, I try to be like that. (Maybe I'm just as predictable as anyone else tbf and I just fancy myself as a freethinker when really I'm a walking stereotype too lol. #edgy Who knows... )

We wouldnt be here if it was for FDR the Dem ...

Hmmm look at Alabama, how good is that?

Shhhhh. You are ruining the joke for them.