Research before you apprehend them.

illegals that are processed by border patrol a registered , they are listed in the FBI data base, many have court dates that they refuse to go to, thus forfeiting thier own due process.

If they don't go to court that's on them likely but I think many likely would go to vourt

well according to the data, most do not go to their court dates, That is probably the fault of the officers not telling them how dire the consequences would be if they do not show, meaning not showing is guaranteed deportation.

Oatmeal cookies?

Ask? And do basic police work? ID check, SSN check, etc...

The Due Process of coming in is called the United States' Immigration Laws. Nice try though

The constitution states they are given mostly the same rights as us if they come in illegally so they get due process is the were to be deported. That's all I'm saying

Which needs Amended to specifically only apply to Citizens, those involved in citizenship programs, those on Student or Work Visas.

Nah. Entry without consent is basically r@pe. I'm not ok with people that forcefully enter places without consent. That would be like being Pro Bill Cosby.

I don't think that analogy is the best to use but I understand what you're saying.

Hey I'm not the one who made the constitution or am I congress it says that those who enter illegally get due process

Aw... Dang. I used that comment hoping for the "Jan 6th forcibly entered..."

To which I could respond "yeah but those folks were undercover government assets".

I mean they didnt forcefully enter due to it being a public building but the breaking and destroying of things and then trying to stop the election from being certified was a riot

Ohhh

That's a stretch from what I'm conveying. I love freedom - I want those that want to have freedom in the United States, to have that freedom. But not at the forfeit of law and order.

Every illegal migrant that crosses the border steals opportunities from people who come through immigration legally.

How do they steal from someone that comes in legally?

Illegal Migrants require resources to continue living. When you import 11 million illegal migrants - now there needs to be 11 million more "fill in the blank" things to sustain the population in that nation.

Supply and Demand. Demand has increased supply is the same or in some cases less due to factors that keep certain items from being at peak levels of output (like how eggs went up bc bird flu got chickens killed).

When the demand is higher and the supply is the same or less, the prices of those things increase. So illegal migrants being mass imported have helped the increase in the costs of goods, which takes money out of the pocket of Legal Migrants that went through proper citizenship processes or are here appropriately due to studies or work visas.

That's theft in a form through using up resources that you're not supposed to even be having access to. Then there is actual theft that happens with various illegal migrants. They get here, they can't get work - they need food & money, so what do they do? In some cases they were lucky and were handed housing and debit cards (that they should have had no access to). Others though - would steal what they needed to survive. Which I can understand why they would - but now those particular illegal migrants broke laws to come in and break more laws.

President*. You misspelled President. We aren’t a monarchy, Stan.

It's not at odds with the Constitution LMAO. The 14th Amendment clearly states U.S. Citizen in its information, and uses a semicolon after identifying who it applies to - to offer additonal information on what is provided to who.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2.

It's obvious this was an Amendment to further define The 5th Amendment, where no such identification of "U.S. Citizen" was provided... But that those writing it up failed to continue to use the specific phrase "U.S. Citizen".

Which is why - we need a new amendment that clearly states U.S. Citizens and those seeking Citizenship that are involved in the Citizenship Processes. It's not my fault people hundreds of years ago weren't thinking of illegal migrant invasions when making an article.

You keep skipping past this part: nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

It doesn't say "any citizen". It says ANY PERSON. The SCOTUS in it's 9-0 ruling in the Garcia case affirmed this. Any person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States has the right to due process.

You forgot to read this one:
Fifth Amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or PUBLIC DANGER; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
I uppercased the words that matter.

Which is why I said it needs Amended to state it how it is supposed to be interpreted. I guarantee you people that wrote it never thought people would use it to try and keep deportation of Criminals who entered illegally.

Oh...so you feel that present circumstances are significantly different than what the founders intended and that language needs to be updated for a more modern context?

Is that right?

That's why we have Amendments to the Constitution. Sometimes its because the circumstances of society have changed. Other times it's because of poor wording originally used. Other times it's because there were things just right out forgotten that made sense to add...

It's like you're understanding how the Constitution and the Amendments work. Good job.

Oh, have you been meaning to say this whole time, "I really think we need to have an amendment that deliberately nullifies the 5th and 14th amendments and undermines the founding concept of Innocent Until Proven Guilty." ?

Which would still be anti-American. So, I want to be clear- which kind of Anti-American sentiment are you proposing?

Deliberately ignoring the Constitution or amending the Constitution to suspend the need for due process?

Lmao no. That the Constitution merely only apply to qualified individuals.

See - it's my thinking that the wording was written poorly, because nobody thought it would ever be presented to be used to protect a criminal illegal migrant.

Ergo - we need to modify or Amend the Constitution such that those articles only apply to people who are citizens or are involved in work or education visas and those involved in pathways to citizenship.

Okay, so let's say that for some reason an amendment passes that says the government doesn't need to follow any of the Due Process for anyone that is an undocumented immigrant. For the undocumented it suspends the following: 1) informing you of the actions they're going to take against you (the charges), 2) giving you the opportunity to respond to those accusations 3) access to an impartial judge 4) a lawyer 5) a written record of the proceedings for future review 4) Evidence 5) written transcript of the trial for future reference and 6) the right to appeal.

Those 6 things are "due process". For any illegal immigrant they don't need to follow any of that. It's just for citizens now. Anyone who is an illegal immigrant is deported that day. (no need to provide living facilities or even a jail if there's no due process).

So, the leader of the opposition party gets elected. Then one day at your place of work ICE agents show up and point a finger at you and say, "that's an illegal immigrant." They slap some cuffs on you, throw you in the back of a van. And it's already full of other guys. Guys you know. Some personally, some by name, and others by reputation. But you know they're citizens just like you. And also members of the same party as you- the one in opposition to the current leadership of the country.

Then in a few hours you're on a plane. Then you land in another country, you don't know where you are because you don't speak the language. Then they throw you in a prison.

The whole time you and all the people with you kept insisting that this was wrong and all of you were citizens of the United States. They just laughed and shouted at you to "shut up, immigrant!"

And if you're thinking, "they can't do that, I'm a citizen!" what's to stop them? You suspended due process. They don't need to provide any evidence. or written charges. a trial. a lawyer. a written record of what happened. or anything.

they just need to point a finger and throw you in the back of a van. There's no record of what happened to you so your family can't do shit. They won't know who took you, where they took you, or what happened. You're in prison in a country whose language you don't speak. So... good luck.

THAT'S why it's important that 1) everyone is innocent until proven guilty and 2) the government MUST go through a reliable, documented process. A due process.

And if you're thinking, "oh, that would never happen in America!" The Trump administration recently issued a memo stating that it does not need to a search warrant to enter anyone's house if they suspect an undocumented immigrant is within.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25915967-doj-march-14-memo-alien-enemies-act/#document/p1

Didn't the SS do that like just into houses and check the attic and what not ? Also this cannot stand unchecked. If ICE comes to my door I ain't opening without a Judge signed warrant

Yep. It's part of why the death camps were located outside of Germany.