A Man for the Ages

Native Americans didn't own land...didn't even understand the concept of land ownership, so they can't claim any of it was theirs.

Wtf is this argument? Why do you think that just because natives didn't technically own the land by european standards that means that it's okay for others to just take it. Just plain stupid

They didn't own it, even by their standards. The didn't believe land could be owned. You can't believe someone stole something from you if you never believed it could be owned to begin with.

And under those same Indian beliefs, we don't own it now, so they are free to try and kick us off of it if they are dumb enough to try.

Ok, let’s use a real world comparison that you might get:
Let’s say you found a good spot to camp in the middle of the forest. You don’t consider yourself to own it but you are still living on it. Now imagine someone comes along out with a gun, shoots your family and steals all your supplies. Wouldn’t you think that they were in the wrong? Just because you didn’t “own” the campsite doesn’t mean it wasn’t unrightfully taken from you. Same applies with European settlers murdering the natives and living on the land they once inhabited.

Still doesn't back the claim that the land belonged to the Indians. Just because someone more powerful than them came in and did the same thing that they had been doing to themselves for thousands of years doesn't make it more or less their land. Wrong? Were they wrong to fight and kill over the land? Which tribe was there first, because the land passed through many hands before we took it. We were just the last in a long line of conquerors...maybe it's only bad if a white person does it, but, and I know this is gonna kill ya, the Indians had Caucasoid DNA in their blood. So whiter people conquering descendents of their own people who migrated to somewhere in what is now Russia, bangin the mongoloids for a few hundred years, before continuing on to this continent, where they proceeded to divide and conquer as necessary. It's weird how you start imputing morals into the equation only for the last people and not for the first or anyone in-between. We erected a nation on top of the bones of defeated people. Newsflash, so did everyone else on the planet. The only reason Indians (of which I am descended as well) say the land was stolen is because they've embraced the western concept of ownership, something they never had until the west indoctrinated this into them. Europe was conquered land too. How far back you wanna go? The best thing you can do, if you really want to send a message to everyone that you're down with the struggle, is to give all you have to the Indians and truly live by your beliefs. Otherwise, you're just someone rambling on about the abuses while you live on what you believe is land that was stolen from the people you claim to champion. And as Bill Meyer would say, "stop virtue signalling and shut the f**k up".

Bro, that is an insane response. Absolute respect for however long it took for you to type that. You bring up some good points, and I agree with you pretty much all of it. But back to the very start of the conversation, putting Trump on Mt. Rushmore isn’t exactly the best idea.

Agreed. He's a dumbass and doesn't deserve that level of remembrance.

You can't agree with most of it because most of it was basically improvised.

Migration from what is now Russia has tended to be westward from Asia, with Caucasians going eastward being a fairly recent phenomenon, 16th century. Centuries. 16 MILLENIA ago, people were already in the Americas.

Nor do they have any of what would be considered (distinctive) Caucasoid DNA, except maybe some Australoid. Maybe. Certainly not European, at least not prior to the Colonial Era. There may be stories and fanciful claims of various Europeans having arrived here previous to 1492, there may be some scanty evidence that the Vikings actually did settle in Newfoundland for a short time, but there are absolutely no genetic markers verifying such.

If you look at Slavs, pay attention to their eyes, particularly the corners. Some of that came from Genghis Khan & Co, but much is the result of Asians filtering through since long before there were Caucasians in the area.

Also, while individual Native Americans did not own plots of land, groups did. They didn't fight others over territory because it wasn't territory after all.

Not like the concept was entirely new, as we know, not too long before they sailed over here, the ancestors of the colonists themselves were nothing than serfs on land owned by lords and all that owned by the king. Still basically the same thing today. People pay property taxes and their property can be confiscated via eminent domain by the government because the people really don't own property, they're simply renting it out.