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5 ups, 1mo
Yeeeah...but capitalists are free to complain.
5 ups, 1mo,
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Everyone who lives under socialism always flee to capitalist nations
1 up, 1mo,
2 replies
Yet I lived under capitalism and don't like it. So what does that make me?
5 ups, 1mo,
1 reply
A complainer
1 up, 1mo,
1 reply
What if they are complainers

Also I'm still an anarchist
5 ups, 1mo
If you’re an anarchist (to wit, no governmental authority or control whatsoever and letting people do as they please) who is going to force the property owners to give up private property or business owners to give up the means of production to the workers?

It might interest you to know that Marx didn’t care about workers and saw them only as a means to an end: that end being to set himself up as the world ruler.
4 ups, 1mo,
1 reply
Ungrateful
1 up, 1mo,
1 reply
What if they are ungrateful

Also I'm an anarchist
3 ups, 1mo
Lucky you can exercise your views freely in a capitalist system......try that shit in a socialist regime
1 up, 1mo,
2 replies
Remember: politicians are paid with tax dollars and if it's paid for with tax dollars, it's socialism.
3 ups, 1mo,
1 reply
Not actually correct. A country is like a household. We The People own the house, but to manage it we hire staff. The way we pay that staff and have them manage money for the household is by setting aside a portion that is earmarked for them to use on our behalf — aka, taxes. Government officials being paid by taxes or customs is not socialism. It’s paying our servants.
1 up, 1mo,
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Not sure whether you intended to argue my point for me but thanks, I appreciate the assist.

Just so no-one gets it into their heads to intrude on this momentary lovefest:

so·cial·ism [ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

In other words, group ownership is socialism. "We the People own the house [group ownership]."
3 ups, 1mo,
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“Should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole”

Since this is not the case, we are not a socialist state and taxes to pay our servants is not socialism.
0 ups, 1mo
Quite the contrary; We the People both own the house as a community and regulate it as a community by voting for a smaller community of elected officials to whom the task of dealing with said regulation's fiddly bits is constitutionally delegated. And, strictly speaking, the issue of community ownership, regulation relative to meeting the threshold of what definitionally qualifies as socialism is "owned *or* regulated" rather than "owned *and* regulated." Ergo, while both criteria are met, only one is necessary.
3 ups, 1mo,
1 reply
So youd rather them be paid by corporations?????.....they work the "the people" and get paid by "the people" and here's a novelty for socialist .
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They can be fired by "the people" via elections
1 up, 1mo,
1 reply
No, the point is that they're never going to follow through; it's just empty talk to con people who don't know better.
4 ups, 1mo,
1 reply
....and then you have Trump, that by every metric thus far, has followed through on his election commitments
1 up, 1mo,
1 reply
Especially the ones that are illegal/violate the Constitution.
4 ups, 1mo,
2 replies
Really?.....ahh well that's the beauty of capitalust/democraciesand republics....you can have your opinions....no matter how ill informed they are
2 ups, 1mo
lol... they make it up as they go...
1 up, 1mo
I'm glad you understand that about your opinions.
5 ups, 1mo
Cat-italism
5 ups, 1mo
Yup, the difference is, under capitalism you’re not forced to live in poverty for equality’s sake.
4 ups, 1mo,
2 replies
Under capitalism we don’t see those in leadership murdering large numbers of people or forcing the rest to work without compensation.
3 ups, 1mo
Where?
3 ups, 1mo,
1 reply
Nice try. But slavery was abolished by capitalist societies.
1 up, 1mo,
1 reply
No. Slavery fueled capitalism.

Maximizing production, remember? Minimizing labor costs, remember? Increasing profit, remember?

Slavery put Britain on the map, greased its Industrial Revolution.
It turned London from a swampy backwater into the financial capital of the world thanks to the banking and insurance companies that sprouted up there and grew into giant money making machines. Literally. The slave trade is directly responsible for all the banks and insurance companies located in London to this day.

In the US, the South is still relatively poor without it. During slavery, it provided the cotton, tobacco, and other crops that the manufacturing North turned into products to be traded overseas. Why do you think that even after the North got rid of its own slavery it didn't protest about it continuing in the South? The North was economically dependent on it also, albeit indirectly.
3 ups, 1mo,
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Not actually true. According to the books of Mount Vernon slavery was actually costing the economy. It also hindered innovation as slave holders could simply tell a slave to do tasks they mate as of finding new and better ways to do them.
1 up, 1mo,
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After he switched from growing tobacco to grain? I wonder if that has anything to do with tobacco being called a cash crop?
So then he got rid of his slaves, right? Jefferson and the rest of the boys as well, huh?

George Washington finding slavery inefficient on his own personal plantation is not costing the economy. I mean, it did cost the economy especially later, after all that was the cause of the Civil War, the REAL cause. Should the federal government waste more funding on the agricultural slave owning South or on the manufacturing North that paid most of said funding to begin with? Add more slave States, and it's a further drain. Plus that with added members to Congress, they get to vote themselves more money.

The cotton gin and other such innovation reduced labor needs, making farming cheaper, thus making slavery an increasingly costly expenditure rather than an investment.

But it isn't like slave owners were going bankrupt with the practice but failed to realize it over the centuries. Profits were still made from agriculture to manufacture to sales to exports. And banking and insurance as well. Britain may have outlawed slave ownership in 1807, but it still reaped huge profits off the slave trade.
3 ups, 1mo,
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The cotton gin, along with other innovations like the McCormick Reaper, the spinning Jenny, and then Ford’s tractors, were the result of capitalism. Thanks for proving my point that capitalism ended slavery.
1 up, 1mo,
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Doesn't even make sense. Ford tractors ended slavery. Sure, ok. Were these mule pulled tractors?

Capitalism did not end slavery, an effort directly aimed at breaking the Southern economy in order to bust any future attempts at seceding while making them economically dependent on the North ended it.

The US government did the same thing with Puerto Rico after taking over 1898. Not ending slavery, but by getting rid of most of the sugarcane industry, its economic driver - confiscating farmland and giving those over to US owners, closing down the big refineries, relocating sugarcane laborers away farming areas.

In Puerto Rico, they just plant and wait for it to do its own thing before harvest.
Instead the US government heavily subsidizes sugarcane growing in Florida which requires massive amounts of water and fertilizer in order to speed up the growth process in that semi-tropical region so it can get harvested in 2 years, as opposed to 1 year in Puerto Rico as with other places in the tropics. The logic defies...
1 up, 1mo
I said these were the results of capitalism. I never said they ended slavery. Tell me, Omniscient one, how the states of Massachusetts, Nee York, New Jersey, etc set their slaves free? They did it by industrializing and creating new ways to perform tasks that would have been left to slaves. Among these were Cyrus McCormick’s reaper was meant to increase crop yields while making the use of slaves to harvest them less practical. Innovations like Ford’s tractor came later. They came; however, because people individually had the freedom to innovate and the ability to acquire capital to make it happen — thus they were the result of capitalism.
3 ups, 1mo
Under socialism individual freedom does not happen, but does under capitalism. Under socialism I have no right to private property as it can be taken for society without compensation, but I have that right under capitalism. Under capitalism I can save raise some money to acquire the means of production, but under socialism I can’t. So your statement is patently false.
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