This is Why Big Pharma didn’t want Anyone to Know about HCQ and Ivermectin

From 2020 - 2023 covid killed over 1 million Americans. Hundreds of thousands per year. Compare that to the flu.

One might consider listening to an Epidemiologist from a well respected Medical School:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2e3QAYrzR0&t=2540s

...Some of the studies on masks showed a tiny effect...

Yes. That's why I wore N95 masks. To do something incredibly easy to possibly help NOT spread the virus that was killing so many of us. Therefore I'm a good little psy-opped nazi, right? 😇 Lol

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.....The vaccines do help protect you from getting covid for a short time..

Moderator guy interjects: but they do not stop you from spreading it.

Correct.

?? On your hands or...?
How did the moderator just hop in and say that and dude just agreed and then they quickly moved on..?

Also was there a part where he mentioned comparing covid deaths to the flu?

BRILLIANT ! Your comprehension skills precede you.

Your astute analysis and observation skill, begs a few anonymous questions...

Are you a licensed medical provider, or an epidemiologist ?

What are your credentials ?

How many medical journals are several of your works published within?

Let's compare yours to the guy you call so respectfully: 'dude'

ROTFL / LMAO

Right. Because in order to discuss comparing covid deaths to the flu, an alleged covid "psy-op", cheap and easy preventative measures, and/or some conversation off youtube on a meme website....... First we have to discuss me and my credentials!

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Wow. Caught me off guard. Totally underwhelmed by such a conversation.
Thanks for at least watching the video interview posted in reply

1) First off, Covid-19 is a Cold and Flu Virus.
A SARS Coronavirus from what one can gather, too. Tomayto Tomahto.

2) "There is just no evidence that masks make any difference, full stop."
-direct quote of Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist at Oxford Medical School & lead author in a Cochrane Library 2023 Review titled:
"Physical Interventions To Interrupt or Reduce the Spread of Respiratory Viruses"

Well, someone on this thread said N95 masks "work" to "help not kill others" by stopping the spread of a respiratory virus.

Please feel free to Cite the verifiable Randomized Study that supports such a Claim,
since one imagines, we all ought be continuing to be Trusting such Science.

"We are uncertain whether wearing masks, or N95/P2 respirators slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed." -Cochrane Library

3) "If we as a society continue to accept ignorance as a substitute for knowledge, we are heading in the wrong direction." -To paraphrase Thomas Sowell, PhD.

Source discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9HCxngY-K4

"Wow. Caught me off guard. Totally underwhelmed by such a conversation"

Ditto.. 🥱 I've been having these since 2020 and this one appears to be no different.... making the discussion about me right away is a classic move speaking of which.

I watched some of the video. It appeared to be timestampped in the link so I assumed that was the most relevant section.

1) Tomato, Tomahto..... which tomato killed more people ?

2) "To do something incredibly easy to possibly help NOT spread the virus "

^was what I said.

To be fair you might've had to remove a MAGA hat in order to put an N95 mask on .... so that may or may not have posed a bit of difficulty for some people vs being "incredibly easy".

Anyway apparently for whatever reason masks were shown to have worked in Kansas and Bangladesh. Maybe the trick is actually WEARING the masks? 🤔

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-went-wrong-with-a-highly-publicized-covid-mask-analysis/

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/no-that-new-study-doesnt-show-that-masks-are-useless

3) I guess I agree on that paraphrased quote.

"To be fair you might've had to remove a MAGA hat in order to put an N95 mask on .... so that may or may not have posed a bit of difficulty for some people vs being "incredibly easy"."

Ya idk.. I don't get it. Masks seemed like such a small and easy thing to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OouDv90Tj8g

Those numbers are skewed, they were counting anyone and everyone that died, that had even trace of covid in their system, as a "covid death".

This article/study seems to be saying the exact opposite... covid deaths were undercounted.

"editied" Why are they treating it like a normal flu virus now though? If it "solely" was the reason for millions of people's death.. you would think that steps would be mandatory in containing it.

The weekly covid deaths have come wayyy down from where they were... approaching flu levels. So that could be a reason.

Either that or they were manipulating the numbers in 20-21 for poltical reasons, now there is no point in keeping people scared. No one will ever know for sure.

Ya I remember the right claiming they were totally inflating the numbers in 2020. "The democrats new 'hoax'!! " or whatever... As numbers came down following that winter of death after Biden's inauguration they said AHA I knew they were faking the numbers to make trump look bad!!! Then more people ended up dying from covid in 2021 than in 2020.
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Yeah, they did that because people called them out on it. The real numbers can be found if you look outside the US in countries like Africa.

False. As you can see in that meme I posted up there, every "winter of death" has had a spike that peaks and then subsides.

So show us what you found in Africa and what you think it means.

Yup and if you want to see a virus in which the death toll is being undercounted - Look at Ebola in Africa, as people die in droves, the villagers simply bury the dead in the bushes and it never gets reported. Ebola has a 50% mortality rate, not 2.1% mortality rate like covid. If that shit ever goes air born , you can say good bye.

You really think they would make it that obvious? You don't think that possibly manipulating stats of covid could have had a major political reaction? Instead fo rollin your eyes maybe think about it. People in general don't think about political strategic maneuvers, even though they happen all the time around us.

"Instead fo rollin your eyes maybe think about it"

I looked into it years ago. If those deaths are fake news idk how you explain hundreds of thousands of excess deaths mirroring covid waves.

Maybe YOU should think about this:

How many things which could possibly reflect poorly or negatively on trump...... were NOT labeled "fake"?
......Any?

Losing the 2016 popular vote
✅️ fake

2020 covid deaths
✅️ fake

2020 covid deaths going up
✅️ fake

Losing the 2020 election
✅️ fake

Bad Trump Poll numbers
✅️ fake

2x impeachments
✅️ fake

Jan 6th
✅️ fake

4x Indictments
✅️ fake

Liable for sexual abuse
✅️ fake

Biden unemployment numbers
✅️ fake

Record high stock market under Biden
✅️ fake

I mean how lucky trump must be considering everything bad for him is actually "fake".

You keep trying to put names and people in to my point, I never mentioned Trump or Biden. I am talking about the "powers that be" and how they manipulate overly emotional thoughtless masses. I posted the artical explaining how the deaths were over counted and how they dropped significantly once certain facts were employed. But please tell me again how much you hate trump and how much I love him.. cause that is what is important .

When you say stuff like "they're manipulating covid for political reasons 2020- 2021"............. that is textbook Trumper stuff. If you're not a Trumper then you may have been influenced by their rhetoric.

Do you think anything from that list i made above is not "fake news"?

That list hardly looks cookie cutter to me, and given the parade of nearly identical memes that is the front page,,,,

I'd like to see that meme you referred to above.

That's a totally memeable list.... You should make one of it.

It faded into obscurity like all the other cookie cutter anti trump leftist memes. Maybe check the discount bin, you might be able to find one there ;)

Some leftist already made it .. it got like 2 upvates then disappeared lmfao

When you say stuff like "they're manipulating covid for political reasons 2020- 2021"............. that is textbook Trumper stuff. If you're not a Trumper then you may have been influenced by their rhetoric.

It blows my mind that you think that there was no political motivation in the handling and reporting of covid. I am an independent, it is actually one of the hardest stands to take these days because you find yourself fighting on two fronts almost all the time.

Do you think anything from that list i made above is not "fake news"?"

I didn't see anything on that list I would say was "fake", except for the covid deaths. The numbers just don't add up, when Drs and scientists spoke out at the beginning , they were crushed, The money the pharmaceutical companies made was outrageous, and the "deadliest virus in history" is now considered as dangerous as the flu because it changed into a less dangerous version of itself. LoL it don't add up to me.

Ok here's an article I found from 2020. How about you just tell me the part or parts of this reporting are politically motivated and why / how.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

As far as changing into a less deadly version... a virus that quickly kills it's host cannot last very long by definition... unless it mutates to a variant less deadly while spreading to someone else. I mean if you're already dead you're obviously not coughing, sneezing, and being in direct contact with anyone. Basically you physically can't spread the virus to anyone when youre dead except the coroner and whoever few else might handle your body.

And I'm pretty sure I've said this before but it seems possible that at some point most of the people doomed to die of covid will have died... and they probably wouldn't initially be replenished at the same rate they are deceased. Which would mean a higher number of total deaths at first which then decreases over time to a more constant amount.

Looks like that's the article^ you got that from.

But ok there kinda seems to be multiple leaps in logic happening with this argument.

This doctor in your article said covid hospitalizations are "now" being overcounted... "and IF and IF"..

..... therefore covid deaths are also being overcounted..

(..in September 2022 when the article was written..... Omicron era..)

....... therefore Covid deaths were also overcounted in 2020-2021...

....... therefore Covid deaths were overcounted in 2020-2021 for political reasons....

........ and after 2021 there was no point to keep people scared by overcounting the covid deaths...

Except the article you posted saying they were overcounting covid hospitalizations/ IF then / maybe also deaths in 2022.

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No, I don't believe articles that are written by commentators and politcal contributors. What I do believe is what actually happened, like the emergency medical tents that were set up for covid overflow.. remember those? remember how none were even used? Or how about the medical ships? Remember those lol? They had 1000 bed capacity and only 20 were used? That is the information that collides with the articles claiming millions died. If that many were getting slapped, those additional facilities would have been used to the max, not "not at all".

Which articles said millions of people died from covid19 in 2020? Who told you that ??
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I dont think you are accurately remembering 2020-2021.

But hey prove me wrong. Show me the articles.

There were reports and articles early in the pandemic about PROJECTIONS that there WOULD BE millions of covid deaths in the US.

(hence the emergency tents and ships...just in case..)..

And those projections turned out to be inaccurate or "overblown" or however you want to describe it. But as far as alleged articles that said millions of Americans did die in 2020.... I haven't seen those.

You posted two line graphs and gave me a single name . Am I supposed to be blown away at your proof that covid was not over counted? You are not the only one who lived through the pandemic, my brother. I lived through it too and I just didn't see the mountains of dead that are claimed to have happened. I am sure people died during 20' - 23' did some pass from covid , sure, I am sure they did. Did millions die -of- covid.. that I don't believe. You can't prove they did, just like no one can prove they didn't. But I know for a fact if Covid didn't happen, Trump would be President right now. That is the long and the short of it.

Source for one of the previous graphs was right there in the meme. (the CDC.) Other one is Our World in Data. I also posted a link to a Fox News article there too but you probably don't believe any of these news articles anyway so eh..

And true. I'm not the only one who lived through covid. Many others did. And many didn't. I had family and friends of family die and be hospitalized from covid. If that wasn't your experience....cool.

Millions? Is anyone saying millions died (in America) ?? The current total here is more than 1M but less than 2M.

"If covid didn't happen, trump would be president right now."

I haven't liked trump since he was a gameshow host on TV (so I most likely wouldn't have voted for him anyway) but his response to covid was just one more reason (among many) that I was ridin' with Biden.

And idk if youre trying to say that proves they inflated the numbers for politcal reasons?? I mean... if it was 350K covid deaths or 100K... it wouldn't make that much difference to me.

World o meter gets its stats from the WHO and the United nations, But what ever. You want to blindly believe what the powers tell you becuase they give you stats that support what they say, basically "its true because I wrote it".. I don't believe or blindly trust any Sources with common goals. So lets just go our seperate ways on this subject. We will just treat Covid like the flu now... cause why not.

I had family and friends of family die and be hospitalized from covid before the vaccine... ain't never seen that with the flu.

It's like you're asking me to NOT believe both what I actually experienced within my own circle and what numerous sources online confirm........... based on something you feel like is true. Apparently without evidence.

I was looking at articles in 2020 because I was here debating all kinds of skeptics. I don't remember any articles claiming covid killed millions.

Also as far as treating it like the flu now....Deaths have come wayy down from where they were so maybe they're approaching flu levels now... not sure. I have a suspicion that maybe covid has already killed most of the people who would be most likely to die from it but I haven't looked into it much yet.

umm.. you are telling me between 1 and 2 million people died... that is millions , in the millions range, you know, give or take a million because noone actually knows the numbers even though deaths are a concrete and measurable stat that can be easily counted , but for some reason covid deaths are between 1 and 2 million. LoL

I am telling you over the course of the whole pandemic that about 1.2M died... so far...

And sorry no, less than 2 is not plural.

But anyways back on topic..... where are the alleged 2020 articles saying millions died??

I mean do they exist or is this more of a FEELINGS thing?

Without that, your argument here kind of falls apart.

It was not just over counting deaths, the response was over blown and over sold, America never needed to shut down, the economy didn't have to come to a halt, and for God sakes people should never have lost their job because they didn't want to be vaccinated. Over counting was just one of the methods to make people be afraid.

"...... and after 2021 there was no point to keep people scared by overcounting the covid deaths..."

What in the world would make you think they would stop lying about what they did once they got what they wanted? That makes no sense.

Eh.. Seems kinda like you're just moving on from your initial unproven claims and adding more now. Similar to a gish gallop...

And bro... you're the one who said in 2021 they stopped overcounting the deaths and then you posted a source claiming they actually WERE overcounting them in 2022, not me. (Or the hospitalizations anyway)

If you're going to post sources they should support your claims, otherwise you'll be switching up and moving goal posts.

"Your experiences within your circle and articles you read online".. I guess I am supposed to take those at face value as your evidence , but my experiences within my circle and the articles I have read should be dismissed because according to you ..that is not "evidence". See where this is simply a recipe for online arguing and will never come to anything but that? I am sorry you lost people during those years, I did not, infact everyone I know that had covid, including -myself- said it felt like a bad chest and head cold. So it is what it is.

I only mentioned my experiences / anecdotal evidence because you portrayed me as just "blindly believing" statisitics reported.

And that is basically the difference between my anecdotal evidence and yours...... Mine is backed up with sources and articles online available to anyone.

Yours is not. Nobody can see the articles youre talking about.

So idk. I guess let me know when you find the alleged articles saying millions of Americans died of covid in 2020.

My "goal posts " as you put it, have been in the same place and don't need to be moved. 1. Covid deaths were and are over counted. 2. Covid was over blown for political reasons 3. Every thing you have posted is unproven, you claim 5K people a week were dying, where? Who? How about we audit the deaths , let's get names and dates of those who died, confirmed by their family members. How could anyone believe that covid didn't have a poltical agenda behind how it was handled? For sucha smart guy, you really don't seem to be able to see the forest because of all the trees.

See how the wave of excess deaths^ matches the covid wave? Funny how that works.

1. You began this conversation saying "they were counting anyone and everyone" as a covid death...So why in 2020 did so many more people die that year? Anything except covid?

2. "Covid was overblown for political reasons"... Be specific. Who What When How & examples.

3. "Every thing you have posted is unproven, you claim 5K people a week were dying, where? Who? "

There were periods during the winter of 2020-2021with nearly that many per DAY. More than 3K anyway.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-coronavirus-deaths-surpass-450000

And I've got more if you want.

Their names? How about Tony Tenpenny, former Nashville TN councilmember... Believed the covid threat was "radically overblown". Then he died from Covid at 57. Various vaxx skeptics are in that mix as well.

"How could anyone believe that covid didn't have a poltical agenda behind how it was handled?"

I would say the pandemic has been politicized based on the distinction between the left and right viewpoints and statistics, and I remember talking about it at length with someone in one of my memes submitted. You will find virtually zero lefty vaccine or covid skeptic memes here made by the left and I would assume the same is true in P2(?). Virtually all those viewpoints I've seen here are right wingers.

"For sucha smart guy, you really don't seem to be able to see the forest.."

This isn't really about me but consider what I've seen every step of the way of the pandemic.

It's no big deal. It's like the flu. The flu killed more people. It isn't even as bad as the flu. It is the flu. It doesn't exist. Any sort of attempt at govt prevention is Nazi Germany. Vaccines are saline and do nothing. Vaccines aren't saline but they will definitely kill everyone in 5-6 years. They wont kill everyone but they will kill most people in 8 years. Plants wont grow on decomposing dead bodies of the vaccinated. The vaxx contains graphene. No wait.. graphene hydroxide. They will magnetize you. Bill gates made it to depopulate. Who needs the vaccine when we have ivermectin? The vaccine actually is covid. The vaccine is "murder juice" because of possible effects myocarditis etc.

So when someone such as yourself claims the numbers were faked for political reasons, I'm immediately skeptical. I'm a skeptic skeptic.

"And I'm pretty sure I've said this before but it seems possible that at some point most of the people doomed to die of covid will have died... and they probably wouldn't initially be replenished at the same rate they are deceased. Which would mean a higher number of total deaths at first which then decreases over time to a more constant amount"

Thinking that only between 1 and 2 mllion people are in the "deadly covid frame" after the unending lists of comorbidities that if a person had, made covid a death sentence , from some of the sources you listed, is such a ridiculous notion I feel dirty responding to it. Just in 2020 the Americans over the age of 65 reached 55 million.. so In the words of Biden, "Come on man"

"...Thinking that only between 1 and 2 mllion people are in the "deadly covid frame" after the unending lists of comorbidities that if a person had, made covid a death sentence , from some of the sources you listed, is such a ridiculous notion... "

Which source said a list of comorbities is a death sentence? Pretty sure even the most high risk- elderly, Hispanic, males is still not necessarily a death sentence.

If a notion seems ridiculous to you, maybe your interpretation of it is incorrect?

"In 2020 Americans over 65 reached 55 Million "..

And although many died, it clearly was not a death sentence for all of them. What is your point?

the cdc listed severe outcomes meaning death with people with certain or multiple conditions. If covid was as deadly as theymade it out to be there would be so many more deaths... but there are not and they had to over count deaths to make it more than what it was. I need to go to bed now , I worked 12 hours -

If "severe outcomes" was a death sentence, it would say AND death.... not OR...

ok we are just talking in circles now, you don't believe me and I don't believe you. All your sources are cookie cutter versions of each other from sources that want people to believe covid was super deadly and now it is not. I have an aunt that was 86 , a cancer patient being treated with chemo at the time, so her immune system was smashed, She caught covid , not only did she NOT die, but she was only hospitalized for it for a week. My experiences with covid are completely opposite of what you are telling me it was. Maybe you need to follow the money and see who benefitted the most from making covid seem like something worst than what it was.

Covid kills men somewhat more often than women, often older, often with comorbities, and I think I've also heard something about a correlation with vitamin D deficiency... not sure about that though.

But....... that doesn't mean automatic death sentence for people fitting any or all of those categories...nor does it mean if you aren't any of them, you're immune. Covid is a weird one.

If your elderly aunt on chemo spent a week in the hospital from covid (and didnt die), that isn't really the complete opposite of what I'm saying.

If you think it is then I guess I haven't effectively communicated my position.

Nature always makes sense, If covid doesn't make sense 1. It is outside the rules of nature or 2. It is man made and the information is designed not to make sense.
The reason i mentioned the situation of my aunt was an example, of many I have, of my stance on covid and why I don't believe the narrative. Btw she wasn't vaccinated either. You clearly stated your point, I know exactly what your stance is on the subject. Covid killed over 1 mil people and the sources are 100% accurate and there was no political maneuvering by the powers that be to misinform the public for political gain. that about sums it up right?

Well nature doesn't always completely make sense to me. It can get weird. After caterpillars are born they eat and eat and eat and then hang themselves upsidedown, spin a cocoon around themselves, digest their own body into a soupy goo, and then somehow the goo turns into a butterfly. I'd say that's pretty weird.

The people I know who were hospitalized and did not die were also not vaccinated.

And I wouldnt say the sources are 100% accurate but at this point I have not seen anything credibly disproving them.

Here's a list of a bunch of celebs who died. Some of 'em only in their 30s.

https://people.com/health/celebrity-coronavirus-deaths/

Did you already mention what you think the deaths were inflated for? I mean what was the specific political gain? Making repubs look bad or what?

"" Make repubs look bad LoL No............
It was about making life sh*tty to gaurantee whoever was in power would lose. "

???
Whoever?

Why are you saying its political but making it seem apolitical?"

Exactly, It was a tested strategy to see how easily manipulated the population would be and how far they can be pushed if scared enough. The same thing would happen to a democrat if their policies started to impact China or the industrial war machine's profit margin. Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp? Stop thinking about white and black situations and try to understand what is going on behind the scenes.

"Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp?"

1. the concept is incredibly vague.

2. the concept is not backed up with verifiable sources.

3. the concept in context of reality seems a bit meaningless.

4. at the end of the day, you're another anon on the internet on a meme website in a stream which notoriously has spread misinformation around covid.

Someone "they" (?) China(?) Our own military or military complex (?) forced (?) threatened(?) paid millions/billions/trillions $$ (?) To make the news(?) The CDC(?) Coroners(?) the NIH (?) the WHO(?) produce fake data(?) fake articles(?) somewhere (?) to the public (which apparently cannot be found online anymore) lying about millions of people in America dying in 2020... to test a strategy... to see if citizens could be scared enough to vote someone (trump ).. out of office....... apparently completely ignoring the fact that the guy they would be testing the strategy on (trump), is a wildcard that would make the results of the alleged test run a bit meaningless. I mean it's unclear if that would've worked on anyone besides trump.

If trump had not retweeted Qanon, and had not downplayed covid in public while acknowledging its danger in private, maybe made some MAGA N95 masks and worn them.... it seems possible he would've been re-elected regardless of the number of covid deaths.

Make repubs look bad? LoL No, it was about crashing the economy- making people lose their jobs , closing and gutting small businesses, It was about making life as shitty as possible. It guaranteed who ever was in power was going to lose the election. I really don't care about celebrity deaths, more likely than not they OD'ed and it just was listed as covid. But again that is one of the ways covid deaths were over counted, they counted everyone who died with even traces of covid in their system as a covid death.

" Make repubs look bad LoL No............
It was about making life sh*tty to gaurantee whoever was in power would lose. "

???
Whoever?

Why are you saying its political but making it seem apolitical?

Everything you post to me just screams that you hate the idea that you are being manipulated and anything that even hints at the idea that you are makes you cringe, so you scream it down with buzz words and typical rants of the controlled. no point in continuing- btw I never read, investigated or ever had a twitter account invoved with qanon, so I never even looked at q annon posts.

I am being manipulated... because I'm asking if you have any sources backing up your claims? 😂 ok cool.
Who is it... ? Rachel Maddow?

And idk about buzz words but all I'm looking for is specific claims with evidence / sources backing them up that I might agree or disagree with.

"btw I never read, investigated or ever had a twitter account invoved with qanon"

? Ok? Good for you. I never said you did.

https://expose-news.com/2024/03/03/ons-confirms-4x-vaxxed-have-high-mortalitity-rate/

......or did it?

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