Traitor Joe

Bidenomics is easy

So easy a vegetable can do it.

First Osama bin Obama and now this guy

What happened to "We're tired of being at war?"

So, what? Trump goes to trial and suddenly MAGA is too lazy to do their own war so they want Biden to go to war FOR them?

What a joke.

Just not a very funny one.

Isn't it their money?

It is.

it was mainly Saudis, not Iranians

With all due respect, I don't think that point matters. Iran is considered the most active state sponsor of terrorism by the Biden State Dept. I don't know if they had the same designation under Trump, but regardless, giving them $6 billion ransom on 9/11 is incredibly bad optics, especially for a Brandon administration that seems to not give even one shit about optics.

So, explain to me how withholding their money from oil discourages them from supplying weapons to terrorists?

Now, to me, that's bad "optics"

It doesn't. But since giving them the money also doesn't, what possible difference does it make? (I stole that one from HRC!) The difference is instead of giving money to terrorists without $6 billion burning a hole in their pocket, they now have $6 billion to spend on terrorism. This is not a complex issue.

So what is your solution? Make terrorists more desperate? You… are aware… what makes a terrorist.

See MAGA.

Trump loves the Saudis

Apparently. He is the Republican Frontrunner, is he not?

Oh, are Republicans going to actually elect a potential winner for 2024? Or just loser Trump?

Loser Trump?

Thought so.

But , that's a little random

Not really. What would be confusing is that people wouldn’t want to be talking about Trump when he is the Republican frontrunner. That pathetic attempt to deflect that Trump isn’t relevant lasted 2.5 years. Time is up. The primaries have begun. Get with the times.

Only someone who can't recognize a winner would call Trump a loser.

But if he's such a loser, why do neolibtards fear him so much? So much so that they're trying to throw him in jail, and also desecrate the 14th amendment by trying to use that to keep him off the ballot in some states.

If you guys didn't fear him, you'd ignore him. So clearly, you have intense fear of him winning. You don't fear that from losers.

Trump is a loser. A constant one.

You can count on one hand things he won.

The 2016 election. That’s about it.

I am not a liberal. I don’t fear Trump. I welcome a second term.

It’s never going to happen. See 2020.

The silent majority are not MAGA.

They are neither silent nor the majority.

I’m actually upset that Biden is going to get four more years because Republicans have such a Go***amn desire to suck Trump’s dick.

Yep. Gonna be 2020 repeat. And they will claim AGAIN the election was “rigged” or “stolen” or whatever the complaint du jour is at the time. They can’t fathom how Trump is that awful.

Explain to me why the US has a right to withhold Iran's own capitalist earned money. Earned in South Korea, not the US.

Very good.

However, I would argue that withholding legitimate capitalist gains indefinitely only encourages that country to continue their nefarious means rather than discourage them.

Prevent a working man from buying bread, they will stop working and, instead, steal it.

If you think that’s too overly simplistic, well, so is believing that re-establishing good relations with Iran to be futile if the desire is to keep it from being a nuclear power or to stop supporting terrorists.

The accusations of their support of terrorism stems from them double-dealing with us and Al-Queda. Our entire relationship with the current regime that ousted our CIA puppet in the 70s, was double-dealing between they and Iraq.

Does that make Iran’s actions justifiable? No. But it represents an understanding of how large the rift is between us and your solution to do nothing or send troops reeks of desperation or incompetence in the nuances of diplomacy.

Oh, I agree that their prior and even some of their contemporary actions are reprehensible. Though it’s more getting flies with vinegar rather than honey. Which, My point was that the argument that attempting to do something is preferable to nothing.

If you want them to continue selling and harboring Terrorists, then absolutely we should never negotiate or allow them to sell legitimate trade to our allies. Bear in mind, I wouldn’t be so bold as to say there are times where we should always negotiate or never institute sanction on any country or that Iran should be exempt from that status quo. I merely don’t believe it necessary at this time to hold grudges for longtime reprehensible actions.

Unless we want them to continue to be our enemy.

Which, if we do, then fire up then you’re arguing to fire up that war machine.

terrorism is their only state of being..... its not a past vs current state with them. It is the only way they know how to interact with the world. Terrorism is the tool that gives this 10th century people relevance in the world that their egos demand. Vietnam and the US have learned to coexist and develop close bonds. a Vietnamese man goes to bed today and thinks of ways to improve his family's life, the average Iranian dreams of riding across the desert on a white horse with his sword subjugating the world's population in the name of Allah. containment is the only response to that mind set.

I assure you there are more Americans and the Iranians have more in common than you’re lead to believe and your point of view is obtuse.

If we started enacting unending sanctions on MAGA, they would act no different than your perception of the common Iranian.

MAGA went to straight to Terrorism lickety-split! All we needed to do was mandate medicine and have an election.

We don’t even have to take their guns.

Just imagine what would happen if we took their money away.

They are not ready to interact with the modern world, to believe anything other than that is foolish. they are a cancer and must be isolated to fester internally..

MAGA or Iranians?

I wouldn't describe either of them as a cancer.

Besides, you don't isolate cancer. Normally you irradiate it. And I don't recommend that. For MAGA or Iranians. You're thinking about pests! Isolating them is certainly an option but I nonetheless sympathize.

It's a pickle to be sure. Reasoning with unreasonable people.

Persia and modern Iran have offered the world a lot more than misery.

https://www.nicart.org/articles-old/the-most-comprehensive-list-of-persian-contributions-to-the-world

MAGA has made zero industrial contributions. The closest is a shredded pillow which design originates from centuries ago in Japan.

So, Iran's got that going for them. Which is nice.

Does it off-set the terrible things they do? Certainly not.

But to say they have nothing to offer speaks volumes of your bias toward them which I find utterly subjective if not completely baseless.

You didn't read it then. Classic MAGA move.

Islam has existed for about 2600 years and has dominated the region for over 1400 years. Despite this, it has continued to have significant people who've made contributions and thus the people who live there should not be defined alone by what they've done for the last half century. Which is my point.

Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi who revolutionized modern alcohol and known for his contributions to the studies of medicine was born some 1150 years ago during the supposed Islamic Golden Age.

Even with your cut-off date of 1000 years ago is as arbitrary as it is absurd.

While Biruni and Khayyam were astronomers from the 11th century, Tusi was from the 13th century, well after your imposed irrelevence of the region and it's people. They played major roles in the advancement of astronomy in Iran during their times. Likewise, astronomy schools such as Maragheh Observatory (13th century) were once among the most prestigious astronomy research institutes in the world.

And even if you were to move the goal posts and say they've contributed nothing in the last century, you'd still be wrong.

Pierre Omidyar was born from Iranian native parents and he founded eBay in 1998. is native to the region and founded eBay in 1995. And while you could say because he's French-born that doesn't count, it is notable that if you had had your way and someone overnight, destroyed the people of the region the moment they were Muslim, many of these people don't exist.

I'm perfectly happy to criticize Islam, perfectly happy to criticize both the past and present Iranian people or it's government.

But I wouldn't be so ignorant as to claim there is a simple solution to fix that country. And it alarms me that there are people who think anything can be fixed. Overnight. Even here.

People like you are much more terrifying than any terrorist.

Isn't throwing gays off roofs not good enough for you? Here I thought people like you were all about gay right and protections. . .

I’m sorry my question was too hard for you that you felt the need to deflect.

I know that people like you desire to throw gays off the roof is so strong that some people need to interject that opinion in any way possible.

Need I remind you, I’m a conservative Republican voter. I have no idea what Trump Supporters are thinking because they typically don’t.

Hence my question.

Nope, they do not care about other people. They just care about their agendas.

You mean politicians? Correct.

Republican, Democrat, etc.

I asked an honest question. That’s not an agenda attention seeking post.

You, on the other hand…