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This is a false dilemma

If you mean killing the unborn, you're absolutely correct. There is no valid reason for killing the unborn.

The problem is, the pro-death crowd will first need to realize that the unborn are living humans before they will assign value to them.

So if they want the baby, it has value.
If they don't want the baby then it has no value.
Is that right?

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Wasn't there a rather bloody war fought partly to get rid of that thinking toward our fellow humans?

No

It's their pregnancy

it's not their pregnancy, it's her pregnancy. And it's her choice, as much as you hate that.

"Her choice to kill an innocent child because she wasn’t smart enough to use contraceptives."

False. It's her choice to stay pregnant or not. She's not killing a child, and you don't know whether or not she used contraceptives.

it IS their body

I'm going to repost my exact comment to this meme lesson that you seem to post everywhere:

Sources? Who made this caricature?

For the record, some people in America don't know how to receive a parcel from any delivery courier who isn't white, but know how to pull their gun at any problem, big or small, enemy soldiers or students at school. Your comparison is illogical in that sense.

Reposting:

Yes, but because the baby depends on the mother to survive, it is ultimately her choice because she is the one who is supporting the baby and taking care of it. I'm going to repeat what I said: Until there is a way to remove the unborn baby from the mother without killing either of them, the choice should rest on the mother, not of the society who may be influenced by sexism and racism and religion. Logic should be the fundamental deciding factor, but since no one can truly judge based on pure logic, the next best option is the mother's choice. Using my best approximation of logic, this is the scenario that it always comes back to.

"...because the baby depends on the mother to survive, it is ultimately her choice because she is the one who is supporting the baby and taking care of it."

So, you admit it's a baby, but you STILL think a woman should be able to kill it? That's called murder. That's not logical, so your "best approximation of logic" is flawed. And What exactly is an approximation of logic? I know there's an APPLICATION of logic, but I've never heard of the other one.

"Until there is a way to remove the unborn baby from the mother without killing either of them, the choice should rest on the mother..."

There is a way. Carry the baby to term and deliver it. And abortion doesn't kill the mother, so I don't get your logic.

"...influenced by sexism and racism and religion."

Neither sexism nor racism, especially racism, has any bearing on whether abortion is right or wrong. But since you mentioned racism, do you know why Margaret Sanger, a rabid racist, established the forerunner of Planned Non-parenthood? She was a eugenicist. She wanted to reduce the number of black babies being born. Articles have come out stating she wasn't racist against blacks as some people say when they refer to an out-of-context quote from her about "exterminating blacks." But I contend that, even in context, her quote upholds what is thought of her:

“She started “The Negro Project” in 1939, with the aim of expanding birth control services for Black communities in the south, according to the New York University’s project documenting Sanger’s writings." Sanger, regarding how to answer people who might accuse them of trying to reduce the black population, said:

"The minister’s work is also important and he SHOULD BE TRAINED, perhaps by the Federation as to OUR IDEALS and THE GOAL THAT WE HOPE TO REACH. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

Sanger believed in selective breeding; eugenics. Some think the full quote acquits her of being a racist, but I think the wording is clear and convicts her. She wanted the minister trained in HER ideals and HER goals.

God did command us not to murder but, as I wrote before, even Atheists know that murder is wrong.

"but your trying to educate me on basic biology?"

You're*

"There’s no ‘logical’ reason that 95% abortions are for no other reason than ‘I got drunk and forgot to use a condom’ type of excuse."

And you don't actually know that. You're just making assumptions

The CDC has said that the VAST MAJORITY of abortions are performed for the convenience of the mother/parents. That's not an assumption.

Anyone on the internet can make a "lesson" up. I can make one that bagels are actually an alien species who dances the zumba in our stomachs and make it look as professional as a medical college paper.

I'm going to discount this as fake news.

Please prepare that lesson. I'd love to read it.

Yes, but because the baby depends on the mother to survive, it is ultimately her choice because she is the one who is supporting the baby and taking care of it. I'm going to repeat what I said: Until there is a way to remove the unborn baby from the mother without killing either of them, the choice should rest on the mother, not of the society who may be influenced by sexism and racism and religion. Logic should be the fundamental deciding factor, but since no one can truly judge based on pure logic, the next best option is the mother's choice. See how it always comes back to that?

The Civil War was not fought to end slavery. The Civil War was fought to keep the union from breaking apart. Abraham Lincoln even said that he would be fine with keeping slavery if it kept the country in one piece.

"The Civil War was not fought to end slavery."

LOL WHAT? I suggest you go and read the secession documents of the seceding states. The maintenance and perpetuation of slavery were listed by EVERY State as either the MAIN CAUSE of secession or the UNDERLYING CAUSE.

Value to them, yes

No moral high ground in that.

nah bro i get its your opinion but your just down evil

I'm "just down evil"? Why?

Is the evil part just because you don't have any more arguments? lol

That does not even change the fact that life is life. If love is love then life is life

No I don't think it works like that. As outlined in the declaration goes in ranked order: life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness. The babies Life is more important than the mothers convince.

You have to remember:

1, Liberty means freedom, and that includes the freedom to choose and the freedom to be free from enslavement, which means they can choose to abort AND to be free from the enslavement of carrying the child. I haven't seen anything that states that the ranking matters that one is more important than the other.

Excerpt from Declaration of independence USA: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

All are unalienable, so if this is the case, it should be the closest relative who makes the decision, which happens to be the mother, both literally and anatomically.

Besides, if they do take precedence over each other, then Life is outranked by Liberty + Pursuit of happiness together.

Liberty=what I just said above
Pursuit of Happiness=Mother's happiness and wellbeing is determined by whether she has to bear the child or not.

2, The Declaration of Independence was written during a time where controlled abortion had not existed yet and information about Womens' anatomy was also limited, so in this instance, based on logic, that part of the Declaration of Independence should be void.

Freedom should never come at the cost of another! People once had the freedom to keep slaves! Also are you comparing an unborn child to a frickin' slave owner? I've heard some real dumb@$$ comparisons but this is a new one for me.

Conservatives want to treat women like slaves, unable to control their bodies

Exactly

The time and place for a woman and man to decide they don't want a child is in the BEDROOM, not the abortion clinic.

Sometimes they aren't given a choice and it's forced onto them-

Which times are those?

And besides, there are a lot of other reasons why they would want to abort, before and after conceiving.

Conservatives don't think women should be allowed to control their own bodies after they get pregnant

Who said that it dosent? Normally not, but during pregnancy? I think YOU should keep trying ;P

"A woman’s body does NOT have 4 arms, 4 legs, 2 heads, 2 hearts, and 2 sets of DNA."

Never said that it did

well, then why not legalize murder in the process? Legalize every crime then.

That's a logical fallacy. Legalizing abortion won't lead to legalizing everything

Why shouldn't I be able to kill a baby who's bringing me mental pain? A women can kill a baby so I should too.

There are options between legalizing women's rights and legalizing everything for your information

A fetus doesn't have more right than the woman, assuming it has rights at all. And the DOI doesn't mention fetuses anywhere

And it's not about convenience, it's about the fact that the woman gets to make her own medical decisions

Talk about stupid and dangerous lines of thinking cause guess what - the same was said about Blacks and Women concerning their Rights. . .then again it was the democrat party that was guilty of trying to keep both either in chains or bare foot & pregnant in the kitchen.

"the same was said about Blacks and Women concerning their Rights"

So you're comparing black people to embryos? How do you make that connection?

"then again it was the democrat party that was guilty of trying to keep both either in chains or bare foot & pregnant in the kitchen"

And now it's Republicans

"And now it's Republicans."

LOL And out comes the "Big Switch" lie. Be educated, not indoctrinated.

No, I'm saying you're the one treating the unborn just as bad as slaves and women once were. At the least you say the unborn are property and that worst think they're less than a human being(clump of cells/parasite).

I'm not saying a fetus is property. But it is a not-fully-developed human

If life is life then why is it not murder?

Even if we say a fetus is a person (which is definitely debatable), not all killing is murder

"Not all killing is murder."

😆It must've been past your bedtime when you wrote that, and you were falling asleep at the keyboard because ANY killing of the innocent and defenseless is murder.

Who says either one is bad?

Assisted suicide isn't bad? wth is wrong with you?

"Assisted suicide isn't bad?"

Depending on the situation, no

Give me one example

In my eyes, abortion isn't bad. It's totally fine. So if you say assisted suicide is as bad as abortion, then...

Oh, brother. Suicide, assisted or not is someone deciding to end THEIR OWN LIFE. An abortion ends someone ELSE'S LIFE.

Nice argument. Upvoted all your comments

Thank you!

So, how long will it be before the person caring for the elderly father or mother gets 2 decide whether they live or die?

That's irrelevant

"The person who got pregnant should have chose to use birth control"

Wow. No offense, but i'm shocked that someone as "caring" and as "kind" as you *cough cough* who would care and spend your time on this earth to protect the rights of an unborn child could just say something like that.

There are so many reasons why that is an invalid argument. There are an infinite amount of reasons why the mother would choose to abort after the mating process, whether it's suddenly because of financial, man/woman power, caring, etc... etc...

🙄😂"Infinite?" Give me the top fifty.

Aaaaaand how does this relate to what I was saying above?

"Democrats always think a certain group are less than human...Nowadays, it’s unborn babies and conservatives."

False

So are you saying you're a democrat because you think mother's rights aren't important and they are less than human, in your words? Because i can't see the relation AT ALL.

I was talking about your argument being invalid and why. I don't see anything related to your comment except what i said at the top of my comment.

"The other 95% are the ‘I forgot to use a condom’ type of reason"

No they aren't

What about adoption? There are plenty of people interested in adopting a baby.

How about we take the almost $500M we give Planned Non-parenthood every year and divert it into adoption agencies and assistance to mothers who give up their children as well as mothers who adopt? What's wrong with those solutions?

Sources? Who made this caricature?

You don't know who I am in real life, so why not give it to me and i'll judge it for myself, kay? If i don't understand then i can count on you to simplify it for me, hmm?

I'm typing like talking, because I prefer to have real-life conversations with people instead of online chatting. I did look online, and you are correct, I understand that now, but personally I am still an advocate for women's rights and rights in general, and that won't change easily. Before this gets out of hand, can i suggest we end the discussion here then? You make good points, but I just don't want it to spiral out too much.

P.S: The fact that i fail to use them correctly is a subjective term, because from what I see to me it seems more like a caricature (or a meme at best).

"personally I am still an advocate for women's rights and rights in general,"

Where exactly in the U.S. Constitution does it mention abortion as a women's right?