The Story of Sodom and Gomorrah...

Hey, you gotta admit, that meme is freaking hilarious

So no help at all, are you in somewhere in Ohio?

Yeah, so is literally all of history.

So there's that.

Archeologists have found the ruins of both Sodom and Gomorrah.

You need some faith. And even if you are right… THE OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT A FRICKIN HISTORY TEXTBOOK! Its literally a collection of stories. If you try to meticulously point out it’s flaws then you are missing the general point.

Atheists take the Bible more literally than Christians.

Yes you do, at least one on this site does, based on all my discussions of the bible you and I have had so far

Hmmm. I wonder what biblical scholars are...The idea that no biblical scholar has actually read and comprehended literally the bible is so freaking stupid. What an idiot's assertion.

YECs?

Co2 is killing the earth.

And that says it all!

Thank you. There is someone with a brain on the internet.

You missed the last part of my comment, proving my point that you only see what you want to see and scrutinize everything you read.

No. Being skeptic is ok. But scrutinizing everything you read when you’re not some famous philosopher and just a fat guy on the internet makes you a jerk

What evidence do you have that the story of Lot and his family wasn't true? Is it just based on your contempt for the Bible? Is because you're an atheist and so nothing a Jew or a Christian says is true?

The Old Testament is a history of ancient Israel. It has much more veracity than, say, The 1619 Project or the American history the left teaches in colleges or universities.

Just a deep seated hatred and contempt for Christian’s and Christianity that is displayed any and everytime anything is posted regarding them . Atheists are the least tolerant and most hateful of all religions.

That is because there is no moral standard in atheism. Most atheists today just do not realize that why they even have somewhat of a sense of right and wrong is specifically because of Christianity and Judaism. Those morals are what this nation was built on. As atheism gains a stronger and stronger foothold on society those morals will vanish.

Without those morals society will break down and one of two things will happen. The power hungry will exclaim that mankind must have strict controls placed on them and the entire planet becomes North Korea. Or mankind just kills each other off.

Christianity and Judaism are the only way to prevent either of those outcomes. The only way. Atheists just cannot continue to keep borrowing our morals. Especially when they believe that morals are relative and not absolute. You cannot equate Ghandis morals with Hitlers morals and say they are equal. Morality is not relative. When it becomes relative it is just some guy's opinion and nothing more.

Empathy only works for individuals who have empathy. An individual has empathy but a society does not. A society without morals is a society that will fall into chaos or become authoritarian in a few short years.

The UN, International Monetary Fund and the World Economic Forum has positioned themselves to become that authoritarian force starting in 2030.

I am not saying that atheist cannot be moral people, I am saying that atheists have no moral standard to guide them. In the Western Civilization Christianity has so heavily influenced society that people actually think that the social morals are all they need. They do not even see how quickly those morals are decaying because atheists have no moral standard to hold themselves to. And in fact it is the atheists who are the ones causing that decay by holding up new "morals" such as more than two genders, preferred gender pronouns and saying biological males can get pregnant. And the worst is murder a baby just because it would interrupt someone's life. Or as Obama said, they don't want to be "punished with a baby". You yourself fail miserably to have empathy for a baby who is ripped apart limb by limb as they extract that human being from his or her mother's womb. You cannot even comprehend how immortal of an act that is.

And Christianity doesn’t teach that, yet it is the object of you’re hate. Atheists have their own history of murder and hate.

Where is this moral standard? What book contains these standards? Do you get them from the Georgia guidestones? Where do atheists converge to discuss moral issues? Do you just watch TV to get your morals?

I never said all atheists are pro-abortion. Not even all liberals are pro-abortion. But the majority of liberals and atheists are pro-abortion.

I don't know how the majority of abortions are performed. Does it matter? Are opposed to some abortions based on how they are performed? Regardless, 99.999% of all abortions end up with a human being being murdered.

There really is no excuse for it. Life begins at conception. Therefore, abortion is murder.

I just wish that you could see how completely devoid of empathy, compassion and morality it is to be so dehumanized that you defend the practice of murdering human beings.

There are people who have no problem with letting a baby who survived an abortion to literally starve to death in a room all alone. There are those who believe that abortion should be expanded to months and years after the baby is borns.

Eugenics is just plain evil. No one, regardless of how narcissistic they are, has the right to cause the death of another person or groups of people at any age of that person or people lives.

Magic monsters? I see that your only experience with the Bible is when you watched the Russell Crowe movie, "Noah". There are no magic or nonmagical monsters in the Bible. I know people have been trying to find all sorts of mystical things in the Bible. I do not know why. Perhaps their not content with the stories in the Bible. They have to find stuff that just isn't there.

There are salt columns near the Dead Sea and Sodom and Gomorrah. Did Lot's wife actually turn into a pillar of salt or is it a metaphor for God's unhappiness when His children reject Him. Is it both? Is it that Lot's wife didn't actually turn into a pillar of salt but she turned back and left Lot and they were traveling through the salt pillars at the time she turned back.

I personally will go with just what the Bible says until God or someone sent by God says otherwise. What happened to her is less important to me then the lesson learned from the story. If God can create an entire universe then He probably knows a gazillion times more about science than we can ever hope to. I think He knows the principals for transforming a human in to salt.

As for a town full of rapists goes, this is what happens when people have no morals. It is why we are seeing more and more crime in areas where morals have been thrown out of the window. Convince people that there is no God and corruption will destroy all civility.

Does Mocking others beliefs makes you feel “special?” Let’s hear your origination story. Please explain your science based belief on how man originated? Make sure you include the missing link if you are going with Darwin’s evolution.

Yeah, I am, aren't I?

I agree. I think that came about by bad transcriptions from the original text and then from copies and copies of copies and so on. The original and even early copies have been lost. But I would suspect that Lot told them men something like he would not even let them have his daughters, let alone these men who were sent to deliver him a message.

There are many errors in the Bible that have sprung up over the centuries. We just do not have a pristine copy of the original in both the Hebrew or Greek texts. All we have is copies of copies of copies of copies of....

If you are old enough and remember getting 2 VCR's together so that you could make a copy of a movie from one video cassette to a blank video cassette, then you remember that the copy is never as good as the original. And if you made a copy of your copy the quality degrades even more.

The Bible is centuries older than the printing press and if you wanted a copy then either you or someone else had to, by hand, write down every word from one copy to a blank scroll so that you could have your own set of scriptures.

Then in around 180 AD the Catholics gathered all of the ancient writings and decided which to include in the canon. There were many texts that did not make it into the Bible.

Actually it is amazing that what we have is as good as it is. But still, there is that passage in Genesis where Lot offered his daughters to the men of the town. But even so, his daughters were safe because the men of the city didn't want women, they wanted men. That is the reason why sodomy is called sodomy. Because of the men of the city of Sodom.

Ahh, so passing the otherwise true story down, that little bit accidentally got altered without anyone noticing because making Lot look bad was no biggie?

“Yeah, I am, aren't I?”

That’s what I thought, no idea or explanation. Maybe you can ask someone.

"Ahh, so passing the otherwise true story down, that little bit accidentally got altered without anyone noticing because making Lot look bad was no biggie?"

And yet that is exactly what happened. That is why they say truth is stranger than fiction.

No, it's not. That's not a little detail like how there were once two men arrested at the same time and tried by the same judge and sentenced to death for the same crime of sedition both with the same name, Yeshua. One, named Yeshua bar Abba, the other named Yeshua bar Yahweh or who knows what - you know, Jesus Barabbas and the other Jesus. bar Abba, btw, means "Son of the Father."
We're not talking a little detail like that.

The notion that TWO CITIES were burnt and turned to salt for the sake of a shitter who offered his two girls to be raped is ludicrous from beginning to end, even minus that 'little' detail...

"Behemoth, leviathan, Nephilim, giants, etc"

There are several things to consider when the Bible references animals. 1st. Where is it being referenced? The books in the later half of the Old Testament are all written in poetic form. Ideas and concepts are laid out in symbols.

This is the case with a behomoth and a leviathon and for that matter a unicorn. These animals are symbols. They were probably used because people had superstitions about all sorts of different kinds of creatures and these were being used in poetic form.

The behemoth spoken of in Job was clearly a representation of God's power. It is compared to an ox. The Hebrew word just means beast and that fits the description of oxen, cows, bison, etc.

A leviathan is a sea creature. Many times it is used in reference to sin and the chaos that sin can cause in someone's life. Once again it is used in all of the poetic writings in the Old Testament.

The unicorn is most likely just an ox. It is not a horse with a horn.

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4 KJV

This is something that really bugs me. There are a whole lot of Christians that make a HUGE deal out of nothing with this verse.

Nephilim is the Hebrew word for giant. In the Hebrew text is where you find the word nephilim but in the KJV it is "There were giants...". But who does it say they were? It says, "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men". They "became mighty men" and "men of renown". There are a whole lot of Christians who read "sons of God" and coe up with some wild fantasy about gods who were fallen from heaven or some such nonsense. Who are the "sons of God"? Every male who has ever been born on this planet. Who are the "daughters of men"? Every female who has ever been born on this planet. The verse could have read "when the sons of men came in unto the daughters of God..." and it would mean the exact same thing. Basically this verse says that men and women had sex and produced a generation of mighty people. That's it. That's all it ever meant. The nephilim are not some mystical race of demigods. They were powerful and corrupt men. They were called giants because of how much power and control they had.

"Who are the "sons of God"? Every male who has ever been born on this planet."

No, they were Jesus's older brothers.

I asked you first.

And your reasoning is?

And you know these things don't exist because...?

No one has ever demonstrated for a fact that the Big Bang happened but we believe in that- why? After all, seeing isn't always believing.

And before you try to pin me with the heretic- I mean, Protestant weirdos, no, I'm not a Creationist, young or old Earth. I'm a Catholic, and we DO believe in your idea of "science" (for instance, we believe in evolution, the aforementioned Big Bang, and whatnot). We merely add the idea that there is a higher power.

Also sorry about some of the typing errors. I spilled water on my keyboard the other day and some of my keys are still sticky.

Don't mind me

True. But it's not JUST the Bible. There's also the infinitesimally small probability of all events that lead to our existence, and that would suggest a higher power.

Of course, no one knows exactly what happens after death- for all I know, there could be no Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory. So in a way that IS what I'm saying, but I have faith in God (The Father, the Son, and The Holy Ghost) that there is.life after death.

It's a rhetorical question meant to prove a different point- but ironically, you've still got the same answer (sort of...).

Christians (and Jews, Muslims, Hindu and any other religion) believes in things that cannot be directly observed.Ridiculing us for believing in a higher power that we cannot see is as silly as ridiculing you for believing in an event you did not see (which is why I also think Creationists are silly.)

That's... what I'm saying?

No, it's not. If you want to discount the bible, you'll lose a major amount of history. Go ahead.

There isn't? huh, I guess 200+ years of historical data is fraudulent.

Like what? From your own memory, not an article you have to look up.

I could understand why you would say there was no Garden of Eden, but Exodus and Noah’s Ark? It’s so well documented and uncovered. At this point I’m not going to argue with you, I’m just going to say I’m sorry you haven’t been exposed to the information yet, but it’s not the fault of other people.