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1,232 views 63 upvotes Made by Richiecunningham 2 years ago in politics
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3 ups, 2y
This is interesting, should be studied.
This is the source: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-faa-has-very-quietly-tacitly
2 ups, 2y
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3 ups, 2y,
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2 ups, 2y,
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nice template bro, whats it called?
2 ups, 2y
I made it from the "L.A. Noire Press X to Doubt" template but it's just a meme...

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4 ups, 2y,
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6 ups, 2y,
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Except its not nonsense. Its admitted.
2 ups, 2y,
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But it's not.

Go find the FAA rule that says anything about pilot hearts and covid. Come back here and post a link to it.
3 ups, 2y,
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I have found the source: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-faa-has-very-quietly-tacitly
2 ups, 2y,
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I've been to ole Steve's site many times. Always about covid. Everytime he's been dead ass wrong or deliberately lying. The last time he linked a study saying it claimed to prove that covid was killing people with brain clots. This may shock you, the study explicitly said the opposite.

I wonder what will happen this time? Let's find out!

Okay. Steve is claiming that they expanded the rule "BY A LOT" because of the covid vaccine. Offers no proof. Just says the FAA won't explain it. Then goes off about how the vaccine causes this problem. Offers no science studies that prove this. Just his claim.

What did the FAA actually say? Let's find out!

FAA sez: The FAA in October loosened its medical certification guidelines for pilots with heart block, also known as AV block, based on recommendations from the agency’s cardiology consultants.
A normal EKG result is generally defined as having a PR interval — how long it takes the electrical signal to travel from the top part of the heart to the bottom — of between 120 and 200 milliseconds. A PR interval of more than 200 milliseconds typically indicates AV block. However, first-degree AV block only delays the electrical signal, rather than blocking it, and often does not have noticeable effects.

If the block is less than 300 milliseconds there is no indication for further therapy nor increased risk or impairment of bodily function,” he explained.

Previously, pilots with first-degree AV block were required to submit documentation proving that they had “no evidence of structural function or coronary heart disease” before they could be certified to fly. The FAA’s recent update to its guidelines specifies that pilots with first-degree AV block and a PR interval of less than 300 milliseconds can be certified without additional documentation if they are not exhibiting symptoms and if their medical examiner does not have any concerns.

Okay, Steve is lying again. He lies a lot. The FAA didn't change its rules because of the vaccine. It didn't address those changes. The FAA changes its rule on a specific type of heart delay as long as the pilot can provide documentation that it's not a big deal and they're healthy.
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You said 'A normal EKG result is generally defined as having a PR interval — how long it takes the electrical signal to travel from the top part of the heart to the bottom — of between 120 and 200 milliseconds.' Wouldn't anything above 200 be technically abnormal?
3 ups, 2y,
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I didn't. I quoted the expert. Continue reading to the part about 300 milliseconds.

Also, this condition existed prior to the vaccine. This policy change says nothing about pilots who are vaccinated or unvaccinated. It is an update based on current science.

There is no documentation showing the vaccine OR the virus causing this condition. Ol Steve there just jumps straight to this is because of the vaccine.

Where's the evidence the vaccine causes this side effect? Steve links to nothing. No evidence. No data. No facts.

Steve is a proven liar. It usually takes about 15 minutes to find actual facts that disprove his claims.
2 ups, 2y,
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First, I’m not talking about anything political. That’s not my forte. You said that AV block is indicated by a PR interval of over 200ms. And having AV block is not normal.
2 ups, 2y,
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I did not say that. I quoted the FAA. Let me quote them for you again. "A normal EKG result is generally defined as having a PR interval — how long it takes the electrical signal to travel from the top part of the heart to the bottom — of between 120 and 200 milliseconds. A PR interval of more than 200 milliseconds typically indicates AV block. However, first-degree AV block only delays the electrical signal, rather than blocking it, and often does not have noticeable effects. Who then went on to say that up to 300 is the 1st stage, and it's okay for a pilot to have that first stage as long as they get a sign-off by the doctor."

Notice it does not ascribe a normal or abnormal to the AV1 condition. Only that a first degree av block only delays and does not have noticeable effects.

Can that be described as abnormal? I don't know. Are you deeply knowledgeable in the human heart to specifically say that having a 276 millisecond delay is abnormal?

Medical science updated its understanding of the heart and how it functioned. The FAA, after consulting with the medical community, updated its guidelines.

Nothing to do with the covid vaccine.

Which is what the OP claimed.
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Well, regardless of everything else, 120-200 is described as 'normal', and variables outside their normal ranges are, by definition, not normal. Bringing AV1 back into the equation, it delays the electrical signal, and thus lengthens the span of time that it takes from top to bottom. Side note, why top to bottom? Does bottom to top yield differing results?
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You think they would come out and say it? Lol
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Yes. But also, Covid has not been shown to cause an AV delay. The covid vaccines haven't been shown to cause an AV delay.

So the thing they're adjusting their policies for doesn't happen because of either the virus or the vaccine.
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No one is willing to run the tests and I'm pretty sure clots that are 3 feet long would cause AV delay.
1 up, 2y,
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Now you're just making stuff up.

There's no evidence that covid causes a delay in the heartbeat.

So saying they made that specific change to their policy due to covid is literally inventing nonsense.
0 ups, 2y,
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No. They routinely pull long clots out of people now. There is no evidence that it doesn't and I was talking more about the vaccine than covid.
1 up, 2y
Quote: There is no evidence that it doesn't.

An lack of evidence is not evidence. Arresting you for murder because don't know if you didn't commit murder isn't proof that you murdered someone.

That's not how science works.

Conspiracy theories? Yes, that's exactly how they work.

But in the really-real world, you need evidence that it does something.
3 ups, 2y,
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Remember a couple weeks ago when one of them posted a story about how pilots flying people to the world economic forum meeting had to be unvaccinated? And how there was no truth to that?
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No, I do not.
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