Dems are off the rails now days.

Upvoted.

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Anything to shrink the population of the earth. That is their goal. Fewer people are easier to control.

Troof

He also hates Clarence Thomas.

Too bad it didn't pass. Could have saved millions of lives.

I guess god didn't want abortion to stop

Joe Biden is a republican in everything but name.

Nah, he's the epitome of a Democrat.

blaming this wreck of an administration on the Republican party, are we? Well, I guess that’s what democrats do when their crap ideas don’t work or are exposed as ridiculous or evil. After all, the left already did this with Hitler…
And not many republicans support Biden especially after the whole Russia-Iran deal fiasco and China passing the US in wealth one year after giving Biden’s son a billion dollars a few weeks before the election…
Self-sabotaging your own country is not a republican move. It’s a communist move. Biden is not necessarily communist himself, but he’s definitely bought out by at least two communists. And who the heck knows what Kamala Harris stands for.

I can tell you this: If Trump were in office right now, Ukraine would not be under fire, Russia and Iran wouldn’t arrange a nuclear deal that we just blindly sign without knowing the terms (if you watch many youtube videos you’ll know there’s a billion jokes about people getting shafted for not reading the terms and conditions), the Afghan fiasco wouldn’t have happened, North Korea having their biggest bomb test since Obama was in office (for all these people claiming Trump kissed up to Kim Jong Un [who got pissed off at him for not pulling troops out of South Korea, an event I’d be terrified would actually happen one day if i actually lived in south korea, because of the idiotic administration running our country rn]). There’s a reason many Republicans supported Trump and those same ones are chanting Let’s Go Brandon. All Biden has done is pull a Rian Johnson on America. (Rian Johnson is the director of star wars episode 8)

I’ve heard China may pull a Putin on Taiwan at some point. We’ll see if we pull a Biden and just miss the part where it’s our problem.

Even Obama had zero confidence in the guy. When Biden was VP, people called him 'Obama's Insurance Policy'. I understood the meaning but not the reasons. It wasn't until Biden ran in 2020 and a lot of truths came out.

"After all, the left already did this with Hitler"

What does that even mean? Hitler wasn't on "the left"

"If Trump were in office right now...the Afghan fiasco wouldn’t have happened"

You mean the withdrawal that trump set into motion?

Whether or not Hitler was on the left is up for debate, considering I've seen political analysts debate whether fascism is left-wing or right-wing, but the undeniable fact remains that he rose to power *claiming* to be left-wing.

The same thing is happening today, and today's left-wingers are using all the tactics straight out of the nazi playbook.

I'd argue fascism isn't all that different from communism. People forget communists we're racist and every label the left hates you for now. They just figured out they could take advantage of victimized cultures and get people to hate the system in place (as communism always does). They took pages right out of the Hitler manual: "hate is the best way to unify"

But in all honesty, I think people should stop thinking about it in terms of left vs right and think of it more as freedom vs oppression. Most of us just want a free country (except the radical left and neo-nazis) but we're convinced that the entire other side is the antithesis to that desire. Now the reason this suggestion will never happen is the same reason why many liberals don't know they have more in common with conservatives than the radical left: Marxists would never get elected. So they have to paint the entire reality and make it about "racism and Nazism and (insert everything the modern majority thinks is evil) vs communism." But I would say this: if both parties are really backed up by Nazism and Marxism, our political party outlook would just be Satan vs Satan. (Ofc that would also get support from some messed up people too, just look at Lil Nas X)

"I'd argue fascism isn't all that different from communism"

They have some similarities because they're both on the fringe, but they are very different

"People forget communists we're racist"

Really? All communists?

"They took pages right out of the Hitler manual: "hate is the best way to unify" "

Sounds like a lot of conservatives in America today

The hate comes more from the left

"Sounds like a lot of conservatives in America today"

And it sounds like many more "liberals" in America today. After all, they're the ones who voted Biden into office, the most racist president America has had in like 60 years.

You would think if Biden was so racist he wouldn't want a woman of color to be his VP

It got him the minority votes. And it got her to stop with her accusations of his racism and saying she believed the women who metoo'd him.

I bet you think Trump is sexist even though Kellyanne Conway was the first female campaign advisor

My point is they're both oppressive dictatorships, and if an average American citizen who wants peace doesn't want one, they shouldn't want the other. Also, the spectrum shouldn't be set so that both ends are oppressive dictatorships because people like me who appreciate liberty while it lasts will gravitate as far away from communism as possible, but the left will just claim that is fascism, but I'll gravitate as far away from fascism as possible as well. The flip side of an oppressive dictatorship cannot be an oppressive dictatorship.

I'm not going to get deep into the history of how communists have been racist pretty much until they figured out that they could get votes from the minorities and then shame white people into supporting them as well, because everyone just calls everything I say misinformation at this point. But the KKK was founded by Democrats when blacks were all Republicans. And Marx himself was a racist and anti-Semitic despite being half Jewish (all of that is exactly like Hitler btw). Che Guevara was a known racist, sexist, and even tortured people for being gay. You see, communists were disgusted by the gay community until 20 seconds ago, when they merged their ideas with Freudianism because they realized that if they blew up the LGBT community, they could create an oppressed minority and get even more blind support and votes (blow up in this case just means a wealth of people join the community). This is why you see the left trying to find every way possible to make you some oppressed victim. I've recently seen some woman claiming that saying you plan on losing weight is "fatphobic". I guess getting a job is "poorphobic" then.

Conservatism was started by the founding fathers, I don't think they applied this principle.

And if you're talking about Nazis and KKK members, those people have nothing to do with the right. The left only claims that because those groups want nothing to do with the left, which means it's easy to pin them on the right for people who only see in terms of left and right. In reality, the left betrayed both groups, so it's no surprise they hate the left. I actually think the left is setting up to start a war with white supremacists and pin them on the right so that we'll basically have a "communist vs the entire right" war under the guise of a "anti-racist vs racist" war so that they'll look like the good guys and get all the support from any decent person who doesn't know much about history. If that happens, we'll figure out the truth too late. And that's based on what I see from left-wing media, I haven't heard any of this from Fox or anything. I really hope I'm wrong, but the more days pass, the more I highly doubt that I am at this point.

Just to tell you, if we ever had an actual communist-fascist war, I would view that war as Satan vs Satan. And since at least some good in this world exists, those can't be the only two options.

Gotta hand it to you, at least you posted that wall of revisionist fanfictioning to the one person here who would actually read it and reply.

Doesn't change facts though because, well, reality is a thing regardless how much verbose diatribing is flung at it and the two countries that started WWII in Europe still weren't exactly allies because math is a thing as well. Go figure.

toodles!

Fascism is right wing and always has been

Again, debatable, but not the point, is it?

Nope. It's just more honest socialism. We've been over this many times.

And you've been incorrect many times. You refuse to admit that there is a fringe, radical side to conservatism which advocates for violence and totalitarianism.

No I haven't. You've claimed I was wrong. But the facts say different.
I never said the fringe right doesn't exist. Now you are making stuff up.

So what organizations would you consider to be on the fringe right

The only way Hitler could have been any more Right Wing is if he was a mass murderering hereditary monarch back in the ancient world he was attempting to recreate...

It's not exactly a grotesque miscalculation that has made him THE idol of Far Righties,,,

Whether or not fascism is right-wing was tabled, if you actually read my post.

The point was he rose to power under the banner of left-wing ideology.

thank you

No.

This is basic history, kindly look it up?

You do know that the full name of the nazi party is the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", right?

"Nazi" itself is short for "nationalsozialistiche" (if I spelled that right), which (obviously) translates as "national *socialist*".

Socialism and claiming to stand for "the workers" are left-wing tentpoles.

Seems like you're the one who needs to look up basic history.

I tried making this hours ago, wnet for improvements after it messed up at one point, then I accidentally made it for someone else piping in.



Yah, yah, Nazi is for short Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, National Socialist German Workers Party in English.

And?

Claiming Socialism was co-opted by Marxists/Communists which in turn he viewed as a Globalist AKA Zionist plot to take over the world, his turning towards Fascism as an influence on Nazism with its Nationalist anti-Globalist bent, his Corporatism vs Communism stance, putting Socialists and Communists in concentration camps, going to war against the USSR, his disdain for what you claimed he stood for as expressed in his own words in my meme, Night of the Long Knives - in which the Socialist Brownshirt arm of the Nazi party was expunged via death - and more stand at odds with your erroneous assertion.

The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei were about as Socialist as China or North Korea are Democracies or Republics, or us, for that matter.

All stuff he did *after* he rose to power, right?

No, he did them when he was 12 *rolls eyes*

So I guess Stalin and Mao were right wingers...

Unlike Hitler, Mao and likely Stalin were outright communists. That is far-left

I am aware. His definition of the far right applied to them, so I was merely pointing that out. However, this guy is so unreasonable that he simply doesn't even care.

If you say so.

I mean, your definition of the far right perfectly described those two, and they're known for a fact to be left-wingers
Makes you wonder if your political placement of Hitler might also be flipped

I mean, If you say so.

so you don't care? I mean, none of that first paragraph is even up for debate.

Of course it's not. Revisonist propaganda is scripted for the chorus, not for discussion. It is no more up for debate than the Grinch Who Stole Christmas, stories for children being just stories for children, nothing more.

You keep referring to school teachers in your various comments as if that's still a thing with you.
I and my peers were raised by people who LIVED through WWII. Most of them in Italy. Nothing you spew can alter what the children of Mussolini nor my folks breathed.

tbh, it used to be funny trying to read stuff these fakers post, but even then I couldn't get past the first 1.5 lines and now it's just sad having to deal with this deliberate nonsense. To grow up with the echoes of history chiming off the walls just to see products of disinformation nowadays acting like this bs matters. Just a sad statement on this unabated downward spiral into a society ravenous for ignorance and tall tales for the sake of feeling they belong to an exclusive something fantasy as opposed to learning and dealing with the world as things are.

That's just nonsense. So because I don't agree with you, everything I'm saying is like Power Rangers fiction.

where did I even mention school teachers in this discussion? Oh, I forgot, you don't read what you don't agree with. That way you, like most of the left, will never have to worry about one day joining the "bad guys" because you have no idea what they even believe.

Your last paragraph sums up exactly how I feel about arguing with leftists. The only difference is I still fully read their comments. Why? Because I'm not concerned about being right like you are. I just want to keep my country. I just want the world to not be a chaotic hell in 20 years (which looks more and more like an unavoidable reality each day now). It doesn't matter if you were raised by people who lived through world war 2. Perspectives are valuable, but they can be wrong. Don't believe me? Well I have two living black relatives who lived through times where racism was prevalent. One is a raging leftist who actually knows Biden (and Hillary Clinton knows who he is), and the other is an ex-leftist and is now conservative. Some Jews that lived through WWII became avid Marxists (which is ridiculous, because Marx was half-jewish and hated Jews, exactly like Hitler). Unless you were there to witness exactly what happened behind the scenes, your view doesn't have anything to do with truth. Living through WWII should tell you where Stalin stood though, since he wanted Hitler to start a war. But I guess he gets a pass since right wingers are all revisionists and satanists. And if you think I don't know anything about Mussolini, 1) he was an avid studier of Marxism and 2) most Italians had no desire to follow him, which is why they revolted when America got involved.

tl;dr

Wait, you didn't say stuff about not being a little kid in school anymore and stuff like that today? You don't follow age-appropriated streams?

You're literally revisiong YOUR own comments from just mere hours ago yet trying to pretend you wouldn't do that about someone who was dead before your granparents were born? Really?

Hitler was rather apt at flipping for himself.

No, he did them when he was 12 *rolls eyes*

Then I fail to see your point since, as I've stated *multiple times* now, I'm talking about how he *rose* to power.

No, you were saying Hitler was a Left Wing Marxist Socialist.
Hitler was saying otherwise.

We done yet? This begins to bore me a lot?

That is awesome.
Now quote Hitler himself. Can't be that hard you know, heckers, even I did it.

PS:

"Fat_Ronin2 ups, 4d, 1 reply
You do know that the full name of the nazi party is the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", right?

"Nazi" itself is short for "nationalsozialistiche" (if I spelled that right), which (obviously) translates as "national *socialist*".

Socialism and claiming to stand for "the workers" are left-wing tentpoles.

Seems like you're the one who needs to look up basic history."

Now follow your own advice and give the St Petersburg script a rest.

btw, can you stick with one account here? There's 2 or 3 of yous saying the same thing here and quotting you can get dizzying.

Never mind, no matter how many of your alts repeat yourself, Hitler's words ain't gonna change. Too late for refunds on them.

Not sure what you're on about, I only have one alt, and I haven't logged into that in a couple of years because I can't remember the password, it's on my computer, which crashed a couple of years ago.

As for the rest, I'll accept your attempt to divert the train to another track as admission that you were wrong.

Good talk.

Back in his day, he identified with the left. When the left saw he was going to be the modern historical icon of evil, they rewrote him into a right-winger. The left does this a lot to people they choose. Remember, Stalin and Hitler had a pact that actually allowed WWII to even start, because Stalin wanted Hitler to start trouble with England. And even though Stalin actually has a greater kill count than Hitler, there are actually left-wingers that think he and Mao (who out-killed both combined) were good guys (I've argued with quite a few on this site, tbh).

Trump didn't pull the troops out and just leave everyone to be dictated by the hands of the Taliban. You can blame him if you want, but what Biden did was out of nowhere and extremely dumb.

"When the left saw he was going to be the modern historical icon of evil, they rewrote him into a right-winger"

No, they didn't. He was always far-right. He just pretended to be socialist to get public support

"The left does this a lot to people they choose"

The left doesn't choose Hitler

"what Biden did was out of nowhere and extremely dumb"

"Out of nowhere", following Trump's withdrawal plan

Why did you even bother replying to that?
It's mostly a list of Trump blunders and fiascos replaced with Biden's name.
Although admittingly I didn't get even a third through...

... and that's why you are terrible at arguing. You assume what people mean without even reading what they write. You know so much about the other side that you know what they'll write without looking at it. I mean, if you were this skilled, I gotta give you some credit. Why did you even need to go to school, if you already knew so much?

"revisionist" and "Russian"?

First off, hats off to you for being the repository of truth. I didn't know you knew everything.

Second, revisionist is what the left is. Why don't you read my reply to fat ronin?

Third, I can't believe I have to explain this for the millionth time ever since Putin invaded Ukraine (there's the left throwing blame on the right when something evil happens again). I don't support Russia or Putin. Heck, Putin has been exposed funding the spread of the green movement in America and the West (something I'm sure you probably support, but somehow I'm the Putin supporter). And Russia is in cahoots with China right now, not the Republican party (in case you don't know where China stands in all this). Just because the USSR failed doesn't mean communism ended there. You know of the Russia-Iran nuclear deal where Russia and Iran discussed the terms while no Americans were allowed in the room, and then Biden would sign it without knowing anything? Such BS would never have flown with Trump, and yet Trump and the entire Republican party is all full of Putin supporters. Let me tell you something. Putin has benefitted from the Biden administration far more than he did from the Trump administration. Putin didn't even touch another country's borders with Trump in the WH, but he did with Biden, Obama, and even Bush. And yet Trump somehow still kissed up to Putin.

Long story short, a lot of shady Russian crap that I don't support has happened since Biden has taken office, and I'm somehow still a Putin supporter.

Does anything you post have even the slightest connection to reality? Besides the fact that you just say "I'm right because I say so?" You argue like David Hume, for crying out loud, and that's not a compliment. One of his arguments against the existence of something was that he said it didn't exist.

So your perspective dictates reality. Got it.

I never said "no because leftist". However, the left is far more conniving and evil than you think or know. Oh wait, I forgot you know everything.

Do you think "No because Trump" or "no because Republican?"
Or is there some leftist justification for why you get to do that and the right doesn't? Geez, dealing with your double standards is like dealing with a baby sibling.

I'm done here, because there's no forum of communication. I bet you still have barely read anything I've written (I've explained multiple times in this discussion why I have nothing to do with Putin, yet you've accused me of that several times). Matter of fact, I happen to know you yourself support more of Putin's ideas than I do.
You are among five of the most unreasonable people I've argued with on this site. It'd really help your case if you actually knew what I even talked about, which you constantly prove you don't. But the left has to treat the other side like the Satan they don't even believe in, so of course they don't listen to what the other side says. Somehow that's renowned as intelligent these days. Well I see it for what it is. And that is truth. I could tell you how I feel here, since you seem to be interested in that conversation though. Since you seem to think people who don't agree with you can only talk from feeling, maybe I should dumb myself down to your level.

Well I post facts. And you're laughable if you think I got any of this from Russia. Russia is fricking communist right now, but the left doesn't take affiliation with them bc Putin is acting like Hitler and it could make people with brains get suspicious. I've said this before, but If you support the green movement, you're supporting a movement that Russia and Putin are paying money to plant in the USA.

No, I just know what communism actually is, and you think I'm a spy for Putin because I don't want anything to do with it. Well sorry to break it to you, but only 15 people with a functioning brain would like communism for what it actually is: the people actually running the country.

And it's funny, you don't believe a fricking word Trump says but you take Hitler at his own word... I don't think you know how authoritarian dictators work: they lie. Well you might know if the media says these things about Trump...

I don't give a rip about being "right". I think you'd know this by now, but like you've said, you don't read anything I write (which means how the heck can you tell the source of my "partisan hackery" if you don't read it?)

I just want to keep my country the way it is. That's it. You people are constantly trying to make it new with all this progressivism crap and communize it. Well communism is very hostile to two kinds of people: 1) dissenters, and 2) religious people (there's many more but those get the harshest hostility). IDC if the exact opposite is Nazism (which doesn't make sense if you think about it [something you clearly don't do]), because being opposed to it doesn't make you on the flip side. I want freedom though, and that's the opposite of communism, whether you want to admit it or not. And you and I both know Russia doesn't want that for either of us. So stop calling me a Russian dupe. You claim to be posting facts but you dismantle that claim every time you say that.

Hitler had many left wing ideologies and got dumped by the left once he became an icon of evil, similar to Putin, who has many principles the left supports but suddenly has become "rightist" as soon as he invades Ukraine (something he never dared to do while Trump was in office).

Trump had conditions to get out of Afghanistan. He said he would leave by a certain date IF the Taliban showed they would behave. Because the Taliban we're not behaving, Trump didn't take the troops out. Biden claimed he was finishing Trump's deal, but his sudden move 1) was far after Trump's deadline and 2) had absolutely no conditions and therefore no incentive for the Taliban not to completely run the country over.
Biden took the troops out for absolutely no reason and put the entire country in danger. That was irresponsibility. What Trump was trying to do was nowhere near that dumb.