Undeniable facts

Cue the “sex and gender are not the same” argument from the left.

lol if they said personas/personalities are fluid I could agree with that, but insisting that there are more than two genders is complete and utter nonsense. When they actually said, "men can have babies too" , their 0 credibility went into the negatives.

no, personalities from person to person are extremely varied - there is no set definition to people's personalities -

I understand , seems to me that the left grabbed on to the idea that "gender" is fluid to try to make people with Gender dysphoria feel less like outcasts, because so many in the lgbtqlmnop party have this mental disorder, but in doing so, they turned anyone with common sense against them. Gender dysphoria is a serious mental disorder that should be treated with meds, not pushed as normal. Denying these people the proper mental health services is one major reason these individuals have a 40%- 50% suicide rate.

now now, I can't wish any type of harm on democrats because I have a bunch in my family.. even though I am consistently told to "go die" by leftist democrats. lmfao facebook has becoming a breeding ground for them and they are allowed to get away with anything as long as it is against conservatives.

What medicine would you suggest?

Cyanide gas

Isn’t that deadly?

Oh no, I knew that was what you were going for.
My only question- why do you want to kill those who are, as you'd put it, suffering?

Hah! Nobody is justifying anything.

It's cute that you think people owe you an explanation.

Or genetic damage. . .and don't seem interested in trying to fix either the physical or mental damage

The word 'illness' implies that there is a problem with the person, it is clearly you who has the problem here.

any group of people that have a 40 - 50% suicide rate has a problem.

Yeah, it's called bigotry.

LoL People committing suicide is called bigotry? I don't think that word means what you think it does, kid. LoL

You're gonna be deliberately obtuse? Okay.

"any group of people that have a 40 - 50% suicide rate has a problem."

Where did you find that stat?

Yes, transgender people have a problem, the problem is the bigotry they experience, often from their own families.

Was that clearer?

Would you like me to say it again more slowly?

Mate the point is still that there is only two genders

Because you say so? Why is it so important to you?

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidality-transgender-adults/ - only someone with a severe mental disorder will attempt suicide if someone isn't nice to them.

I know you left wingers love the huffington post - so here is one directly from your go to news source. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trevor-project-lgbtq-youth-suicide-survey_n_5f0f09d0c5b63b8fc1115d5f

Background:
Suicide rate and suicidal tendencies among transgender persons are considerably high compared to general population. Hence, this review is an attempt to understand the issues around the suicide and suicidal behavior among transgender persons.

Methodology:
The literature search conducted using three sources, i.e., electronic databases (PubMed, ProQuest, Google Scholar, PsycInfo), manual search (library catalog), and gray literature (consultation with experts).

Results:
The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Read this and then read it again slowly ^

"Suicide rate and suicidal tendencies"

Exactly.

My point was that the initial claim notably left out that this percentage includes people with suicidal ideation and is not the percentage of people who complete suicide.

Are you acknowledging that other people's attitudes towards gender are the problem here or?..

btw the only other groups that have suicide rates as high as people with gender dysphoria are people with manic depression and people with schizophrenia. So.. mental health is an important issue here. Treating the mentally ill with meds is what I am advocating for. Not promoting delusions , like telling schizophrenics that they really do hear voices from their teeth, or to tell manic depression sufferers that life really aint worth living .. or people with gender dysphoria that they were born in the wrong body.

I am acknowledging that mental illness should not be made fun of or normalized, it should be treated because there is a serious threat of someone committing suicide if it is not .

lemme know if you need more links ... I mean, there are thousands if you google "trans suicide rates" ..

It's a valid argument.

Ehhh...sex is a matter of morphology; in Humans, there are three sexes -male, female & intersex (hermaphroditism). Gender on the other hand....that's a whole other ball of wax that we're still trying to figure out. Obviously there must be some developmental factor(s) influencing brain growth which determines whether people are hetero/homo/bi/assorted whatevers but it'll likely be at least a few more decades of deep study of the brainome before Humanity even starts to get a grasp on it.

Also on a side note, in the future I honestly hope we can move past the importance of how people identify themselves and maybe start trying to improve our society so we can advance into space and possibly start to colonize other worlds - I know I won't be alive to witness any of that.. but I like to think about it. lol

Good luck improving society whilst placing no value on the individuals who make it up.

I place no value on shrieking minority groups that want special attention even though they hardly even make a single % of the population.

It's a good dream...but the crazies at both ends of the political spectrum are prolly going to be with us for a long, long time.

As long as we continue to put the crazy individuals on either side of the spectrum in the limelight , you are right, they will continue to be with us. Society needs to learn to ignore the extremes and move in a direction that benefits the majority instead of small pockets of loud groups.

"society needs to learn to ignore the extremes"

Hahahaha!

Have you heard of history?

okay then we should stop everything right now and make sure that 1 fraction of a % of people are content and happy before we ever attempt to move forward.. is that how liberals want the world to act?

intersex/hermaphrodites are a mutation , it is a birth defect . It is not a normal gender, like male or female. No matter what your sexuality is , you fall into one of these categories gay, straight or bi. the bottom line is this --> 2 genders 3 sexualities - that is it.

Yes, that's true; hermaphroditism is a mutation and isn't a normal sex...it can't be male because there's a va**na and can't be female because there's a p**is --when something is unclassifiable as one or the other of two things but bears primary sex-characteristics of both those things, it is, by default, a seperate, distinct thing. In other words, there are three Human sexes according to science.

You're confusing sexuality with personal identity; while those two things are strongly linked they are not the same. The brain is the determining factor in what makes us who we are; we've known that since the days of Phineas Gage...unfortunately, it's taken over a hundred years for Human technological capability to begin catching up with what was glimpsed mid-1800s. What will most likely be found as research on the Brainome continues is structural differences in core parts of the brain formed during the first 12-16 months (counting from fertilization).

Also I have been saying and I will continue to say that personality is fluid , there is an infinite range of individual personality traits. A person's personality differs greatly and no two people are the same . To me, it is the left that is confusing Gender with personal identity - and I personally feel that the lgbtq community is trying to redefine gender to help people with gender dysphoria feel less like outcasts. I am fine with helping people with their mental issues, I believe people should never feel like outcasts, but, imo attacking or redefining gender - to make a small fraction of people feel better about themselves , is the wrong way to do this. again this is only in my opinion.

Both sides of the spectrum are confusing gender with identity: the far-Left is going overboard on trying to ram acceptance culture down the nation's throat -which is not to say there isn't a certain amount of justification for those efforts in light of violence premised on "Hey, that [insert victim specs] is a [insert orientation-based slur]!! Get 'em!!". The far-Right is going overboard working to cement the status quo in terms of "you're who/what I say you are and that's the end of it" and making what can be, quite frankly, bizarre displays of hyper masc./fem.-inity. From a psychological standpoint, it's reasonable to impute such behaviors -Left and Right- to fear-based overcompensation. For the Left, it's likely attributable to a constant back-of-the-mind fear of assault/ending up being dragged behind a vehicle. For the Right, some portion is statistically guaranteed to be covering for their own homosexual behavior/urges but the bulk of Right-end recalcitrance is most likely due to fear of change and the unknown/different. And, of course, there's going to be a segment of both ends who don't have any of those issues going on and are just pot-stirring jerks.

"Both sides of the spectrum are confusing gender with identity"

Gender IS identity.

Do you think dresses and long hair are feminine?
Do you think a muscular physique and short hair is masculine?

If so, why?

King Toady has been using "gender" interchangeably with "sex".

Anyhoo...kilt=skirt, haircuts represent nothing but a personal stylistic choice and muscular physiques mean nothing other than that the possessor of such either makes good choices in the fitness & health category or has good genetics...soooo...I guess the answer to both of those questions is "no".

"I am fine with helping people with their mental issues"

You're qualified to both diagnose and support?

you took my comment out of context to try to score a point on me since you can't do it on merit.

"I am fine with helping people with their mental issues, I believe people should never feel like outcasts, but, imo attacking or redefining gender - to make a small fraction of people feel better about themselves , is the wrong way to do this. again this is only in my opinion."

this is the original comment completed ^

I never said I could diagnose or treat mental illness, I said I am fine with helping people with mental issues, meaning the idea of mentally ill people getting treatment for their condition, and not having their delusions enabled and promoted by a mentally ill society like leftists.

"To me, it is the left that is confusing Gender with personal identity - and I personally feel that the lgbtq community is trying to redefine gender to help people with gender dysphoria feel less like outcasts. I am fine with helping people with their mental issues, I believe people should never feel like outcasts, but, imo attacking or redefining gender - to make a small fraction of people feel better about themselves"

That isn't what I did at all, you've misunderstood. Much like you've misunderstood gender dysphoria, it is not a mental issue, the issue is not with someone's mind, it is with their body.

Redefining gender? They are letting go of outdated, unnecessary ideas that our society has historically had about it, not to stop people with gender dysphoria feel less like outcasts but because those ideas are restrictive and harmful.

"and not having their delusions enabled and promoted by a mentally ill society like leftists."

Who says they are deluded? Who is diagnosing that?
The medical establishment is not.

The treatment for gender dysphoria involves transition.
To say you are in favor of treatment, which you did, implies you are in favor of people transitioning.

If transition was a "treatment" , the suicide rates would decrease but since they do not and in some cases increase, we can conclude that transition is not a "treatment". Again.. and again.. promoting delusion is causing people to die. These people need to accept who they are and stop trying to be something they are not.. when they can accept who they are , suicide rates will drop .

"Science fact decides it is false. A person can not change their chromosomes, DNA, or bone structure - and changing your appearance doesn't change any of those things either. So no , it is not I that decides anything. I am simply quoting facts. This is why we will continue to debate in a circle, you use feelings and I use facts and they will never come together. So there is no point in even talking with you anymore. We are never going to agree on anything - so why even debate anymore? Its pointless."

Bwhaha!

O no! We must maintain strict segregation based on chromosomes!

Have you ever SEEN your chromosomes?

Anyway, I hereby acknowledge your capitulation.

Have trying to hold back societal progress. ;)

when ignorance gets insistent, intelligence walks away.

Correlation is not causation; I'm surprised you don't know that.

"These people need to accept who they are"

That is exactly what they ARE doing, it is you who is not accepting who they are.
You deem your opinion of who someone is superior to their opinion which is frankly incredibly arrogant.

Suicide rates drop when people are in supportive, inclusive environments; it's not rocket science.

utter nonsense , completely opposite of factual data , typical feel good garbage. Accepting someone who is mentally ill will not help their mental illness. Again, nothing but a conversational circle jerk. please feel free to continue on your own, I know you libs love listening to yourselves.

a man thinking he is a woman is the definition of - delusion

delusion
dĭ-loo͞′zhən
noun
The act or process of deluding.
The state of being deluded.
A false belief or opinion.

Who decides it's false? You?

Are you suggesting you know strangers better than they know themselves?

Science fact decides it is false. A person can not change their chromosomes, DNA, or bone structure - and changing your appearance doesn't change any of those things either. So no , it is not I that decides anything. I am simply quoting facts. This is why we will continue to debate in a circle, you use feelings and I use facts and they will never come together. So there is no point in even talking with you anymore. We are never going to agree on anything - so why even debate anymore? Its pointless.

Hermaphroditism , or intersexed people are not a unique gender classification. That is misrepresenting science. It is a birth defect, not a classification of gender. It is classified as a birth defect, an anomaly that is usually treated with surgery by removing the secondary sexual trait.

Yes, intersex is classified as a birth defect (inaccurate...but "classifications," "institutional inertia," yaddah-yaddah)--which doesn't undo the fact that the very core, the deepest level of what makes one male or female is a matter of "XX" or "XY" and intersex people, their code being "XXX," "XXY," etc., are genetically distinct and therefore "other"...thus making them a third sex...or, known permutations taken individually, sexes 3 thru 6. Chalk it up to common knowledge lagging behind scientific discovery. Meh....the root cause of all the confusion/turmoil is likely just a case of semantics; given that "gender" has multiple definitions and is so loosely employed, perhaps a simple-ish remedy would be to get a group of scientists and dictionarists together to establish a concrete distinction between it and "sex".

xxx - Triple X syndrome, also called trisomy X or 47,XXX, is a genetic disorder that affects about 1 in 1,000 females. Females normally have two X chromosomes in all cells — one X chromosome from each parent. In triple X syndrome, a female has three X chromosomes.

Many girls and women with triple X syndrome don't experience symptoms or have only mild symptoms. In others, symptoms may be more apparent — possibly including developmental delays and learning disabilities. Seizures and kidney abnormalities occur in a small number of girls and women with triple X syndrome.

Treatment for triple X syndrome depends on which symptoms, if any, are present and their severity.

xxy - https://www.webmd.com/men/klinefelter-syndrome

The two examples you mentioned are not "genders" they are genetic disorders that are well categorized and understood by medical professionals. I think there is a problem with society trying to dismiss science and push politically correct fads as science. Not science trying to catch up with society.

Sorry for the long post.. I usually hate this but it seems that intersex people still only are xx and xy -
46, XX intersex
This condition used to be called "female pseudohermaphroditism". Persons with this condition have female internal genitalia and karyotype (XX) and various degree of external genitalia virilization.[194] External genitalia is masculinized congenitally when female fetus is exposed to excess androgenic environment.[188] Hence, the chromosome of the person is of a woman, the ovaries of a woman, but external genitals that appear like a male. The labia fuse, and the clitoris enlarges to appear like a p**is. The causes of this can be male hormones taken during pregnancy, congenital adrenal hyperplasia, male-hormone-producing tumors in the mother and aromatase deficiency.[188]

46, XY intersex
This condition used to be called "male pseudohermaphroditism". This is defined as incomplete masculinization of the external genitalia.[195] Thus, the person has the chromosomes of a man, but the external genitals are incompletely formed, ambiguous, or clearly female.[188][196] This condition is also called 46, XY with undervirilization.[188] 46, XY intersex has many possible causes, which can be problems with the testes and testosterone formation.[188] Also, there can be problems with using testosterone. Some people lack the enzyme needed to convert testosterone to dihydrotestosterone, which is a cause of 5-alpha-reductase deficiency.[188] Androgen insensitivity syndrome is the most common cause of 46, XY intersex.[188]

True gonadal intersex
This condition used to be called "true hermaphroditism". This is defined as having asymmetrical gonads with ovarian and testicular differentiation on either sides separately or combined as ovotestis.[197] In most cases, the cause of this condition is unknown.

Complex or undetermined intersex
This is the condition of having any chromosome configurations rather than 46, XX or 46, XY intersex. This condition does not result in an imbalance between internal and external genitalia. However, there may be problems with sex hormone levels, overall sexual development, and altered numbers of sex chromosomes.[188]

All good. And no, you're right, it's defiitely not science trying to catch up with society -it's society trying to catch up with science; obviously, we're both privy to the facts (and I'll admit I'm looking at things in a far too micro- fashion) but in a person-on-the-street situation, the bulk of respondents wouldn't have a clue what we're talking about outside of -at best- a vague knowledge that such things exist. Eh...this is one of those "agree to disagree" things. Although....posting hard data for people to stumble upon and potentially be moved to learn more is definitely a win. Cheers!!

I had a very pleasant exchange with you , I wish more users on this site could convey their opinions without having to resort to insults and demeaning comments , I have been trying very hard to stop that type of interaction with my opponents. Some it is impossible to do so, but we both know who those people are already LoL I hope we come across each other in debate again , I feel a bit more enlightened from your posts and I hope you feel the same about mine as well. Take care and stay safe out there my friend.

We already have it figured out. It’s the confused (LGBT community) that’s still trying to figure out what the rest of us already know.

From all of the LGBTQ+ people I know I can tell you this it’s caused by mental disorders.
Autism, borderline, narcissism, bipolar, and dissociative identity disorder.

Okay....so how do you explain all the people with Autism, borderline, narcissism, bipolar, and dissociative identity disorder who aren't LGBTQ+?

“Okay....so how do you explain all the people with Autism, borderline, narcissism, bipolar, and dissociative identity disorder who aren't LGBTQ+?“

“Okay....so how do you explain all the people with COVID-19 who aren't experiencing lost of taste and smell?”

You don’t have to have all of the symptoms in order to have an illness. Is that no longer how it works?

The hope was that, having been asked the question, you'd think a little harder on the matter, spot the flaw in your reasoning as well as the anecdotal nature of your assertion. Or, at the very least, it would dawn on you to ask yourself what I'm about to ask you. But...apparently none of those things happened -so being a bit more direct:

How do you explain all the LGBTQ+ people who don't have Autism, borderline, narcissism, bipolar, and dissociative identity disorder?

Personal observations are subject to personal biases; do you have any clinical data to support that claim?

Can you show the causal link between the specified mental disorders and being LGBTQ+?

Alright, alright, alright. I get it. I’m way to naive and want to believe there’s some sort of mental health issues behind it. But in the end the majority of them are just perverts.

Ehhh...consider that homosexual behaviors can be observed across the animal kindom -as such, it's not perversion, rather it's just something that happens for some as yet undetermined reason. Obviously, lower animals which engage in homosexual behaviors can't verbalize their first-person experience with the phenomenon (possibly excepting Hominoidea familiar with ASL, Psittaciformes & Corvus) or describe how they see themselves relative to their physical sex characteristics...which makes homo/bi-sexual humans an immensely opportune avenue of scientific inquiry.

I remember back in the day when people didn’t want to, “fall to the level of dogs”. Now we base what we should do off of frickin’ hyenas.

All jokes aside, animals also rape each other.