You could ask me the same thing? But I'm not the one covering for politicians. You are.

Wake up, man, wake up.

But I'm not covering for politicians.

I'm simply saying they're being stupid is no excuse for you to be stupid.

Again, you're covering for politicians. Crazy.

Ok. Use politicians to be stupid, I guess.

I don't know what that means. I just wish you would either be wiser about your political views.

I’m a Republican. How exactly can I be wiser?

See my previous comments.

Don’t use politicians to justify your actions.

Do the research and you’ll reasonably conclude that masks work and vaccines are safe.

You're using the straw man fallacy as a diversionary tactic. The argument here is not whether or not "masks work" or whether "vaccines are safe".

Why are you bringing it up except to distract from the actual issue at hand?

Except you are saying masks don’t work.

If you were truly arguing otherwise, you’d have simply said.

“You’re right that masks work but I just want to see these politicians held accountable.” To my initial post.

And I would’ve upvoted and moved on.

If I’m mistaken then I apologize. We can drop it right here, and you can upvote this message and I’ll likewise do the same to your last one.

Or… if I’m not mistaken, then you’ll continue to argue.

So, what is it going to be?

"You telling people they break the law, why should we obey them? Not cool."

I think your statement would make more sense if I told people not to obey them. However, such an argument is not made by me.

Your line of arguing frequently consists of you trying to put words in my mouth (a strawman) and then arguing against them. It's not a good form of argumentation.

"Except you are saying masks don’t work."

Huh? No, I never made such a claim. That's fake news.

"If I’m mistaken then I apologize. We can drop it right here, and you can upvote this message and I’ll likewise do the same to your last one.

Or… if I’m not mistaken, then you’ll continue to argue.

So, what is it going to be?"

I created the original meme which showed just some of the examples of politicians on the left backing policies which they do not seem to want to follow. I think that's important because it's a classic sign of corruption, and I think corruption is bad.

You have made some comments which minimize the harm of corruption, or which completely misrepresent my argument. I will have to continue to respond to those. However, if there is some area of common agreement, then I will move on.

Seems like there isn’t since you can’t let it go.

You want politicians penalized for breaking the law? Especially their own?

Cool.

You telling people they break the law, why should we obey them?

Not cool.

Because unlike you, we believe in one set of rules for all. You clearly think the special people get to have a set of rules all their own, while imposing an entirely different set on us peasants.

You’re good with that? You think that’s fine? Okay, slave.

I highly doubt you're for one set of rules for all.

If I may... should illegal immigrants get free access to American Healthcare?

In my opinion? Nope! I'm not saying they shouldn't be treated by doctors but I'm actually not okay with taxpayers footing the bill.

Maybe we agree on that point.

Now, do you think criminals should have the same rights as every day citizens?

In my opinion? Nope! Because criminals broke the law so they've lost some of their privilege to have equal rights.

Or how about this, do you think unskilled or inexperienced workers should get jobs they're unqualified for?

Well, I didn't vote for Donald Trump... so, you can guess why I didn't vote for him.

Now, lets ask me another political good one.

Do I think Democrats (or anyone for that matter) should be going around unmasked in-doors anywhere?

Nope! Not unless they're socially distanced or eating around other people who have been vaccinated.

Really, the whole issue of masks wouldn't be necessary if more people got vaccinated.

You are excusing their behavior as "dumb mistakes". The problem is that we see it time and time and time again. I didn't even include other examples, such as the infamous French Laundry incident.

Wake up, man.

I'm sure if you keep misrepresenting my argument you'll eventually convince me you're right.

Not misrepresenting. You're attempting to minimize the behavior of politicians by claiming that what they have done are mere "mistakes".

How is calling their behavior “dumb” and “stupid” minimizing it exactly?

By saying "oh it's just a mistake everyone makes mistakes!" when it's NOT a mistake. A mistake you make once, maybe twice. These politicians do it time and time again.

How would you define someone making repeated mistakes then? Not dumb and stupid?

I think my main point remains genuinely missed which is this:

Just because they aren’t wearing masks doesn’t excuse you from repeating their mistakes. You wearing masks and getting vaccines doesn’t make you a lesser person. And if you think that’s what they think? So, what? The data supports that masks and vaccines work.

"Then clarify. Do you think people should break the law because politicians are?"

No, I do not think people should break a law simply because politicians are. Instead, I would like to see a) the politician penalized under the law (probably with a greater punishment compared to what non-politicians face), or b) the law withdrawn.

As it stands, we're in a situation in which the politicians don't seem to face *any* consequences for their violations. This is how corruption works.

Thank you. That is all I wanted.

What do you mean "prove it"? Either way you look at it, the numbers are inaccurate.

Based on what data?

"Do as I say, not as I do."

Actually the data does not.

CDC, and pretty much every medical institute argue otherwise, Peewee.

But yes, pro-mask politicians ought to practice what they preach.

Actually I agree with you on that. The data is skewed. Anyone who had covid when they died is labeled as a coven death, even if they did not die of COVID (i.e. a car crash) or had serious underlying health conditions. Even the CDC says that. As to the vaccine, I really don't care whether you get it or not- that's your choice.

"Anyone who had covid when they died is labeled as a coven death"

Yes, when we suspended autopsies for several weeks that was true. However, medical examiners and coroners have been a bit more conservative with their numbers since last July. Sadly, the numbers still climbed to hundreds of thousand dead despite this newfound need to correctly identify cause of death.

The CDC does indeed list other causes of death; but this is standard to list all relevant causes of death. Those common comorbidities are far too high to simply dismiss as not covid as they were still much higher than their annual norm.

It's only considered "outrageous" because it goes against the media narrative. They actually are backed up by many studies- even by the CDC data. The vast majority of them do have medical degrees and are practicing medicine.

It's only considered outrageous
because it goes against the data. Both current and overal.

They actually are backed up by some studies- even by the CDC data that are either outliers or using it to misrepresent the facts.

Unfortunately they do not all have medical degrees and are not practicing medicine. They may have PhD, though or have discontinued practicing medicine through malpractice.

Your assumptions that a vast majority of these few scientists is bordering on begging the question fallacy.

Just because they’re being “silenced” doesn’t mean they’re telling the truth.

That's what I'm saying- the numbers are inaccurate. Whichever way you choose to interpret that.

Prove it.

Except for the doctors that don't agree... Oh wait- they get censored.

Yes, doctors making outrageous claims not based on any studies, or just the outlying ones, are not going to get much media exposure unless they have something that backs up their claims.

Especially if those doctors do not have a medical degree and aren’t currently practicing medicine.

"As I have said, and I guess I’ll just keep repeating myself, their actions do not justify your own actions."

And I'll point out that you are again engaging in a diversionary strawman argument. I never made any claim whatsoever about "justifying my own actions", whatever actions those are.

Then clarify. Do you think people should break the law because politicians are?

The CDC's.

The CDC’s data is inaccurate based on the CDC’s data?

Interesting.

Elaborate.

So if masks work, and people with vaccines can still get and spread the virus, why aren't they wearing masks?

I think you're missing the reality that in San Francisco, masks are mandated even for vaccinated people. London Breed is the leader of the city where such mandates have been enacted, yet she clearly did not follow her own city's rule.

Same thing with others, such as AOC. Did you know that the CDC says that even vaccinated people should wear masks indoors?

These aren't just "mistakes". Mistakes happen when you accidentally spill your glass of milk on the table. Mistakes aren't when you have a high profile event while ignoring protocols that your own political side is forcing onto the rest of the people.

“So if masks work, and people with vaccines can still get and spread the virus, why aren't they wearing masks?”

Because they’re dumb. And I’ll even throw in arrogant too, while I’m at it.

“London Breed is the leader of the city where such mandates have been enacted, yet she clearly did not follow her own city's rule.”

And she should be held accountable.

“ Did you know that the CDC says that even vaccinated people should wear masks indoors?”

Yes, I’ve been doing so since July.

When the data finally seemed to indicate that we did not have to wear masks outside regardless of whether we were vaccinated or not, I was very skeptical but the data seems to indicate that this is true.

I remember not wearing my mask outside for the first time and thinking, “Go***amn these people need to shower more often. You’d think during a pandemic where hygiene is the top priority that people would shower more. But alas. Maybe some people are on hard times and cannot afford to shower every day.”

“These aren't just "mistakes". ”

I think you’re reading too much into it.

As I have said, and I guess I’ll just keep repeating myself, their actions do not justify your own actions.

Based on the CDC's DESCRIPTION of their data.

What exactly is "the data?" That's what you leftists do- leave everything vague so people will listen to you. I assumed you meant the CDC's numbers, but apparently not.

I could say the same about your assumptions.

I am primarily getting my data from the cdc. Vaers, as well. But I am also eyeing data from Israel and Britain. Mostly because these have been given to me in failed attempts to prove the numbers for the vaccines lack any real efficiency. Efficiency may be in decline but it isn’t as drastic as they think the data implies.

However the numbers often fail to account for /why/ they died. The assumptions being that the vaccine killed them or they died from covid. Yet I haven’t seen any data that shows a majority or even close to 50% of those vaccinated are specifically dying to covid or hospitalized because of covid.

I’m happy to continue this conversation but you’re going to have to introduce something more than “no, it isn’t” as the main premise of your argument.

If you have nothing more to add or no questions to ask then I don’t see the point in responding.

If they believed that Covid was a horribly dangerous pandemic that was going to kill half of them if they didn’t wear masks, *you would never see them in gatherings without masks*. But you can see it all the time if you avoid inappropriate cranial-rectal conjunctions, therefore, the logical conclusion is THEY DON’T BELIEVE IT.

I believe that fire is hot. Therefore, I don’t stick my hand in it. It’s a matter of personal safety.

Your willful blindness is amazing. Enjoy NPC life.

Your argument isn't "I believe that fire is hot. Therefore, I don’t stick my hand in it. It’s a matter of personal safety."

It's more:

"Those politicians are putting their hands in fire. I guess fire isn't hot."

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"If they believed that Covid was a horribly dangerous pandemic that was going to kill half of them if they didn’t wear masks, *you would never see them in gatherings without masks*"

They've been vaccinated. 90% of the hospitalizations and deaths are from the unvaccinated. They assume, wrongly, that most Democratic representatives/voters are vaccinated and are therefor safe. That doesn't mean they should be taking masks off (or on) for only photo-ops. Using that as evidence alone that the pandemic itself isn't dangerous is just plain faulty logic.

"Your willful blindness is amazing. Enjoy NPC life."

Just a heads up, you'd be much more convincing if your comment was less about insulting me and more about convincing me how your logic is more sound than my argument.

Which is just simply:

Just because politicians are being dumb (or do not believe in the pandemic) does not mean there isn't a pandemic.