Hmmm

if democrats defend this, we are just fricking doomed at this point. Trump would totally get reamed as a fascist dictator if he said anything in the vicinity of this. I’m sure the media has some reason why this is “protective” to the American community, and the left will all see their “argument” and “refute” this with the media’s lies.

One thing: most Conservatives have legal guns and most Liberals don't

We are only doomed if we quietly accept it.

Yes that's true. I do sometimes have problems losing hope and getting depressed bc of all these leftists bullying their way and getting so many ppl duped into falling for these tricks (which is why i abandon politics every now and then). I do need to remember that as long as freedom lasts, we have the opportunity and responsibility to ensure it continues.

They want you to feel isolated and to quietly accept their tyranny. They have subverted many institutions. The problem is still the people’s right to free speech and thought and their right to bear arms. They are attacking those with vigor. We must be vocal and fight back. They are a loud minority run by elitists who believe it’s their right to dictate to the masses.

It’s only been proposed. Likely by some dumbass. It’s unconstitutional and the courts won’t allow it.

Proposed? No, they said they are doing it. Monitoring private communications of citizens is unconstitutional and they are doing it and using the social media platforms as an arm of the government to silence any diversity of thought. That this comes from the White House is an existential threat to the constitution.

Before you get your knickers in a twist, here is the original article and where it says it is they’re planning rather actually doing it:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

“Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely.“

Planning to do something isn’t the same thing as doing it. It is very unlikely SMS carriers will go through with its. Facebook maybe…. But phone companies? Unlikely. In fact, damage control over the articles most distressing reports have already begun.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7970807002

Which essentially clarifies that the DNC is not doing this, nor planning to do it, nor is the Biden administration involved.

Of course, I doubt you’ll believe any of this because you’ll probably unreasonably claim anything that goes against your perspective or agenda to be fake.

But hey, I’m always happy to be wrong. How about you?

I believe what people say Psaki said they are doing it on national TV. So I guess you are wrong. Glad I could make you happy.

They aren’t so you’re wrong. Sorry you feel that way.

She said it and there is video record of it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/critics-slam-psaki-white-houseconsulting-facebook-flag-misinformation.amp

She said they were consulting with Facebook and other social media platforms to crack down on misinformation. She said nothing of doing so over private messages and text messages.

So, no. You’re wrong.

Please read something sometimes instead of just watching videos.

"We are in regular touch with the social media platforms and those engagements typically happen through members of our senior staff and also members of our COVID-19 team“

They call it consulting, I call it directing.

It doesn't matter what you call it. You are wrong.

And again, they still haven't said anything about censoring private messages and texts.

Thank you for proving my point.

Patriot act bruv.

That citation was my initial worry as well.

:)

Needs to be repealed, agreed.

It won't be. Just the same as all these bills are. Especially the hundreds that Biden is pushing through with his executive power.

Biden isn’t pushing any bills through with his executive power. He can only sign off or veto the bills that Congress legislates.

And bills can be repealed either in Congress or the courts!

In fact dozens if not hundreds of laws have been repealed on the federal and local level.

However, yes, I agree, that it is unlikely the patriot act will be repealed any time soon if ever.

"Executive orders and actions aren't bills.

Thanks for proving my point.

Next time, read your own source."

Not so fast. That was just one example. My point is the same. Laws in place, just like the patriot act, are being pushed through. They are destroying this country.

https://ballotpedia.org/Joe_Biden%27s_executive_orders_and_actions

Executive orders and actions aren't bills.

Thanks for proving my point.

Next time, read your own source.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. It needs to be passed and then challenged in court and work its way up to SCOTUS before they can instantly say, "Yeah, no shit... this is obviously unconstitutional, idiots!".

So, you’re agreeing with me. Because, that is exactly how it works. However, since the DNC is not doing anything of the sort, it’s rather a moot point.

Yes... I was agreeing with you on the unconstitutionality of this whole business.

As to what the DNC is or isn't doing... we'll revisit this conversation in a couple weeks... maybe a month or two. Although, they're already reaching out to social media giants and phone service providers in an unofficial capacity already.

Fair.

well... it never really happened so... yeah

Are we really surprised? Biden has been a tool of the far left since he announced his candidacy.

He was endorsed by the Chinese Communist Party.

He was endorsed by Bob Avakian and the Revolutionary Communist Party USA. The first time ever that this group, which has criticized American elections as capitalist in the past, has endorsed a candidate of any kind. Go to the RCP’s website and there’s nothing but praise for Biden.

Source?

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-biden-administration-deems-censorship-applicable-to-private-speech

Whatever happened to freedom of speech

Yes, this is, once again, another terrible idea.

But Tucker Carlson is wrong about one thing:

“So, what does misinformation mean? Here's the thing you should know. Misinformation is not the same as false information, as factually inaccurate information. Misinformation can be factually true. In fact, it very often is factually true and that's why they're angry about it.”

That’s not true at all. Misinformation is factually inaccurate! It is fake news.

Not always. Often, media will use fractions of the truth, and expand on it.

Misinformation is fake news. Every time. That is the literal definition whether part of it is true not.

For example, if I said, “Biden is President of India.” That is misinformation. While Biden is a President, he is not the President of India.

Saying misinformation can have fractions of truth is literally doublespeak.

No, that is called a lie. When people use the term "misinformation," it is usually to discredit the other person. And yes, misinformation can have truth in it. It only needs parts of the truth.

No, lying and misinformation are virtually the same. Some definitions of misinformation is that it can be used to willfully deceive while others argue that it is simply a term for misinformation. In fact, I’m the terms first use in the 1600s, it was coined by a politician for use against his opponent’s deceitful propaganda. So the term misinformation has more in common with the term propaganda than it does as some simple trigger word or code word for the truth.

No, they are not. For, if you have no lies in a sentence, then how could you have misinformation.

Then it's not misinformation.

If what you are saying is actually factually true, then it's not really misinformation. If someone says it's misinformation and it's factually true, then they are misusing the term.

By embracing everything labeled as misinformation as actually true, you're committing doublespeak.

One last time. Misinformation usually has parcels of the truth, not the whole truth, but parts. Otherwise, that thing would only be called a lie. For, I could not tell you that the sun was the moon, without it being a lie. If I told you that the sun is similar in shape to the moon, that would be misinformation...Because, it is partially true, but not really.

I leave you with the very definition of misinformation.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/misinformation#:~:text=%2F%CB%8Cm%C9%AAs%C9%AAnf%C9%99r%CB%88me%C9%AA%CA%83n%2F,a%20campaign%20of%20misinformation

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/misinformation

Misinformation is incorrect or misleading information, the act of giving wrong information about something; the wrong information that is given; false information that is spread, regardless of whether there is intent to mislead.

It doesn't matter if there is a modicum of truth, it is not the truth.

"Misinformation is incorrect or misleading information, the act of giving wrong information about something; the wrong information that is given; false information that is spread, regardless of whether there is intent to mislead.

It doesn't matter if there is a modicum of truth, it is not the truth."

Don't you see? You just included my argument in yours.

Misinformation doesn’t have to be 100% lies. Even telling only half of the information, though true, easily can make people believe something wildly different than reality.

Yes, yes it does. Otherwise people wouldn’t call entire sources of news fake, but would rather call only the individual articles as misleading or inaccurate. The literal definition of misinformation is to purposely mislead. Now, if you want to argue if the information is truly misinformation, then you’d actually have something. Otherwise, you’re willfully engaging in doublespeak.

They deemed the Wuhan Lab virus origination misinformation. They deemed the Hunter Biden under investigation story misinformation, Those were factually accurate yet deemed misinformation.

When they say 'misinformation' I think 'someone somewhere is telling the truth about them.'

Exactly, or they simply disagree.

Agreed

The Wuhan Lab origination were not factually accurate but rather good guesses. People saying to wait for all the facts to come out first before jumping to conclusions aren’t wrong for simply doing their job.

As far as I know, the Hunter Biden situation, if there were people claiming he was not under investigation, it was based on the evidence they had at that time.

A growing contention among people who are supposedly so against fake news is accurate reporting. The double edge sword that comes with that is waiting until there is reliable confirmation to break the news. A luxury most blogs tabloid, online, small time news stations actually have.

For example, if Huffington post reported something and everyone went, “Yeah, but it’s Huffington post,” and then it turned out to be true, does that mean Huffington post is always reliable?

No. No, it doesn’t.

The lab origination theory was accurate, stifling the ability to even discuss the possibility because it isn’t proven fact yet is ridiculous censorship. Same in the Biden case. You’re ok with banning diversity of thought even when proven true. That’s a problem. If your theory is stronger it will win over challenges as these “theories” did despite the attempt to stifle discussion and discourse.

No, it wasn’t. As far as I know, people are still hashing that out. We only know that the original source, China, is dubious. It’s still a good guess but it’s not been completely ruled out. That doesn’t make it true! Or a fact. The fact, we don’t know what happened and we may never know.

Yes and OJ is innocent. The fact is that a Chinese lab dedicated to gain of function research on corona virus’s is located in Wuhan and the dna does not occur in nature. Only leftist extremist and China apologists believe it didn’t come from there. Whether it was an accident or a purposeful act may never be known but the facts of the evidence all point to Wuhan origination.

Lol, no. OJ was not innocent.

And no, I’m no leftist nor Chinese apologist.

I’m just stating facts.

I’m not saying it didn’t occur from Wuhan, simply that we cannot rule out it came from a lab. That doesn’t mean it did. It is simply now on the table due to a lack of cooperation and corroboration on China’s part.

But at least you concede we don’t know if this was maliciously intended or an accident.

It should have been on the table months ago. Censorship and declarations of misinformation used to control debate and open discussion is not democracy or freedom.

Agreed that it should've been on the table months ago.

Censorship is the right of any business that runs a platform.

If you don't like things being labeled as misinformation, then make sure you have reputable sources.

Fox news is wrong all the time so I don't believe this

Did CNN tell you that?

I think Trump told him that. Remember, Fox said Trump lost the election so we don’t listen to them anymore. 🙄

I don't listen to much of anything mainstream tells us, but fox is still heads and tails above CNN.

I watch Tucker Carlson.

You really shouldn’t watch any of them. Especially as a sole source. Fox may be heads or tails above CNN but CNN is heads and tails above Carlson.

Carlson isn’t even news!

When you put CNN above Carlson, I tune out. Sorry, but you're dead wrong on this one.

Both CNN and Carlson have been sued for libel reasons. Only CNN has paid because they were accountable for spreading false information. You would think Carlson not having to pay would mean he is more reliable, however, his defense was that he simply was exerting an opinions on his show rather than facts. In short, he is not the news:

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

I never said he was news. However, CNN has been caught making the claim that they are purposely misleading the public to promote their woke agenda and their working with the government to spread their the government's fascist agendas. Their own CEO was caught making these claims.

Tucker Carlson, while an opinion piece, he has more Truth coming from his mouth in one show than CNN has in the last year.

Sounds too much like “it’s his truth.”

CNN is more right than they are wrong otherwise, they’d be successfully sued out of existence. Most news outlets are comprised of individuals who, of course, hold biases. Carlson is one individual with a team of writers and with their own agenda, much as you accuse CNN of being.

While you have not outright called Carlson news, you compared him to an actual news organization and singled him out as a source of reliable news from Fox despite it’s overall tanked reputation among Trump Supporters.

So, either you’re being purposely being intellectually dishonest or you were being nonsensical by inserting Carlson as an irrelevancy into the topic. I’m going to wager the former rather than the latter.

In short, don’t watch Carlson. Stick to literally anything else.

Thanks for the chat!

All of CNN is opinion, don't kid yourself. Even AP has waded into it since Trump. But there's a reason why Carlson's ratings are better than anyone else at Fox. Try watching it sometimes. He even had Tulsi on a bunch when she was blacklisted by all the lib media.

I wouldn’t know, I don’t watch it.

Nor do I give a shit about people’s opinions.

I don’t need an echo chamber to feel secure in my personal convictions.

Gee! Almost like that's a tactic defense lawyers throw out among others!

You claiming CNN is better then any MSM source is laughable.

Lol. I never said CNN is better than any MSM source. Just Carlson or any opinion talking head, really. Opinions aren’t news. Maddow isn’t news either. Nor is she CNN. (Thought she was MSNBC? Either way, don’t watch her either.)

"CNN is more right than they are wrong otherwise, they’d be successfully sued out of existence."

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. If it weren't for the CEO of CNN actually admitting on camera that they are purposely lying to push an agenda, I might agree a little more, but I've always known CNN to lie.

And they have been sued, but it isn't reported.

CNN taking a page out of Fox’s book to put on more opinion heads, like Carlson, for ratings makes them unreliable?

Le gasp!

Opinions aren’t news. Carlson isn’t Fox nor is one CEO all of CNN.

Despite it’s tarnished reputation in recent years for basically underreporting Obama administration stumbles to every insignificant one of Trump’s daily bumbles doesn’t make Carlson more reliable than CNN as a whole.

It is at least a news network.

Anyone who says the entire thing is trash is just selling something.

The difference between FOX and CNN is that the talking heads on FOX openly admit they're opinion people. Greg, Carlson, Hannity, and a few others have stated they are opinion, not reporters.

I can’t verify that at this time because I don’t watch CNN lol

A news network that claims to be unbiased, unlike MSNBC and others. HAHAHAHA a new network that has zero conservative representation.

You don’t need representation in news.

Opinion pieces offer that representation you crave. Talking heads bought and paid for by our actual representatives.

I just need facts, not perspectives.

"Facts" like these?

Sounds like an opinion that I don’t give a shit about.

Not sure what you’re trying to prove.

Carlson is shit. Just like the above person’s opinion.

Biased one sided news = Good.

Okay there bud.

But you don't watch it so keep on keeping on.

Facts aren’t biased.

Honestly in the 10 years it seems like America is on the path to socialism I voted trump cuz Biden seems like a socialist in disguise America has been worked about communism while the real threats been sleeping into America since the great war

He is using LGBTQ stuff to make him look good he's just a wolf in sheep's clothing he is doing all he can to make him look good

Right on both posts.

Chuck Callesto from what I see on here, I dont look into stuff much so idk where else it would be