Sam Elliott special kind of stupid

Yes, and we have all noticed that since Trump turned out to be correct regarding the southern border, the national economy, and foreign policy, they are collectively terrified that proof will finally surface about Dem Party leadership and RINO collusion regarding the 2020 election. So all they are left talking about are . . . mean tweets!

Yep...leftist's are pathetic

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The precise origin of Covid is both a fascinating question and, in practical terms, unimportant.

In practical terms, what matters isn’t where it’s from but what we did about it.

Many of the same people promoting the Wuhan lab conspiracy last year were the ones chafing at social distancing rules, refusing to strap on a $5 face mask, popping hydroxychloroquine, etc. etc. etc. Shunning all the things that were proven effective at containing the virus, falling head-over-heels for all the speculative stuff.

And many of those same people now gloating about the Wuhan lab origin story going mainstream are STILL, TO THIS DAY, REFUSING TO GET VACCINATED.

Widespread vaccination is the ONLY reason the pandemic is ending, new cases and deaths are way down, and life is just starting to get “back to normal.”

Tl;dr — If y’all had masked up and treated it like the Chinese bioterror attack y’all thought it was, then maybe mainstream people would have taken you more seriously.

Last thing: It’s worth noting, even today, the lab leak theory does NOT imply a bioterror attack. Only incompetence. If you still believe in the “bioterror” aspect of the Wuhan lab theory, you are still wrong.

Everytime I see some left winger ridicule hydroxychloroquine I just to ask how many people have you killed by making fun of a drug that has been over 75% successful just because Trump mentioned it?

In the about 25% that it didn't help it didn't hurt them or make it worse.

But just because of politics the left added to the COVID deaths.

HCQ, Ivermectin, zinc and antibiotic helped me with no absolutely no problems. Took them early in relation to symptoms. Started on a Friday night, woke up following Tuesday feeling 100% better.

Honestly, the zinc and antibiotic probably did most of the work.

I don’t agree.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/number_of_covid_cases_in_delhi_crashes_after_mass_distribution_of_ivermectin.html?utm_source=wnd&utm_medium=wnd&utm_campaign=syndicated

So you aren't one of ones who died. Good for you.

Much appreciated. But I think more people could have lived.

HCQ is not preventative. It’s a treatment. You really think literally in-betwee toilet paper and gas hoarders that letting any busy body have the drug without a prescription was a smart move? Especially at a time when we didn’t know it was an effective treatment?

One study, sure! Flawed though it was. But more testing was needed and preventing yahoos smart enough to recognize that Covid was very real and more deadly than the flu (by about two or three times more deadly at the time. Now closer to 8 times) to deplete the market and risk those who really needed it.

Well now it depends on the drug doesn't it. HCQ is harmless. With the doctors who prescribed it before they were banned (and had there jobs threatened if they did prescribe it) it was shown effective both as a prophylactic and as a treatment.

Do you really need a study by the AMA for a drug that was approved by the FDA 80 years ago?

HCQ is used for rheumatoid arthritis and malaria. My sister has been taking it for years for her arthritis with no negative side effects.

In many countries it is sold over the counter.

The real problem with HCQ is that it is inexpensive and the pharmaceutical industry did not want an inexpensive solution. They wanted an expensive solution.

The left was more than happy to agree with the pharmaceutical industry because Trump mentioned that it has been shown effective. It is painfully obvious that if Trump said that breathing air was a good thing, Democrats all over the country would be suffocating themselves rather than believe Trump.

So much suffering and many lives could have been saved if Democrats would have stopped playing politics with peoples lives. Democrats have never had any concern for anyone's lives unless those people vote Democrat. And they only care about them when an election is imminent. They are all pompous gas bags who are not worthy of the salary they steal from us. That applies to all Democrat politicians lot of Republican politicians as well.

If the Dems hadn't been so power hungry and just kept their overfed mouths shut then a whole lot of suffering could have been mitigated and fewer people would have died.

Everyone knows that HCQ is not a cure because it does cure everyone. But in most people it knocked COVID-19 out within a day or 2. But the most important thing is that HCQ is harmless. If it didn't weaken COVID-19 it was not going to make it worse.

If I or anyone I knew had gotten COVID-19 I would be demanding HCQ.

HCQ can cause heart rhythm problems (QT elongation.) I found it interesting that some of the other drugs being tried against COVID-19, like azithromycin, also have the characteristic of causing QT prolongation. I found a review on the FDA website of entries in the Drug Safety Analytics Dashboard database when using HCQ in the treatment of COVID-19 went wrong. Here's the breakdown of the serious cases:

Of the 109 hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine cases with a serious cardiac adverse
event:
80 (73%) reported QT prolongation.
4 (4%) reported Torsades de Pointes (TdP)
92 (84%) reported concomitant use of at least one other medication that prolongs
the QT interval.
75 (69%) reported concomitant use of azithromycin.
14 (13%) reported ventricular arrhythmia, ventricular tachycardia or ventricular
fibrillation.
25 (23%) had a fatal outcome. Fatal cardiac cases were considered those cases
reporting death and a cardiac AE.

HCQ might be useful against COVID-19, but it's clear that it's not some magic bullet without risk.

So the question is is this research politicized because of COVID-19 or is it truthful. it is very commonly prescribed for rheumatoid arthritis. If it was bad as what you reported I would think that something else would be prescribed for rheumatoid arthritis.

I don't know the answer to those questions.

This review was done by looking at the database where adverse reactions are recorded. The thing that stood out to me was that 84% of the serious events occurred in the presence of at least one other drug that affects the QT interval. That kind of data is simple tabulation of reports created by medical transcriptionists putting doctor's notes into the DSAD database for the FDA to mine.

The name of the review is "OSE Review Hydroxychloroquine-Chloroquine - 19 May 2020 Redacted" The redacted part is just some product codes. It's only 15 pages, so you can see for yourself if you think the way they conducted the database search was slanted in any way.

Most drugs have some "bad as reported" aspect. If a life-saving drug causes brain damage only in certain situations, then you put a warning on the label. Many people think aspirin is the most harmless thing ever. People have bled to death because they took aspirin and then suffered an injury that might not have killed them if not for the blood thinning properties of aspirin. Those same blood thinning properties have saved the lives of people who might have died from heart attack or stroke. Even aspirin is not a magic bullet without risk. Would you give it to your 10-year-old with the flu? Hint: I mentioned brain damage for a reason...

My undetstanding is arrhythmias are only a problem if it’s a pre-existing condition of the person taking HCQ.

Good lord, this HXQ rabbit-hole again.

There was intense interest in the drug, since it was already widely available and cheap, but several studies showed it simply didn’t live up to the hype.

It has nothing to do with FDA bias. Other countries without the FDA or “the big pharmaceutical lobby,” or whomever HXQ boosters blame, would have started prescribing it in droves and would have seen their death rates plummet.

HXQ was just one of dozens of potential and experimental treatments that didn’t quite pan out. (There were other treatments that did pan out, like Remdesivir, which we heard less about).

The *only* reason HXQ got headline coverage was because Trump picked it, essentially out of a hat, as the drug he was going to put his chips on. (Query whether he had a financial motive to do so, or whether it was as simple as some HXQ promo person catching his ear. Trump is famously impulsive like that.)

Trump was wrong, but a lot of people are invested in Trump being right, and that’s why we’re still hearing about it.

It ain’t it, chief. At this point in the pandemic, now that we have vaccines that work: Take the damn vaccine, if you haven’t already, that is all.

From 2005 reasearch on HCQ against SARS:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/

“ We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

Fauci and Birx need to rot in hell.

Why? Their actions actually ensured people who needed HCQ would get it. Not the people who were looking for a miracle cure and maybe eased their symptoms if they were in the lucky 7% of the unlucky 5% who had more than mild symptoms.

Antiviral isn’t the same thing as vaccines. An antivirus is an antidote. It is a treatment. Vaccines are preventative. There is a difference.

While HCQ may have been effective in the treatment of one coronavirus, that doesn’t mean it’s a catch all for all of them.

“ Their actions actually ensured people who needed HCQ would get it.”

Just as big a lie as Fauci’s and Birx’s

I’m sorry you feel that way but it’s a fact.

I loved Fauci's latest testimony on the lab leak theory. A very fascinating question. If it turns out that China's incompetence in handling a virus that they enhanced caused the deaths of millions worldwide, I would disagree with your characterization of "unimportant."

I also loved when factcheck.org said:
During an interview with CBS’ “60 Minutes” in March 2020, Fauci actually said that “masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else.” But he added that face masks generally do not provide the “perfect protection” from getting infected “that people think” and so “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.”

That statement was based on Fauci's knowledge of droplets, transmission, and mask efficacy. Oh, and he didn't want everybody going out and depleting the stock of N95 respirators that medical personnel need. Later, he espoused a cloth or paper mask instead of the N95 respirator. That was a smart pivot. Give people a way to feel safe without depleting the N95 stocks.

Good points - labs that handle coronaviruses ought to follow the strictest safety precautions regardless of where Covid-19 came from.

And public health is a complicated field that balances science with available resources. That's why the guidance changed a bit from March 2020 (face masks not widely available, reserved for medical personnel) vs. later when everyone and his brother could get a face mask for less than $5.

When the early reports of the virus in China came out, I went online and every online source of N 95 mask was sold out. Somebody knew something!

If you believe anything coming out of Communist China, you’re a moron. An utter and complete idiot.

Heard it in his voice, didn't you.

liberals' are baby assholes now a days

Exactly

The Big Pelowski. :-)

Yep

Well, which is it: it's a biological weapon or exaggerated? You can't have both. Make your minds up!

Wrong. It can be both.

Nope

actually, it can be a biological weapon that isn't so large, and so people can exaggerate its size. Very easy concept to grab, you know?

There's still no evidence of widespread election fraud though.