Tell me the truth, I'm ready to hear it

yo now the political stream is just a bunch of old people saying what they think on memes. if you want to convince us, make better memes.

Where are the rules that state the politics stream is for "young people" who must "only say approved things"? And who approves your ideas before you are allowed to post them?

i never said there were rules. im stating what i think.

But your comment belittled the political stream on petty grounds which were based on what you think. To be honest, you can learn a lot of wisdom by paying attention to what is said in the political stream. If you pay attention to the media, Big Tech, or leftist teachers at school, you are bound to hear the false narrative instead of truth.

Amen brother

alright where do you get your news from? fox news im guessing

Seriously, you need to start questioning the narrative you are being fed. Just like when you are in a dream, you might think it's reality, but eventually you wake up. When you have been indoctrinated for so long, you think you are correct and others are wrong. Eventually, though, you'll (hopefully) wake up.

so your saying that whenever i oppose trump, im wrong whatsoever.

No, I'm not saying that. Oppose Trump if you wish, but do so using reason and facts. You need to start core values based upon rational grounds, and from there develop rational policy positions, and proceed from there. I agreed with Trump on many things but not on everything, but I also know that the media attacked him using all sorts of false and exaggerated claims.

if you could, can you give an example?

Sure - in the days after the Capitol riots, news reported that it was "deadly" riot in which several were killed, including an officer who was beaten over the head with a fire extinguisher by rioters. That sounded horrific and made the rioters seem like monsters. The only problem was that it was not true. As the weeks passed by, we learned that one death was from a heart attack (natural cause), one from a stroke (natural cause), one from a drug overdose (self-inflicted). The only actual killing was when an officer shot and killed a protestor. As for the officer who was allegedly bludgeoned to death, it turns out that he actually died of a stroke a day or two after the riots. The reality was that the rioters did not kill anyone, even though the media constantly hyped a narrative that the rioters were some blood-thirsty mob. I agree that many in the mob were violent and that needs to be denounced for sure. However, their violence was of the hitting and punching sort, rather than the death-blow sort.

Darko_yolo, I disagree that it was merely "if it bleeds, it leads" sensationalism to blame. You have to understand that virulent Anti-Trump activism within the media for years which tried to blame Trump for just about everything bad that happened under the sun over the past several years. Simply Google the story, "Capitol siege: Threats to impeach Donald Trump grow after police officer death" to see how attempts to link Trump to the officer's death provided political ammunition to the Democrats.

I don't want to float conspiracy theories, because I think they're harmful, but I don't think it is a conspiracy theory to say that Democrats have acted incredibly shady, and with bad intentions, with greater intensity over the past several years.

the cop died from bear spray that was sprayed on him. (there is footage)

No, actually he didn't die or bear spray. That was a second claim, but it turned out to be false based upon the coroner's report. Do a Google search for "sicknick death coroner" for the more recent news on the topic.

Picture this: 42 year old cop who looked to be in perfect health at BLM protest is bear sprayed and collapses within 24 hours and dies.

Do you think anyone would have held off assuming that something that day led to his death?

Months later report says natural causes.

I think there would have been a lot of skepticism of that report. Left wing media is covering for BLM! ... all I know is he was alive and now he’s dead!

In fact, I would bet a significant number of people would dismiss the report. I mean, who trusts cause of death reports after this virus hoax? /s

I think people assuming the riot caused his death was understandable, not an example of media bias.

well, someone got sprayed with bear spray

“The cop died from bear spray that was sprayed on him.”

There’s no evidence of that. I am entirely uninterested in your speculations.

did i ask?

Now you are getting it!

Or you could not look on the politic stream.

eh yeah but sometimes it gets boring over at fun you know what i mean?

Like how you don’t complain about the politics too stream. Basically identical.

Yeah.

That would apply to fun. I am old but I say things I think in fun and in cats and sports and all the other topics. Not just politics. I prefer wise to old.

From an infant's point of view - that's every stream.

What’s wrong with old people?

I think the terrorist label is being thrown around a lot for both when I wouldn't classify it that way. However, both technically meet some of the definitions. Of course, so do the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party. Even workers striking have implied threats against people who 'cross the picket line'.

Definitions of terrorism vary. The FBI definition is as good as any:
Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

BLM
Protesters for social justice (fully legal)

BLM Rioters (subset)
Angry that their voices weren't heard.
Believe the system has failed them and is rigged against them.
Destroying property and looting. (100% illegal)
Political goal - Likely multiple goals // Demonstration of consequences of failure to provide justice?

Capitol protesters
protesting the results of an election (fully legal)

Capitol rioters (subset)
Angry that their voices weren't heard.
Believe the system has failed them and is rigged against them.
Destroying property and looting. (100% illegal)
Building a gallows to "hang Mike Pence" (100% illegal)
Political goal - Stop Congress from certifying the election

Building a gallows is illegal?

Unless they had a building permit. :)

Hanging a paper mache effigy is different from building an actual gallows and then forcing your way into a building where the VP is while chanting "hang Mike Pence".

They serve the same purpose. Meant to menace the perceived oppressor.

The point is the gallows means nothing it’s the same as the effigy hanging. You will pretend it does because your narrative requires it to justify persecution of political
Opponents.

I'm not wasting time on this. It isn't a narrative: People came to the capitol, built a gallows, and then went to find the VP while chanting that they were going to hang him.

Even if you could establish that they weren't serious, you would also need to establish that the VP and others knew they weren't serious. Terrorism is about controlling through terror and fear.

Gallows and mob = scary; not a good birthday activity

Piñata = not scary; good birthday activity

Theater, its what you guys play at all the time. Optics and slogans so you can use the system to terrorize those who oppose your views. The people involved in the protest were Americans not terrorists like BLM and Antifa who continue to conduct terrorism daily in Seattle and Portland.

What is the difference between BLM and the Capitol people? Why do you consider one group terrorists and not the other?

Not backtracking at all. If you can call the capitol rioters terrorists I will call blm and Antifa rioters terrorists. Period. I simply stated that really don’t believe either are terrorists because a save that classification for a lower form of life than even blm and Antifa. You are trying so hard for a “gotcha” lol. My arguments are consistent because they are part of my beliefs. Keep trying

Alright. Going back through the thread: I started with not terrorists, then at one point implied that the Capitol rioters were. I didn’t mean it that way. I was specifically responding to your equating a gallows with an effigy.

Not my intent to contradict. It was (and is) consistent in my head. I just assumed I was clear on a few points I left unsaid.

But, “ The people involved in the protest were Americans not terrorists like BLM and Antifa who continue to conduct terrorism daily in Seattle and Portland.“. This reads like everyone at the Capitol was a protester and every member of BLM and antifa is a terrorist. Is that what you meant? I differentiate hard on people who were there to protest and those who broke the law (BLM or Capitol). I imagine there were a lot of people at the Capitol who showed up to protest and then bugged out real fast when things went south.

I actually don’t consider either terrorist. You guys are the ones that bring that up. I think that all these cases are protests becoming violent riots and the responsible are a smaller group still. However if you are going to call
One terrorists then they all fill the bill.

BS. You just said "The people involved in the protest were Americans not terrorists like BLM and Antifa who continue to conduct terrorism daily in Seattle and Portland."

Now you are backtracking. Did you just realize you actually don't have a good reason? Or was it something else?

BLM killed dozens of people last year & caused millions (possibly billions) of dollars of property damage.

The Capitol protestors killed no one & caused a couple of thousand in property damage. At some point the difference in scale becomes a difference in kind.

Dozens and billions... I can't find any detailed sources, but that is in the range.

The protesters killed no one - associated with doesn't necessarily mean killed by. I think if you looked into it you'd find that the BLM total includes protesters killed.

Kyle Rittenhouse deaths? I bet those are counted. The cop killed by Steven Carrillo, Boogaloo Bois? I really don't know if heart attacks and strokes at other riots are counted, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Capitol - Around 450 people, one City, one day (there may have been local protests across the country as well but I can't find the numbers).

BLM protests have been in over 2000 cities and in 40% of the counties in the us. with an estimated 14 - 26 million participants.

I don't think a pure numbers comparison is fair given the vastly different scope.

Well so was the BOSTON TEA PARTY which started a fight for independence. I may not agree with all riots or insurrection most are quite stupid really but this nation this REPUBLIC was started from a riot. An insurrection. Were we right in standing up against tyranny sure. Are all the current riots for a good reason? History will tell the story quite differently than a meme comments site I am sure of it. You can rant and rave in here but it is but a pebble of sand on a beach. What are you accomplishing except possibly making yourself and others angry but what is your purpose of such ranting? Your comment is nothing dust in the wind in the grand scheme of how things work because they go no where. Including this very comment. What a waste of valuable time and energy. You have a short lifetime if you choose to live in anger and fear then so be it. What a sad and futile waste though.

I'm not angry. I like debate. I get stress relief from this. I also like to be right. But I like to really be right, not just think I am. Who better than people who disagree with me to poke holes in what I believe to be true? I end up doing research and looking things up to rebut. Sometimes I make my existing arguments better. Sometimes I have to change my mind. Good times. Makes me a better American.

I do waste a lot of time on this, to be sure.

Boston Tea Party was terrorism. But don't let that hang you up. It is a word, it has meaning. We have a tendency to think of it as always bad. But then glorify wars where just as many civilians died. Killing unarmed civilians is bad no matter what the label. Whether you call that 'collateral damage' or 'terrorism'. At least the Boston Tea Party was just property damage, though it was a lot: 92000 pounds of tea, estimated at a million dollars in todays dollars.

The revolutionary war wasn't as clean cut as history books spell it. There was actually a quote from ...I don't remember who... but he was one of the patriot leaders. He was quoted as saying he didn't think history would be kind to the patriots for the way they treated the loyalists. Many of the loyalists agreed with the patriots in theory (they were pretty much all Calvinists), and thought that the colony model was broken and that they should self govern. But they couldn't bring themselves to rebel against their sovereign. They were British citizens and thought the way to handle things was by going through the parliamentary process. Redcoat Lives Matter.

At the beginning I think it was like 1/3 for, 1/3 against, 1/3 undecided. The patriots forced everyone to make a choice. There were loyalists who were burned out of their homes, tarred and feathered (which despite being a joke now is actually pretty traumatic), and forced to flee. History is complex: I'm not trying to say we were the bad guys, just that war is hell and anything that looks too clean has been whitewashed.

Fun thing I read once: The only difference between a rebellion and a revolution is who wins. If we had lost the American revolution, it would be called a rebellion. If the south had won the civil war, they would have called it a revolution.

The difference for members of congress is, they felt directly threatened on Jan 6. But they didn’t feel threatened by all the current riots and those from last summer because those take place miles away in places they never visit except for a photo op.

I don't recall ever seeing a democrat ot republican ever have peaceful protesters brutalized for a pathetic photo op to pander to fake Christians

Me neither, what’s your point?

Apparently you didn't study any of the civil rights movements of the 60s. Plenty of African American peaceful protesters were brutalized and politicians got their spotlights as best as they could with the technology available to them.

Joe Biden for example fought tooth and nail to keep buses from being accessible and also was severely against creating a jungle when integrating black and white students. He barked those kind of statements at the White fake Christian voters who wanted to keep things separated.