Selective Outrage much?

The level of seriousness apparently depends on the proximity to the ivory tower.

And the voting system wasn't cheated.

Burden of proof lies with the accuser.

Arizona audit

I wait with bated breath.

Care to put your money where your mouth is?

Wager 1) Biden still wins (if there is a discrepancy, it won't be sufficient to change the election)

Wager 2) Trump throws the audit under the bus.

Third option audit proves our election process is unreliable.

I think that falls under 1. But I'll be happy to take that at face value. But I would have to insist on sine form of measurable metric. Maybe 5% shift in results? Something else?

The wager?

I admit I'm surprised that more people didn't bring firearms.

However, it's also encouraging to see that even in such a crazy atmosphere people had the common sense to leave them at home.

DC has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the country. The reason is that it was illegal to carry them. No open carry, concealed carry only with a permit.....a DC permit - because Washington D.C. does not honor CCW licenses from any state or subdivision of the United States.

And you're likely correct that those laws applied to the huge percentage of people that day who gathered but did NOT attack the capitol...however, do you honestly think that people who intended to assault a building and break multiple laws would care about breaking one or two more codes in the process?

It's not a code violation - it's a felony. Of the thousands in attendance - there were 10 firearm arrests.

There is video of capitol police letting people into the building - moving barricades, and even one on video saying "as long as you're peaceful, you can come in"

The whole thing was a setup to deflect from the hundreds of liberal/blm/antifa riots over the past 4 years.

A felony is an action that violates a Federal/state code/ordinance and carries with it a penalty of over a year in prison. Therefore we're both right here (presumably, if that is indeed the penalty for carrying a weapon in DC illegally which, bastion of leftism it is, I imagine is the case).

OK, ten firearms arrests. Not bad at all, honestly. Given my whole original point was that it was a good thing no (exhaustive statement because I couldn't be bothered to look up if there were individual violations of what I knew to otherwise be a pretty general truth) firearms were brought, I'll count that as supporting my original argument...the other point about people not caring about breaking a law isn't falsified by that claim either though, because it still holds true; someone about to break one law probably doesn't care about breaking another (coughpipebombscough).

That first line could go the lie that Bush told us about the "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq and why we had to attack! 7000 Americans died on that Republican lie.

Yeah um about that “no weapons” thing

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used

Molotov cocktails lol

Eyyy that’s supposed to be a Portland ANTIFA thug thing!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/dc-protester-arrested-11-molotov-cocktails-guns-list/story%3fid=75211356

Says the one who says:"BLM KiLls PeOpLe AnD rIoTs" The reason it was an insurrection was because they were trying to stop the democratic certification of ballots and the democratic process. It's clear they were trying to keep Trump in power, instead of the legally elected Biden coming to office. If more of the world believes that the USA is a bigger threat to Democracy than China or Russia you've got a problem. That's because of January 6. It was an assault on democracy, had this happened anywhere else you would have said that "It'S aN uNdEmOcRaTiC cOuNtRy" so it's the same in the US. And just to say, no, it wasn't BLM rioting. It's the KKK, the Proud Boys, and some other MAGA supporters who showed up and protested in the opposite way, as well as police. That led to clashes in all sides. Had MAGA supporters not shown up, it would have been more peaceful.

The only "insurrection" I've ever heard of in which nobody was armed.

For those who don’t wanna do links, here is my own rundown of the weaponry carried by the rioters based on the best-known information at the time a few days afterwards: It’s lengthy enough but almost certainly not exhaustive

CoPs DoN'T sHoOt YoU iF yOu ObEy ThE lAw.

The woman shot was blatantly violating the law though...sad that she died, but nobody should be surprised when that's the result of trying to break into a room full of elected officials...

Cops shouldn't shoot unless someone life is in imminent danger. Otherwise it's murder.

I'll again say that her death was regrettable...what I'm saying is that it's not surprising an agent opened fire given the stress of the situation. In his shoes, if you don't have a clear picture of what's going on, there's a mob outside likely to harm the folks you're assigned to protect, and someone makes like they're going to try and break through the last barricade, it's entirely understandable why the trigger was pulled.

Nope. The congress people were safely out of the area by then.
Dudes a murderer.

Go watch the footage. You're just plain wrong.

My recollection of the event isn't at its best, but even if the room was cleared then it's entirely possible the agent had orders to hold the line there.

There are a lot more factors at play than just considerations as to whether it's right or wrong, sad as that is to say.

I agree. If it had been a one on one confrontation, I would definitely agree with you. However, I would have been scared for my life if I had been a cop tasked with protecting the capitol and a mob was forcing their way in.

That's worked for me and my wife. We haven't been shot by a cop yet.

Statistically, it will work for most of us.

Breaking the law shouldn't come with a death penalty. And that rule works a lot better for white people in this country.

Oh, I agree with you. I'm just saying, statistically, most of us haven't been shot by police. Statistically, most of us haven't been a lot of things we worry about. Why are we concerned about terrorists? More people die of the flu every year!

So very true. Of course, human brains are terrible at assessing risk.

Most liberals are about as sympathetic to the MAGA rioter casualties of that day as we are toward the Confederate war dead who fought and died against the Constitution and on the wrong side of history for the notion of treason and the perpetual enslavement of blacks

Fair enough?

You just made me remember this post of mine from 6 months ago: imgflip.com/i/4luu5l#com7029269

Burning and looting is a crime. I do not defend those who do it. I agree with the political goals of people who have rioted and somewhat with some of the vandalism. But when you break the law in protest you have still broken the law and there are consequences. Those crimes are destruction of property, arson, etc. Though we should at least touch in the police station burned down by boogaloo boys since it hasn't all been left.

Rioters, looters, etc. should be punished in accordance with the law. That's what the courage of your convictions is all about. If you decide to break the law for a good reason, you have still broken the law.

Now, if your convictions call for the overthrow of the US government, there is a prescribed punishment for that as well. But hopefully it doesn't come to that.

That said, our hearts go out to the family of Brian Sicknick and the families of other Capitol Hill officers who either gave their lives or tragically took their own lives shortly after the mayhem: Be they “Democrat controlled” in your judgment or not

Keep lying.

the "insurrection" was not an insurrection by definition of the word, since the riotous group was not attempting to take over the government, but stop the certification of the electors from each state, which is what was taking place in the House on Jan. 6.

It wasn't an attempted takeover. Sure. They were there to stop the certification of an election by elected officials. There are no two ways about it.

Now, if the election was stolen then what they did was justified. I mean, how not?

Key word there is 'if'. Trump, while the sitting President and most powerful man in the world, wasn't able to gather enough evidence to prove 'the steal'? I don't buy it.

Plus he claimed there was cheating in the republican primaries before his first run and the results couldn't be trusted...and then he won. He said the same thing about the 2016 election - and then he won. So when he said the same thing leading into the 2020 election? Its just him preemptively ensuring it isn't his fault if he loses.

If you actually believe that a senile generic unable to speak old man got over 80 million votes then I have some property for you in Arizona that is right on the beach. Lmao.

Yeah, I do. Normally, Joe wouldn't have gotten that many votes. Usually, you have to stand for something to win a vote because you need people to turnout. This was a year where that dynamic changed.

You had a president in who spent 4 years 'owning libs' and 'making us cry'. 4 years of just not knowing what he was going to do or say at any given moment. The intentional antagonism.

Most people don't want to think about politics on the daily or even weekly. Most of us believe in climate change. Most of us believe in science. Not as many of us as I would have thought 4 years ago, but still most.

He lost some old school Republican votes after the Kurds. I work with a few veterans and that really sat poorly with them.

Before Trump I would have said that 'business as usual' was the worst thing in the world. How naïve I was.

It's not a matter of "believe". It's a simple fact that he did.

Aka stop the process of democracy.

They're literally trying to save it from the GOP attempts at suppressing it.

You did.

you have to see the movie to get it

The red/blue pill is mainly a thing of the first movie if I remember correctly, whereas that image is from the second one.

Says the one who says:"BLM KiLls PeOpLe AnD rIoTs" The reason it was an insurrection was because they were trying to stop the democratic certification of ballots and the democratic process. It's clear they were trying to keep Trump in power, instead of the legally elected Biden coming to office. If more of the world believes that the USA is a bigger threat to Democracy than China or Russia you've got a problem. That's because of January 6. It was an assault on democracy, had this happened anywhere else you would have said that "It'S aN uNdEmOcRaTiC cOuNtRy" so it's the same in the US. And just to say, no, it wasn't BLM rioting. It's the KKK, the Proud Boys, and some other MAGA supporters who showed up and protested in the opposite way, as well as police. That led to clashes in all sides. Had MAGA supporters not shown up, it would have been more peaceful.

Go for it :)

Your source seems a bit slanted. The local paper covered it without using all caps.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/picture-gallery/news/2021/04/08/one-arrested-during-protest-capitol/7147707002/

Oh Well. Seems like both sides are trash.

More like, there's trash on both sides.

...and what does this have to do with 'insurrection'?

It doesn't I was just showing that both sides are trash in their own ways.