Lisa Simpson's Presentation

Good one!

This is from the Babylon Bee

The funny thing is that they have the audacity to claim they are supporting or promoting equality.

Lol

Good One - 20f68v.jpg (click to show) Meme Upvoted!

Says every dictatorship.
Then cries about government control.

Nobody said anything about racism. XD

It's the underlying reason for the meme in the first place. People were calling us racists for fighting for voter ID. You had to be there, I guess.

It's about pure government control. Something we don't want. But our party keeps crying about it then doing the opposite with things like voter ID.
It's getting embarassing to be republican.

It's about government of the people, by the people and for the people. Those aren't just platitudes.

Yeah, even back then that was said with a snicker and a giggle.

So you are against any form of election integrity?

That’s actually optional. It can delay your return in some states if you don’t provide it though. Let me assure you, Uncle Sam isn’t about to put a barrier on getting your money.

In my home state of Georgia, it is required to electronically file, but obviously not required if you just mail in your tax return.

Fair enough. Not required, but extremely inconvenient.

How many of the voter fraud claims from this go-round are ID related? The only fair election is one conservatives win. Otherwise, it was definitely fraud. /S

Not voter fraud. Election interference. Russia interfered. Are you saying they didn’t? Just because they interfered doesn’t mean Trump didn’t win. The question at hand was whether he solicited the interference.

There was evidence of interference as confirmed by our intelligence community.

Whether the interference was sufficient to change the results is unknowable.

well, just for the food for thought. What is the actual claim by the Democrat party about "Russian interference" with the 2016 election? How did Russia interfere and what did they interfere with? The implied claim is that Russian interference caused Trump to win instead of Hillary. If that's is so, how did Russia change any votes for Trump instead of Hillary. If Russia didn't change any votes, then what interference did they really cause? The entire 4 years of Trump, the Democrats, along with the media, daily attacked Trump under the whole premise that Trump was not legitimately elected, as in the whole #NotMyPresident hashtag trend. If Trump was not legitimate, in what way? Did he not receive enough electoral votes to win? Did Russia change any votes?

The claim is Russia went through a propaganda campaign to support Trump. This included them having teams of people on social media spreading false information, creating groups, etc. It also included the DNC hacks. Whether they just thought he would be better for them, thought an inexperienced leader would be easier to manipulate, or they just didn't like Hillary, who knows? They also (according to intelligence) preferred Bernie over Biden for 2020. Do with that what you will.

Votes weren't changed, they were influenced. This is why I say we don't know who would have won without the interference. There's no way to predict how votes would have gone. So, if that had been the end of it, then Trump is president and it isn't his fault....but he did say in one speech that someone should hack into Hillary's stuff (I think that was the phrasing, its been a while). Also the meetings his people had with Russian Agents. however, the investigation didn't find evidence of that...now there was a bit of obstruction and refusal to assist with the investigation...but the house didn't go after that, so whatever. The Russia probe in the end found that by legal definition Trump would have had to request Russia's assistance and understand that he owed them something back in return for it to be illegal. They concluded there was no evidence of an agreement of that sort.

Now, the "good news" is that when Russia tried the same thing leading into 2020 it was determined that we now spread so much propaganda ourselves that the Russian attempts at influence were generally falling flat. So yay. We now spread so much BS that it drowns out manipulative BS.

Not my president - I never said it. He was my president even if I was never happy about it. Seems a lot of people on the right are saying the same thing about now. Clinton had to work through an impeachment trial. If he did solicit aid from Russia, then he should have been impeached. The investigation was to determine that. If he had cooperated it would have been over faster with a lot less doubt, but that is just my opinion. As far as the media attacking him...the media is a business and the minute people stopped caring about it, they would have stopped reporting on it.

Is this sarcasm or racism?

You believe that blacks can't get ID? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

the great divider, or: how to NOT run a country

Can you please explain where you found racism in my comment or the original meme? and no, neither that comment nor the original meme is sarcastic (though it may be a bit oversimplified).

you are giving no real explanation.

So what do YOU do when the only centres for issuing government ID in your area close?

Yeah, its like 5 extra miles or so to the next one.

Once I had to get my license reinstated. (This was before online dmv) I had to travel 240 miles to the area that I had to pay off to two different DMVs. Traveled by bus and train to do it. There's a way to get somewhere if you want to. Especially if you know someone who drives. 5 miles isn't far.

Lol only in America would that be a tolerable answer. What a backwater.

Moral leadership, empathy, and dignity? Zero!

Go back when they’re open.

"Only centers for issuing government ID in your area close"

Only, you mean...the one in your area. Well, first, let's make sure you're not confusing state and federal government. But if one in my area closes? I go to the dmv in another area.

The Troll of Truth serving up a Truth Sandwich that you can find a place to get ID! Only liberals who are racist think blacks can not do that!

America: f**ked up beyond all recognition, by conservatives

DMVs close to keep you from voting? Well that is some conspiracy.

I'll say! Especially when the right wing fascists mandate them to be closed,

The "right wingers" are mandating
the Department of Motor Vehicles to close? They don't want people driving too? Interesting. Where can I find this info.

https://i.imgflip.com/59y4jn.jpg

You've never looked at a map of DMV locations, have you?

Once I had to get my license reinstated. (This was before online dmv) I had to travel 240 miles to the area that I had to pay off to two different DMVs. Traveled by bus and train to do it. There's a way to get somewhere if you want to. Especially if you know someone who drives.

Ok. Now imagine you DON'T know someone who drives. And even if you did, think of the people who just wouldn't have the gas money to spare, or the time off work.

I don't know where you live, but here in commifornia, you have to have an ID to get a job

But to my point above, I didn't know anyone who could drive me. If there's a will, there's a way

But now imagine that there isn't. Because that's the thing with urban planning: it's not just the fact that they closed the local DMV, it's also that there's no busses, there are no mechanics even if you did have a car, gas is difficult And expensive to get.... there's a long list of things that seem solvable to you BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A NEIGHBOURHOOD WHERE A SOLUTION EXISTS.

And there is a reason why there are places where they don't. And that's really the deeper point people are getting at, if you'll listen to them instead of lecturing them.

I haven't heard a single person say "I cannot get an ID"

Driving is a privilege not a right. It requires skill to learn how to drive and money to pay for everything. Voting is the whole basis for a democracy. You can't compare them unless you like vote suppression, if so go move to north Korea.

You dont need to know how to drive to get an ID. You need a birth certificate, proof or residency, and $13

Yes, voting is a right, but only in the voting district where you live and only if you’re old enough. An ID validates those requirements have been met.

Hmm having ID isn't the issue it's the gop making the requirements so ridiculous just to make voting difficult if not impossible. Just one example

You’re spouting off generalizations without any context. How exactly are the requirements so difficult/impossible for minorities? Let’s see an actual example.

Sorry, I'm just so unfamiliar with a supposed conservative supporter make a coherent request for information, it's quite baffling - unless you just happen to be an articulate troll

So, you don’t have an answer, eh?