We hear you. We hear you All The Time, 24 unrelenting hours a day. We just disagree with the lunacy.

That is exactly how I feel. I hate it when I see Liberal content in moves and TV shows when entertainment is supposed to cater to all. I hate seeing in classes as they presumed that it is high time for the majority to hear the other side. I see it on the streets, on walls, billboards, etc.

Do you think we like seeing that also? This is America. We fought a war against them. What are they doing here?

You fought a war against us and even we don´t like to see them.
Greetings from Germany

I think the majority of Germans during the Nazi occupation didn't like them either.

You still have them, though. So do we, unfortunately. <sigh>

The left thinks we're Nazis because the media tells them we're Nazis. They don't think for themselves so they regurgitate the same dookie over and over.

Newsflash: You have white supremacists in your party.

And you have Marxists and racists in yours. BLM, ANTIFA, Black Panthers, NBA, NFL, big corporations, social networks, "mainstream" media... What's your point?

You said the left thinks you're nazis because the media tells us so. No you have actual nazis in your party. That's a fact that you all keep trying to deny and ignore. THAT was my point.

I'm not denying anything of the sort. And most of the KKK are right wing extremists, but that doesn't negate the fact the left wing has evil people as well. And you all keep denying it. You keep saying BLM is a group who fight for justice when that isn't true. Go to their website and see what they really want. They're Marxists who want to overthrow the very fabric of this country.

News flash: you have black supremists in your party. The difference: Republicans disavow the racists while you encourage & embrace them.

GTFOH with that bullshit! XD

when did we ever defend them dumb f*ggot

Many have been doing it here for years.

First off I am member of the Constitution Party. I am not a Republican. Second, So does the Democrats. White supremacy is not a political ideology. They are in every party. And there are more of them who are Democrats than in any other party.

Stop being brainwashed to believe they are only in one party. Instead of attacking someone else's house clean up your own house first.

Seriously, you guys need to stop with the denials already...

I am not denying that there are white supremacists in the Republican party. I am not denying there are white supremacist in the Democrat party. I am not denying there are white supremacists in every party.

What I am denying is just because they exist that means I am one. Or just because there are some of the Republican party that the entire party is all white supremacists.

They exist in the Democrat party and Democrats are more racist than any Republican but you won't recognize that. You think you are superior (liberal supremacists) and pure. Think again.

The Democrat party is completely obsessed with race. So much so that they have become their worst enemy. They stand in direct opposition to MLK's dream. They are forced critical race theory into our schools and that is nothing buy hatred against whites. You just cannot say you are opposed to racial hatred and then hate white people.

Your cancel culture has gotten so bad that what was considered anti-racist 10 years ago is not considered racist. I really do not understand how you guys could even get more self-destructive but every day you surprise me even more.

You keep trying to say they're Democrats. Just stop. The KKK and the Neo-Nazis, collectively, are Republican. They're MAGA hat wearing Trumpers. And honestly, no one cancels like Republicans do. You started with Kaepernick and it's just been one after another since.

They look like frat boys carrying Tiki torches singing some song in front of some college building that is NOT the Capitol building. I don't see a MAGA hat in the crowd.

Why did you pick this photo to make your point? Is it because there are only white people in the picture and you wanted to make some racist point?

and how many of these guy in the country are there?

Yeah, then you think were marxists because your news that you watch. I don’t think normal people on the right are Nazis, only well the people on the far right, and well would you look at that, I’m a left centrist.

BLM are Marxists. Go to their web page and they'll tell you themselves. I don't get my info from others when it's right on their page.

Where is this exactly? Send a link because I couldn’t exactly find this information.

It's right on their page: gonna call you on that. The founders are socialists, I think, but so what?
Henry Ford was an anti-Semite. Just because they believe one thing doesn't invalidate something else they believe.

Except they don't believe their so-called message. That isn't their goal. Marxism is their goal, not protecting black lives.

How do you figure that?

Good point

You would need to ask Republicans that.

Yeah, I’m surprised there isn’t a video around somewhere of Americans proudly waving old Glory coming to beat the shit outta the Nazi f**kers and ripped up the Nazi’s flag while they were at it.

I don't see that every day.

Same thing with designated survivor, Netflix ruined it with their agenda.

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lunacy? You still think this is just bipartisan politics? So did the Jews when Hitler took over. You really don't see it, do you? The systematic takeover of your nation? And you're all just sitting there playing victimhood and allowing it.

Upvote.
I want to watch movies and TV shows to relax, not to be spoonfed.

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Ah, yes, in America, where the conservatives are more prevalent than anywhere else. 10/10 definetly.

Yes there are more of us but you certainly wouldn't know it from the media, our schools and social media. Your minority dominates everything.

You want to know why there are more of us? Because conservatives are less inclined to murder their unborn babies. You guys are simply aborting yourselves out of existence. And then there are those who discover economics, logic, reason and freedom and find that they are in the wrong political party.

If there were more of you we wouldn't have won the House, the Senate, and the Executive branches. You're so obsessed with Trump you don't see how he has destroyed the Republican party and a lot of his supporters' lives.

I am the last person you can accuse of being "obsessed with Trump". I'm a member of the Constitution Party, I'm not a Republican.

The only way you guys can keep the power that you so very much crave is through voter fraud. You've been doing it for decades. This last time you guys went nuts trying to keep Trump out and you got real sloppy.

So where's the proof? What proof have you seen that 40 judges - not 5 or 10 but 40 - have dismissed? Whatever party you claim to be with, you sound like a Trumper because you believe all his lies. The last two presidents who cheated, the only ones who have ever been accused of cheating, won the electoral vote but lost the popular vote. Trump knows he lost fair and square and that's why he tried to get his sheep to coup. Disgusting.

I've been watching Dems cheat in every election since I can remember. Trump didn't need to tell me that the Dems stole the election from him. Even with the small amount of evidence that was available when the judges ignored the cases was enough proof. More and more proof just keeps flooding in as time goes by and more research is done.

Biden was installed as president, not elected. There are some real global power players with tons of cash who needed a puppet. That is how you silence 40 judges.

Literally all proven recent cases of voter fraud have been Republican. Not to mention voter suppression.
There's no evidence at all that Democrats rig elections.

You have to be completely ignoring everything to say there is no evidence. I imagine the Republicans have committed voter fraud but never at the scale the Dems commit it. If there was any in this last election clearly it wasn't much at all because for one it really wasn't necessary because of Trump's popularity. Trump won in a landslide and Dems cheated in a bigger landslide.

There's still no evidence at all of Democratic voter fraud.
And Trump's literally never been popular.

You don't live in America. The American left wing media is who reports to world news media sources. My friend who lives in Australia asked me on FB about Trump during the 2016 elections because all he ever heard was bad on the Australian news. Me and a few others explained to him who Trump was and what he stood for. I think my friend already didn't trust the Aussie press but after that he paid no attention to them.

The media in Australia and America (and probably everywhere else) is so jaded and bias. You cannot trust anything you hear on the news. Nothing. The weather report is more accurate.

Trump got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016 and more votes than any other president in the history of this nation. Yet we are told to believe that a senile old man who never campaigned and stayed out of the public view most of his campaign some how got more votes than Trump? Biden, the few times he gave a campaign speech could only get about 10 people to show up.

Biden's campaign was an absolute joke. ALL of the polls had Trump beating Biden by a large majority. When the counting started Trump was easily stomping all over Biden. The the counting stopped. Something that has never ever happened before. When it resume miraculously Biden jump ahead of Trump. It was such and obvious switch that in many polling places the numbers were switched exactly. So if Trump was ahead of Biden by 6,736 votes before the counting stopped when it started up Biden was ahead of Trump by 6,736 votes.

In some polling places the numbers were going all wonky, going up and down for Biden and Trump. And a few periods of time Trump had negative votes. For the first time ever in any election in anywhere in the world a candidate had a negative vote count. Not just a statistical improbability but an impossibility. Votes are additive and it is impossible that they ever would go negative. So how did that happen with Trump?

The reason the counting stopped all around the country is that the polling places that used electronic voting machines had to have their algorithms re-written because Trump was just getting too many votes for the old algorithm to fix the vote for Biden.

None of what I said was speculation or conjecture. It is all verifiable facts. Facts that no one on the left will address other to say that it didn't happen.

I don't care how many times the denial is repeated or how authoritarian the denial is the facts remain.

Every single poll showed Biden winning, idiot. There were literally no impossible numbers or results. There is no evidence of tampering.
And Trump literally lies about EVERYTHING.

Wrong!!!

Just a fact.

The states literally didn't stop counting.

Excruciatingly wrong!!!!

Nice self description. Debunked.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/facebook-posts/battleground-states-did-not-stop-counting-votes-el/

Pretty much nothing in your comment is fact.

At this point I think you are here just to disagree with anything I say. I didn't realize I was talking to a troll. So If I said the sky is blue you would reply that it is green or some color other than blue.

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The "we have proof" and then pretending the proof is so obvious that you don't have to show us is hilarious. There isn't just Left Wing media. There is OAN, NewsMax, FoxNews, etc.

If there was cheating, then point out evidence. If Trump won, the we deserve what we get.

Do you know why there was no cheating? Because we couldn't conceive of anybody being dumb enough to vote for Trump again. The fact that it was even close was a shock. Democrats didn't cheat. Even if they wanted to and were willing, they didn't think they needed to.

The Republican insistence that they only lose because of cheating has worried me for a while. People who think they are being cheated are willing to cheat. After all, the others are doing it. Well, here we are.

The Republican party. They love America but hate about 1/3 of the people in it. They love Democracy, but only when it goes their way. They love soldiers, unless they testify against Trump. They don't trust any source that tells them something they don't already believe.

Every time I have posted a link to proof everyone has come back and disparaged the people involved. Mike Lindell put out 2 excellent videos proving voter fraud but just the mention of his name brings ridicule from the left. Lindell was just the messenger. Other people did the research and now Lindell is counter suing Dominion and he is about to drop the bomb on them. You can ridicule Lindell all you want but the proof remains unchanged and he is not the only one who has shown voter fraud.

So what are we supposed to do? We have lead the horse to the water but the horse refused to acknowledge the water exists.

You actually think people who voted for Trump where dumb? Have you looked at Joe Biden? Do you even have a clue what your side did by putting him in office? He is a bigger nightmare than Obama was. Obama tried to collapse the economy. Biden was installed to actually collapse the economy.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but I did in 2020. I guess that makes me a major moron in your book and yet you started this conversation with me so that would make you even a bigger moron than me. And no, I am not calling you a moron or trying to impugn your character. I'll leave that for the leftists who routinely call me and others like me idiots.

Maybe try looking at it from a different perspective. Even if voter fraud didn't happen, the response from the left has been flimsy at best. It is just to brush those who clearly see it off as crazy. Think about what that does to voter confidence going forward? Why should I ever vote again if I think that there is no point in it? You want to talk about how to destroy democracy, try killing voter confidence.

I cannot speak for the Republicans because there are those who hate 100% of everyone else and they can be found in all political parties. Misanthropic narcissism is not a political ideology, it is a mental illness.

But I can speak for myself. I only hate ideologies, not the people who espouse them. I do not hate people who look different than me just because they look different than me. I don't think people who look different than me are inferior, especially when I have met and know of a lot of them who are a 1,000 times smarter than I am. One of the greatest minds of our times is a black man named Thomas Sowell. He is in his 80's now and he is still smarter than anyone that I know of in this country.

Voting for Trump = dumb. I may have misspoken. I do think people who voted for Trump after everything are seeing what they want to see. I hesitate to say deluded, but after 4+ years of calling all negative news FakeNews, I don't know what to think. I've got plenty of things I would criticize Biden for. I'm pretty happy with his job thus far, but not about everything.

putting him in office - I get confused, is Biden a do-nothing democrat who didn't change anything for 50 years, or is he a radical leftist who will be burning the system to the ground? Biden is basically a good guy. A lot of his ideas are dated and he sometimes gets tongue tied, but nobody is perfect.

Obama tried to collapse the economy...what? Obama took over after the housing bubble and the bailouts that were part of the budget approved before he took office. When he handed off to Trump the economy was in great shape and the debt had been paid down to slightly lower than when he took office. But please educate me.

You actually think that Democrats are trying to destroy the country? Seriously? its one thing to think them misguided, but actual malice?

Moron - no.. Willfully ignorant perhaps. I think you've fallen pray to propaganda. I keep waiting for people to snap out of it, but hope is getting thin.

I'm a moron for arguing with you...but you aren't actually calling me a moron. Well, the case could be made. But I do so enjoy debate. you don't learn anything if you don't engage with people who believe things you don't.

Even if voter fraud didn't happen - Sorry, but it isn't up to me to prove that fraud didn't occur. I'm afraid the burden of proof lies with the accuser. There have been numerous manual recounts and Trump lawyers admitted in court they had no evidence. Bill Barr admitted there was no evidence of widespread fraud. Every 'smoking gun' I've seen has turned out to be edited or misrepresented.

Trumps lawyer Sidney Powell was sued by dominion and her defense was "No reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact" - , no reasonable person should believe the fraud claims. That's her defense.

Voter confidence...I'm sorry but facts are facts. Suspicion of fraud isn't evidence of fraud. If you are disenfranchised by suspicions you can't prove that is sad. If your response is to not vote... I mean to be honest, whatever. I live in a red state and know my vote won't really count and I always vote.

Watch this: https://youtu.be/dEYvOTvqlFs

Everytime a link? you never posted a link. I have posted links. And you voted for Trump. Exactly. That's where you went wrong.

*all he ever heard was bad for wacko's like him and you.

"Senile" says the person who hates wearing masks and who thinks COVID and climate change are democratic hoaxes. No, I agree, Biden didn't campaign much. He had the sense not to. We are in a pandemic. Wake up, and watch some good news for once. Stop watching Fox. And Biden just campaigned safely. Not even no campaigning. Stop and smell reality.

Before you put your COVID infected words in my mouth why don't you ask me what I think.

So your even more of a wacko. And no, the Democrats did not steal the election. The Republicans have been gerrymandering and suppressing every time. Your argument is stupid and unfactual.

Yeah, we're in the minority... that's rich. That's why the Democrats are desperately trying to allow the invasion of Democrat voters ... uh, I mean, "poor and victimized immigrants" into the country illegally.

More illegals come via plane. In fact, Trump towers was hosting birth tourism from Russia the entire time he was in office. I guess illegals are only ok if they have white skin, eh?

Wow, you're not too bright. You'll fall for anything it seems.

Mrs Trump would disagree with you.

Is that why you try to limit voting? Because you're in the majority?

You think it's about limiting voting?

Let me guess, you're one of those who think having to show ID to vote is racist, right?

Typical. Your sole response.

Which response would you rather I make?

Try not to pretend ID is the only suppression tactic, for one.

No, that's Reagan's logic. And Bush, and Bush Jr when he wanted to grant amnesty to ten million.

While I don't recall GHWB saying it, his son and Reagan both openly stated that doing so would instantly grant their party all these new citizens as new members.

People vote as they will, not by ethnicity or gratitude or even party, for that matter, or do you truly no comprende this , 'Chad'?

Ah, yes, the people that won't save other people from COVID and don't take vaccines. 10/10 smart. And, like 90% of people in the US are conservative. As you are American, everyone who is even slightly centrist is labelled as left-wing. I live in Canada, where we have sense.

The standard I use to determine if someone is right, left or centrist is how much they think about the issues. The less a person thinks and the more the follow the TV then they are a leftist. Because they want stuff like free universal healthcare, free college, minimum wage increases and the think everyone who is not 100% like them is a Nazi.

A centrist is someone who just doesn't want to offend anyone so they agree somewhat with both sides but don't have any opinions of their own. They tend to lean left because TV.

A conservative supports freedom, morality and the U.S. Constitution. They are horrified at how much freedom we have lost and we want it back.

The left does not care about freedom. They would sell their grandmother for free stuff from the government. They cannot comprehend that when the government gives you anything they first have to take much, much, much more than they give. That when the government takes over any private industry prices skyrocket and quality goes down. Like those extra long healthcare waiting lines you Canadians get to enjoy while you are dying.

Well that's a fun made up definition of Left, right, center. The terms actually come from the French revolution. People who sat to the right of the King in parliament were loyalists and conservatives. Those who sat to the left supported the revolution. Centrists are sometimes people who can't make up their mind. I'll give you that one.

Free stuff and judgmental. Well, judgmental exists on both sides. Free stuff...that's now how taxes work. To assume that people vote only selfishly if they agree with the left is judgmental and would only be stated by someone who never bothered to look at both sides of the issues. You can disagree with someone without being insulting.

Universal healthcare//Single Payer is the gold standard the world over. Other countries pay less than us and get more. No medical bankruptcies. No worrying when you switch jobs.

I make a very good living and most of the liberal 'free stuff" things aren't going to directly help me. Depending on which calculator you look at, I would have paid either $2000 less or $4000 more a year under Medicare For all. But the good that could come of it for the US as a whole would be worth my personal costs going up. Free College - I already paid for mine, but look at other countries that have free college. I worry that in a global economy those countries are going to end up being better educated and are going to steal our lunch. A better educated workforce is a flexible workforce. We will never be able to compete with China and countries willing to open up sweatshops on unskilled labor. Its best to make the education to become skilled labor available as both college and trade schools.

People who disagree are Nazis. i personally think that only actual Nazis are Nazis. That said Trump did rely on some of the same Nationalist tropes that Nazis used. A lot of the international 'globalist conspiracy' stuff is stolen from "the international Jew".

Freedoms the Conservatives have lost...like what?

You asked what freedoms we have lost? You are promoting that we abandon competition in the market place for healthcare and going with a government monopoly.

We already have had a significant loss in our private property rights. If I buy a house, live in it long enough to pay off the mortgage or if I was rich enough to pay cash for the house if I don't pay property taxes the government will kick me out of the house. One of the reasons why I can never own my property is so that the city, county or state government can tell me what I can or cannot do on the land I "own". I can buy a rural property and decide I want to raise cattle but of the county government says my land is not zoned for that I cannot raise cattle. Most people on the left brush that off because they live in the big city but they should at least be aware they can never full own their property.

In New York City they passed a law that if I don't refer to someone by their preferred pronoun I can be fined a huge fine. If I just met you then how am I supposed to know what your preferred pronoun is, let alone know that you are living in some fantasy world.

Nationalism was not the problem with Nazism. Socialism and Hitler are what was wrong with Nazi Germany. The opposition to nationalism arose out of the right seeing the left constantly hate on the US. So the left pulled nationalism out of Nazi and then made it a bad thing. Nationalism is NOT a system of government. Nationalism is just pride on ones country. Just like anything that pride can be taken to extremes but the pride that all Americans used to have, and now just the right has; is not anywhere close to that extreme, nor is it a bad thing. The right fully understands all of the bad things that have happened in the US but we also recognize all of the great things that happened here. The left just has nothing but contempt for this country and cannot see the good.

The Dems want to through the baby out with the bath water. They want to destroy the Constitution and the history of this country by calling it all bad. I don't know what the opposite of nationalism is but whatever that word is the left has already taken it to the extreme.

Government monopoly - no, Medicare for all would be a single payer insurance system. There is currently no proposition to put something like the NHS in place and make the doctors government employees. The system stays as is, but your insurance is the government. So no competition amongst insurance providers but doctors, hospitals, clinics, etc. could still compete on service, quality, and if they cut costs and still maintained required quality they would make more profit.

Property taxes and zoning? "When the first comprehensive census of governments was taken in 1902, property taxes comprised 73 percent of all revenues collected by local governments."

Zoning...I don't have a particular opinion on this one. I can see where you might get angry if you owned property and zoning was changed, but if you are buying land based on existing zones, I don't feel like its an issue. Imminent domain is and always has been a thing. I don't know that the left brushes that off so much as has no opinion on it one way or the other. Zoning is generally going to be a local law and fall under state laws unless I'm missing something. That wouldn't exactly be a big government issue, especially in rural areas.

Preferred pronouns in NY - I don't live there and wasn't aware of that law. Is this the one? https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page#1
Looking it up, it is limited to the scope of existing discrimination laws - you can't discriminate based on gender identity. The scope is limited to employment (hire/promote/fire), providers of public accommodations (I'm assuming public restrooms and the like), and housing. It is not aimed at individuals going about their daily lives and it has not associated fine or penalty. A quick fact check identifies that there is a meme citing a $250,000 fine, but no such fine exists.

"Asking someone in good-faith for their name and gender pronouns is not a violation of the NYCHRL."

Gender isn't sex and no amount of mockery and calling it a fantasy world will change that. If someone told me they were 'born again' and I mocked them for not actually having been physically born a second time then I'm intentionally misunderstanding the intent. Sex is biological, gender is related to roles in society. These are the definitions of these words and feelings don't change that. And given the amount of harassment people receive over being trans, why would they make it up?

Government is always a monopoly. If the government manages the insurance and you do not prefer their insurance then you are out of luck. You either pay in full out of pocket or you're stuck with crappy healthcare.

Several years ago I read about a medical clinic in America that decided that they would offer their patients all of the services they provide, including prescriptions and all the patients would have to pay is $75 per month. The big insurance companies ran to the government and told them to stop this clinic because they are a medical clinic and not an insurance company. The government made them stop.

That is the problem with government. The free market found a better solution than the bloated health insurance companies and the government shut it down.

The free market always benefits the consumer. Governments do not.

Free the markets and you free the people. Free the people and you free the markets. The Market does not need the government and neither do the people. Governments are parasites who are only good at stealing, killing and enslaving and nothing else.

So, the free market found a better solution and then a company compelled the government to enforce laws that they probably paid politicians to write.

For a billion dollar industry, writing laws and paying your politicians to enact them is just a good investment. That is also the problem with full free market. Its a power vacuum. If the government solution hadn't worked big pharma would have crushed them another way. Guy them out and shut them down, offer cheaper services until they go out of business, etc.

the free market is perfect and everything else is without value is a weak argument and is contradicted by evidence.

Nationalism can be a source of pride, and is not necessarily bad. However I prefer patriot. A patriot loves his country, but not at the expense of others or with the expectation of unquestioning loyalty. I should have been clear that the concern is with ultranationalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalism
Ultranationalism tends to turn into xenophobia. They are coming here to take our jobs. They come here to turn our country into the one they left. They aren't real Americans and should go back where they came from. They, they, they.

If a Liberal said Make America Great Again, we would be accused of saying America isn't great. And told "if you don't love it, get out." It is an us vs them mentality and it isn't good for anyone in the long run. It tribal and not all Americans are in the tribe. Conservatives have convinced themselves that Liberals hate America, and I'm sorry, but most of us don't. We see the flaws and want to fix them. We talk about past mistakes so they don't get made again.

The left can't see the good - says you. As a country, we have made some horrible mistakes, but so have other countries.

I come from a pretty conservative family and they look at any acknowledgement of bad things as liberal revision. The civil war wasn't about slavery...the hell it wasn't. Each state intentionally mentioned it in their articles of secession. The Tulsa Race Massacre/black wall street. Segregation. But most of these stories have heroes too. Why are there only statues of Confederate soldiers? Why aren't there statues of their brothers who supported the Union? But pointing out that those statues were erected well after the war, and most of them during times when the Civil rights movement was making progress isn't something anyone wants to talk about.

Yes there was slavery, but eventually we voted to end it. Women got the vote. Gays can marry. Progress is slow but it is constant.

Throw the baby out with the bathwater? Like overthrowing an election? I'm not saying you or the majority of Republicans were part of that, but it is what it is and that wasn't the left.

Unpopular opinion: Most of congress are good people who want to help and do good. But the system is broken and the amount of money it takes to win an election is enormous. Term limits would be like changing NASCAR drivers. The sponsors wouldn't change. We need to eliminate big money and implement ranked choice voting so people can realistically vote for a third party.

This is how the left always takes things to the extreme. Conservatives are patriotic therefore the left must call them nationalists just like Nazis. The right must also be xenophobic. And to prove that they set out to grossly exaggerate anything the right says.

Like how we are xenophobic because we think that people immigrating illegally are taking American jobs. That is partially true and I don't understand how you can deny that. But what is also true is cases of the plague and other illnesses which had long been eradicated in the US are showing up again. Then there is the law. If you don't like our sovereignty laws then why doesn't the left just come right out and campaign to repeal those laws. Then you can disband the border patrol altogether. That way anyone coming to America no longer needs to hire coyotes to bring them across the border. They can take any form of transportation they want. They don't have to go through customs at the airport.

Just make it a great big free for all.

Because the right, first and foremost, is concerned about the law we get called xenophobes. If my mother-in-law didn't legally immigrate from Mexico to the US then I either wouldn't have a wife or I would be married to someone else. I am happy that my mother-in-law came to America because I truly love my wife and can't imagine my life without her. My father-in-law was born in the US and has a similar ancestry as mine. In other words mine and his ancestors immigrated to the USA before there was a USA and mostly came from the UK.

You have to understand that the left greatly embellishes the bad things about America. So your conservative family is right. The left dwells on the negative. You can see it in the movies and TV shows. Every time there is a show about the early United States they must show blacks being treated as awful as humanly possible. Never mind the fact that not every slave owner beat their slaves nearly to death. It was only a minority of the more sadistic slave owners that did that. Many times there was a more amicable relationship (non sexual) between slaves and slave owner. But just saying that the left automatically assumes I or anyone else who thinks that way is pro-slavery or thinks that slavery was wonderful. Nothing could be further from the truth. Slavery is the very reason why I opposed the left because socialism is slavery. The only difference is it is not a private individual, it is the government who claims ownership.

The right started calling themselves nationalists. I remember when it started happening and I called an uncle out on it. He literally told me “I’m not a white nationalist, I’m a nationalist who is white”. It is a fair distinction, but why did conservatives start using a word that is associated with Nazis and extremists to label himself? The fear of extremists isn’t just exaggeration. It comes from a place of genuine concern. I’m sure if you had asked the average American before WWII if he thought Japanese Americans would end up on concentration camps, they would have said no. Certain attitudes and rhetoric are of great concern to those of us with an interest in history.
The demonization of all Muslims. A Muslim travel ban that blocked countries the state department had identified as low risk while not banning countries it identified as higher risk. You will not replace us. Vilifying refugees. Blatant exaggeration of the criminality of immigrants. The belief in an international conspiracy to destroy America. These are Xenophobia.
I can relate on the exaggeration angle. Border security - A wall is a dumb solution. Expensive and unlikely to be effective. I suggest a combination of aerostats, drones, and patrols to identify people entering illegally. As far as people already here: Reagan gave a speech where he said regardless of how they got here, if they were law abiding while here he wanted to grant them citizenship. I have a similar attitude.
Making slavery look worse than it was - It wasn’t that bad? People were livestock. Plantations had so many more slaves than whites that they lived in constant fear of uprising and were ruthless in crushing any signs of rebellion. Yeah, it was that bad. There may have been cases where it wasn’t, but I’m not sure the historical record bears that out.
Beating of slaves was the standard. As an example: https://www.monticello.org/slavery/slavery-faqs/property/
“Were people at Monticello physical beaten? Yes. People at Monticello were physically beaten. Several overseers had a reputation for cruelty and violence: Gabriel Lilly, William Page, and William McGeehee”
Socialism is slavery – I’m sure it can be, but slavery exists under capitalism as well. A democratic government, not the economic system.is key to freedom. But if you are calling all Canadians, English, Germans, etc. who have the social programs we want slaves, then we are just going to have to disagree on what that means.

You are hanging out with some different kind of people on the right. I have never called myself nor have I ever heard anyone else call themselves a nationalist. I never even thought about calling myself a nationalist and I seriously have never ever heard any conservative call themself a nationalist. That word wasn't even my vocabulary. It was only in the past, maybe, 5 years at most that the left started calling us that. My first thought is the left is trying to make nationalist the bad word so you won't notice the word right after nationalist in the acronym NAZI or the lesser called NASDAP acronym for the National Socialist German Workers Party. Of course both acronyms are for the German words for National Socialist German Worker's Party.

I have heard conservatives call themselves patriots. They do that all the time. There probably isn't any difference in the meaning of the two words. What might even makes that somewhat scary is now the Nazis referred to Germany as the "father land". Patriot comes from the Latin, "pater" which means "father".

I think the idea of putting Japanese, German and Italian Americas in concentration camps was FDR's ides. He was a malignant narcissist and had no problem with messing with people's lives. Like how he confiscated everyone's gold or took the dollar off the gold standard just to see what would happen before putting the dollar back on the gold standard. Or in an idiotic attempt at keeping pork prices higher he ordered pig farmers to slaughter, in some cases, all of their pigs. Yeah it kept bacon prices high for about 10 minutes but then the pig farmers went broke because they had no more pigs to sell.

Putting Japanese, German and Italians in internment camps did not bother FDR in the slightest because he just didn't care about anyone but himself.

Muslims have demonized themselves. The Quran commands Muslims to murder the unbeliever in several places. Ever since the days of Mohammad, Islam has declared holy war on all unbelievers. Muslims were attacking our merchant marines from the very beginning of the USA. They are the reason why our Marines are called "leathernecks". The merchant marines (the predecessors to the Marines) would wear leather bands around their necks to stop the Muslims Barbary pirates from decapitating them.

There are a lot of Muslims who believe that there is no sin in raping unbelieving women and children. Because of Europe's importing of Muslims in droves about the same time Obama starting importing unvetted Muslims in droves into this country, Swedish women were getting raped by Muslim men. 1 in 4 Swedish women were raped by Muslims. Germany had almost as high number of rapes. And this all started after whomever it was who gave the order for Europe and America to start importing Muslims.

All Trump did was to try to spare America the same fate. Rapes had already started to increase here. Not to mention that many of those coming to America were between the ages of 18 and 30 are were single males. That sounded like an army more than refugees. Muslims have no great love for this country or Europe. They mostly refer to America as the Great Satan and Israel as the Little Satan.

I am not saying all Muslims hate America and want to murder the unbeliever. In fact about 75% of a Muslims would make great neighbors and would never kill or rape anyone. The problem is that there are about 1.5 Billion Muslims. That makes the 25% who would kill and rape about the size of the population of the United States. That is a lot of people who believe that Allah is telling them to murder, rape, enslave and torture people. Also about half of all Muslims support that 25% who want to obey Allah's commandments to murder, rape, enslave and torture people.

So the real question is why does the left ignore all of that? Who told them to support these butchers? Was it the same people who told all of the European nations and the US to start taking in Muslims without first vetting them to make sure they weren't coming here to murder us?

And just why is the left so in love with a religion that openly murders gays for being gays and treats women worse than dogs and still enslaves Africans? You guys HATE with a passion Christians and Jews. Christians are commanded by God to love everyone.

Bs propaganda. I was in Kuwait for work a few years ago around Easter - the hotel I was in had an Easter egg hunt. I was talking to my coworkers there more permanently and they said “you should see the malls here decorated for Christmas.” It was surprising.

I’m not Muslim, but I’m the type to go look when people site a source. The Quran considers Christians and Jews to be believers (people of the book), so even were the line about finding/killing nonbelievers not taken out of context (a story where a group was burning and pillaging the countryside), it doesn’t apply to Christians.

Honestly, Mehdi Hassan did a fantastic job at a debate at the Oxford Union of making the point. https://youtu.be/Jy9tNyp03M0

There have been others.

There are obviously groups who use religion for political gain, (not exclusive to Islam) but the Quran itself prohibits the harming of civilians, the elderly, or children. It says that faith can never be forced. If an enemy asks for peace you must accept because God loves the merciful. If they are asking in bad faith, that's on them. Suicide is also forbidden so suicide bombers are doubly forbidden. I could go on.

Some jackass claimed to declare holy war on all Christians. Islam doesn't have a pope or Central leader who can declare holy war like that. 1/4 of the world is Muslim. We have allies among Muslim countries.

Vetting Muslims. We vet People the same regardless of faith. See the first amendment. You could argue that only applies to citizens, but it still applies as a core principle.

Honestly, I’m glad to live in a country with a first amendment that separates church and state. Extremists and religious fundamentalists are always scary. See this Knoxville, TN police officer and pastor calling for the execution of homosexuals. https://youtu.be/a0pxfhVYCXU

So, I’m not in love with Muslims, but as mentioned, I get concerned when rhetoric that sounds a whole lot like the anti-Semitic propaganda leading up to WWII. That wasn’t just nazis. It was everywhere. Finding out about what happened in concentration camps snapped most of the world out of that, but now we know where dehumanizing people can lead.

All attempt to judge groups based on faith will be rejected. individuals get judged as individuals.

2013-2018 1/4 of the rape convicts were North African and Afghan (probably Muslim). This was a total of 197 cases. Not 1/4 of Swedish women. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

I also think the wall is not one of the better solutions. The best solution is to make it very hard to employ or keep employed illegal aliens and actually enforce those laws. If you discourage the reason why most are illegally immigrating then illegal immigration stops. Then those who are already hear will go home at about the same rate as the got here. That is important because if they all left at the same time it would collapse the economy.

If they want citizenship then they should apply for it just like all of the legal immigrants. It may surprise you but not all of them want to be US citizens. Some do and some don't. Sometimes they don't want to be citizens because they don't want to lose their citizenship in their home countries.

"Making slavery look worse than it was - It wasn’t that bad?" I can see why you might think that is what I was saying but it wasn't. What I was saying is that it was not the extremes the media took it to. Yes it was all bad. There is nothing at all redeeming about one person thinking they own another. Which is exactly why I oppose socialism, fascism, Nazism and communism. No man and no government can ever claim the right to own another person. That violates the inalienable rights of the individual. The loss of liberty is worse than the loss of life. Liberty is the most valuable right we possess.

I apologize if I wasn't clear on that. But that is another point. If I say that slavery was horrifying for some and for others it wasn't as bad then I am accused of being 100% in favor of slavery. That has to end right now. It is the truth I support not slavery. I don't march in lockstep with a narrative. That is one of the reasons why I left the Republican party. I am still a conservative but I don't automatically think Republican good, Democrat bad. Now I think Republicans sometimes do good things and sometimes do bad things. Democrats mostly do bad things but about once a decade they do something right.

Socialism IS slavery. There is no possibility about it. No private property ownership is exactly what blacks had under slavery. If you do not own your life, your labor or anything else then you are 100% dependent and 100% a slave to someone else.

Capitalism thrives on freedom of the individual, all individuals. Slavery can and did exist in a capitalistic economy but it is not related or a part of capitalism. Capitalism is just an economic system that requires individual freedom of the consumer.

100% agree about businesses. Punishing people seeking a better life and jobs is a losing proposition and not an effective deterrent. People will clearly risk everything to have a better life. If businesses really can’t function without that labor force then we need to talk about more work visas or something.

You can have dual citizenship.

Read an article talking about hot historical people came over, worked a bit, went home. Increased border security decreased the going back part because they fear they won’t be able to get back here if needed. I’m not advocating for anything here, just an interesting side effect.

I don’t think you support slavery. a lot of people who deny racism or think it’s exaggerated, or slavery wasn’t as bad as depicted are naive. They wouldn’t intentionally discriminate or be cruel to someone, so they assume others are the same. We would all prefer to believe that our ancestors were good people, and many were. But obviously not all. When younger, I thought racism was much less pervasive than it is, because I thought of it as the big things and assumed people would abandon racist views if they were pointed out to them. Naive.

I can understand fiscal conservative, but social conservative - nah.

Nobody wants 100% socialism. We want a stronger social safety net. We are lagging behind what other countries have. I truly worry that mortality aside we are going to find that tech jobs that can be done anywhere are going to go to countries with free college and healthcare because from a business perspective you’ve got better educated healthier people.

I want single player because I’ve done my research and it is more efficient with better overall outcomes. It isn’t perfect, but there is a reason we are the only major country where less than 99% of our population lacks medical coverage. There are countries where a regulated free market approach has led to universal coverage. They aren't quite as cost effective, but better than what we've got. The ACA was an attempt to do that. Republicans keep nerfing the compromises and claiming they didn't work. So fine, we'll go for the better solution we should have gone for anyway.

We want the same programs other free non-enslaved countries have. 100+ years of all social progress being called socialism has removed the impact of the accusation. I don't want an end to personal property or for all business to be state owned. But I'm also not against a mixed economy.

Nationalist has been a bad word for a long time. I think the alt right who has a lot of traditionally white power groups decided to own it and try to redefine it. As far as calling conservatives nationalist... again, you guys are ticking off boxes. Honestly, Trump ran in isolationist rhetoric and a lot of that is nationalist in origin or at least nationalist parallel.

FDR- I truly don’t get the conservative obsession with past leaders. I think it’s why a lot of conservatives see talking about mistakes from our past as some sort of attack. We are one nation. Japanese camps happened. The trail of tears happened. I have zero idea where my ancestors stood on these issues and it doesn’t matter anyway.

The Iraq war- low estimate is +100,000 Iraqi deaths. Some of the higher estimates are near a million. No wmd’s found. I was against it...I think. I was like 22 then and didn’t pay as much attention as I do now. It doesn’t matter. We did it. I do not exclude myself from that. I don’t think “is that a red or a blue city that did that?”, because it doesn’t matter.

I was talking to someone about systemic racism once and he said “you know the mayor is a democrat and you are the real racists?” <I’m paraphrasing

My response: “So you agree that there is likely systemic racism in that city? Because I don’t care who you think caused it. If it’s there, it’s there.”

I vote Democrat because I’m progressive, not the other way around. I want my representatives to represent me, not the other way around. I’ll turn on any of them in a second. If the hand offends, cut it off.

If FDR did bad things, it doesn’t change the good things. And vice versa. Things change. Life is complicated. Our founders furthered the cause of freedom, and wrote beautiful laws that still serve us today. Some of them were also slave owners. Maybe some were worse. I really don’t know. Assuming somethings value is tied to its origin is called the generic fallacy. If a rapist cured cancer, we would still take the cure. We should also lock him up.

What I should have said is that the United States does not recognize any other citizenship. Our government doesn't prevent it by making you renounce either your US or you other citizenship. I have no idea what not recognizing means and what difference it would make if they did recognize your other citizenship.

I believe racism exists but not even close to as much as it is hyped up to be. The media seems committed to widening a divide between whites and blacks. It sell more news when there is conflict in our country. There is a political component also. Cultural Marxism.

Marx created a false dichotomy between the proletariat and bourgeoisie. The proletariat are the oppressed and the bourgeoisie are the oppressors. The bourgeoisie are the rich or the business owners and the proletariat are the poor and middle classes or the laborers. Marx needs this division to cause chaos and destruction of a nation so that he can implement his "solution". That division never fully happened in the US so they are now using race as the divider. And the media is hyping that divide because it benefits their ratings.

Meanwhile the country is being torn apart. And this why racism in this country is being over exaggerated. Not only that but, societally speaking, racism is not considered a worse crime than murder.

I would talk more but it's Saturday and I got yard work to do. Talk to ya later.

Cleaned my gutters and trimmed some trees yesterday myself.

Widening divide - news is business and sensationalism is a thing. There are news outlets that try, and ones who pander. But they report on what people want to know about. The market is saturated and enough people prefer confirmation of their beliefs vs accurate reporting that sources spinning everything are inevitable. I prefer npr and ap for news. Mix in a little bbc to get an outside perspective. Fox News for the counterpoint. While some bias is inevitable, msnbc intentionally leans into theirs like Fox leans to the right. CNN is generally accurate in content, but too polished and partisan in presentation. breitbart, oan, newsmax - where truth goes to die.

Tearing the country apart - if we can’t address racial inequality without being torn apart, then we stretch the Country I hope we are.

The BLM protests have been international and have been the largest protests in US history. I don’t believe people would have turned out line that for nothing.

Race as a divider - one race pointing out that individuals of another race have done something to them is not division. Deciding that ‘they’ are attacking ‘us’ when specific cases are brought up is divisive. Look at the mix of people at a BLM protest vs any counter protest. When any people close ranks and assume by default that accusations against the group they belong to are false, that is divisive.

"Tearing the country apart - if we can’t address racial inequality without being torn apart, then we stretch the Country I hope we are."

But what if the racial divide was fabricated and encouraged rather than something that exists because of racism? I really do not believe the racism in this country is even close to as bad as it is portrayed in the media.

I remember several years ago there was a fight between a Mexican kid and a black kid at a Southern California high school. The fight had nothing to do with race, it was just some sort of disagreement between the two. The media got a hold of the story and promoted it as racial tensions are high at this school. The only reason why that story made it in the news was specifically so to promote the racial divide angle. There are a gazillion high schools in the L.A. area and every high school at some point has a fight. If it is two white kids or two black kids or two Mexican kids you NEVER hear about that in the news.

That was just one example but does anyone think that the police officer that put his knee on Floyd's neck did that because he hated blacks? Are there examples of cops putting their knees on people's necks of other races, specifically white cops on a white guy's neck? YES!! In fact two white cops both put their knee on a white suspect's neck and they killed him also. No one is burning buildings because of that.

The media seldom if ever reports the facts that by a large percentage more whites are killed by cops than blacks. Nearly all killings the person the cop shot had a gun, regardless of race. But now it appears that if a white cop shoots a black woman while she is stabbing another black woman then that is called racism and is evil.

Far too much is made about race. I have seen actual racism against blacks but I believe it is rare. I have heard whites disparage Mexicans, blacks and just about everyone else, including other whites. I have heard black disparage other races. I have hear Mexicans disparage other races. Asians are real bad about it because they will disparage everyone who is not from their country.

So racism does happen and all races are guilty of it.

Even so I don't think it is the epidemic that it is reported to be. I think that the left and their cohorts in the media grossly exaggerate the claims. And only when it is white in opposition to everyone else or can be portrayed that way even if racism wasn't a factor.

It is a divide and conquer strategy.

I meant "then we *aren't* the Country I hope we are."

"what if the racial divide was fabricated and encouraged" - I suppose it's possible, but not likely. poc are incarcerated at a higher rates then other races. They have the highest rates of poverty except native Americans. Birthers claiming Obama isn't even American. Some (Trump) well after it was settled for all reasonable people. Every time someone is shot by a cop and instead of discussing the facts of the actual incident people obsess over past crimes. Policies like stop and frisk.

"does anyone think that the police officer that put his knee on Floyd's neck ..." I'm sure lot of people think that. I personally don't, but I also don't think it matters. I do believe he was guilty. Riots broke out after the DA said he didn't know if charges would be filled. Manslaughter on video and maybe no charges. I don't think there would have been either. This is what is meant by systemic racism. Even is no particular person did anything racist, the DA still believed even with the video he was unlikely to get a conviction of a white cop/black suspect. Like the value of black lives isn't very much. Like they don't matter. Could the same have happened to a white suspect? Maybe. But even if it's just a bad cop problem, POC are more impacted due to their statistically higher rate of interaction.

White people not burning buildings - in those cases were the cops tried? Was it in a public video? I know if only one case and the bodycam was suppressed by the cops for years. Plus, with POC these are catalysts to a community that feels under siege. Whether you believe that they are under attack, you should at least understand that they believe they are.

larger percentage more whites are killed by cops than blacks - no. (2019 numbers) black people are 12.2% of the population/ 235 shootings. Whites 60.1% and 370 shootings. If black people were shot at the same rate as white, they would have 76. Or if whites at the back rate, 1152.

The immediate response to hearing that a 16 year old girl was killed by cops was to assume the cops were in the wrong. That's where my instincts went and I don't apologize. After seeing the video, I think he was justified. And while some noise is still being made, it isn't a lot. Most agree with me (I think).

So racism does happen and all races are guilty of it. - I agree

It is a divide and conquer strategy - who? Why?

You "unpopular opinion" is not unpopular. You want to know how to solve the problem with corporations buying favors in our government? Simple. You return to the Constitution. There are two things that changed right around the same time in America. First was the 17th amendment which stopped the states from electing senators and put that responsibility on the voters. I am not 100% sure that this will change anything but if the states decide who their senators will be then perhaps there will be no point in corporate sponsorship.

The second came about because of logistics. The Constitution says that every 30,000 people should have a representative in the House or Representative. By the time Woodrow Wilson was president (everything bad in this country started with Wilson) the Congressional building was getting crowded. So congress created a bill and the president signed it to limit the size of congress to 435 members.

Well today there are a gazillion ways we can meet and even vote remotely without a representative ever having to leave their district. There is no reason why we need to limit the number of representatives to 435. The more representatives the harder it will be for corporations to buy favors.

Then we must have term limits. Yes, there are great senators and representatives who I would love to be there for as long as they can but they are such a small minority I can count them on one hand. The rest have sold their souls and are a waste taxpayer dollars. Get rid of them. It used to be that our founders thought the American people would get rid of them in the polls but we have some truly despicable people (like our current president) who have been in the House and the Senate longer than a lot of people have been a live. Biden was a grifter who saw that being a representative as a legal way to grift. That was his entire motivation to run for office. And now that scumbag is president. But I digress.

The American people have become far to complacent and unconcerned about who they send back to office every election and as a result the worst of the worst are who fills the halls of congress in both political parties. So for me it is a love/hate thing. I love the idea of the people deciding how long our representatives represent us but I hate how unobservant people are of their scumbag representatives so I am reluctantly for term limits.

States choose senators - that could make a difference, but that law was enacted for a reason and went through the process. I forget what the issue was, but there was something it was supposed to resolve. I fear you would be moving the issue, not solving it.

435 members - I think adding people is unnecessary myself, but could probably be convinced. I'm not sure it would add anything though. Right now we seemingly vote along party lines.

Biden was a grifter - That's the problem with believing what you are told and not looking at older news articles and records. He was a respected congressman and prior to politics being so divided, there were a lot of republican senators who had nice things to say about him. And 'he got rich off of us' is a lie. He almost filed for bankruptcy while he was VP due to his son Beau's medical bills. He didn't get wealthy while in office. Once he left office he did the standard appearances and book deals. he did lie about his academic record and a few other "are you serious?" moments over the years, but your characterization of him is exaggerated and inaccurate.

I'm tired of seeing posts of him kissing his granddaughters head at his sons funeral and people taking it out of context and implying that he is being inappropriate. You don't have to like the guy, but base it on merit. He is undoubtedly too touchy at times, but that wasn't one of those times. And yeah, I know some on the left were just as bad with Trump and his daughter. That was also uncalled for.

Term limits are a red herring. I hate to say it but people are lazy and will just end up voting along party lines if the person on the ballet changes that frequently.

Of the three comments you made to me this is the only one that had a reply link.

Socialism is NOT in the middle. It is on the far left with communism. The only difference between the two is socialism comes with a smiley face. Socialism always turns into communism. When the government controls that are put on labor stop working then force must be applied. That is when socialism become communism.

And, yes, private property ownership is one of the first things the socialists take once they gain power. Without it they have no means to "control the means of production". They do that by taking control of all private businesses. Many businesses, even large ones, are privately owned and not publicly traded. That means that the president of the business is no longer able to claim ownership of the business.

I am shocked at how soooooo many people here on ImgFlip just do not understand what socialism is and when me and others try to explain what it is we get accused of not understanding it. Aside from China and No Korea every other authoritarian government that is not a monarchy is or has been a socialist government. Both Stalin and Lenin called themselves socialists. Mussolini was a devout socialist but saw some flaws with it and tried to correct them. He called his version of socialism, fascism. Hitler did the same thing although Hitler was such a megalomaniac that once he got power he never stuck to the socialism that Nazism was built on.

I had a friend who was from the UK. I passed away about a year ago. About 15 years ago he went to the doctor for a check up and the doctor recognized a heart condition that need immediate attention. The check up was on a Friday and Monday he was in the hospital undergoing surgery. When his sister, who still lives in the UK, found out about it she was shocked. In the UK he would have had to wait 6 months to a year before he could have that surgery and he would have had to go to London (he was from northern England).

Canada has the same problem. Plus in both systems doctors are leaving and many are coming to the US. Government run eugenics is NOT the solution. The solution is to get the government completely out of the healthcare business and let the free market take control. With the free market the consumer (ie the patients) ALWAYS benefit. Less government ALWAYS is the solution because, as Reagan said, the government is not the solution to your problems, the government IS the problem.

I don't know what the limit is, but threads seem to cap out at a certain number of replies.

Socialism was envisioned as being between the two. An attempt to keep the strengths of both. Communism involves little to no personal property. Socialism is like being a federal employee - you still get paid, you still buy stuff, you still have personal property. And most countries that have democratic socialism only make the larger industries public sector. There are still small businesses and obviously corporations. In China for instance the state often owns a stake in businesses, and they are communists.

No, socialism doesn't always turn into socialism. Communism turned into capitalism in Russia when the USSR collapsed. Corrupt crony capitalism for sure, but capitalism.

Us dirty liberals want universal healthcare like a lot of countries. Is Canada socialist or communalist? Is the United Kingdom? They have had government owned medicine since 1948.

I think each 'ism' has its place in a functional society. There are communal spaces (National parks), public sector (Dept of Energy, Dept of Defense, police, fire departments), and private sector (Airlines, tech companies, restaurants, manufacturing, etc. - pretty much everything else).

Just because someone says they are socialist doesn't make them that way - North Korea is officially the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. They aren't a democracy.

With free market the people always benefit...no. I'm not even going to go into detail on this, but pharmaceutical manufacturers make deals with each other to not make generics once a patent expires so the prices stay up. The manufacturer literally just pays the other company not to make the drug. And there are so few companies doing it that it might as well be a monopoly. I want my medical care to be consistent and regulated.

There are trade-offs when looking at the examples of Canada and the NHS systems, but it isn't the doom and gloom that some imply. Canada and NHS have longer wait times and the like, but they spend so much less than us as to make that ridiculous. We could adopt one of their systems, fund it better, and still pay far less than we pay now. Or it might be more expensive. You can't say for sure, but we currently pay the most by far so I say go for it..

I'll point out again, where are the people protesting the Canadian system? Or the NHS? I would assume its a big political thing and one party of the other is offering to re-privatize? No?

That is probably what socialists are trying to say today but socialism has been around for centuries. They were less concerned with trying to strike any balances between communists and capitalists. They were more interested in killing the monarchies, then the rich and then each other like they did in the French Revolution.

The problem is that there is nothing wrong with the free market. It does not need to be controlled. Every attempt to control the market creates disaster.

The market is self correcting and left as free as it can then it always favors the consumer. Socialism always favors the oligarchs. Governments do nothing but cause inflation.

Socialism places unreasonable and unnatural demands on the market that will either collapse the economy outright or cause the oligarchs who control the collective to turn communist or authoritarian.

Socialism promises equality but delivers equally poor people while the oligarchs live in luxury. A luxury that is always short lived. Once they run out of other people's money then the entire house of cards falls apart.

How do you deconflict the evil tech giants and the market corrects itself?

Laissez-faire capitalism is what led to unions and child labor laws. Everything being made in China and outsourcing? That's unfettered capitalism.

Point to all the worst cases you want. I'll just point to the Nordic countries and every other modern nation that has a strong safety net and hasn't devolved to the guillotine.

yeah I think you got liberal wrong. Add one more category (fascist) and then put yourself there. Maybe then look at how wrong you are.

Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy. ... Opposed to liberalism, democracy, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

Care to talk about which side ticks off more boxes?

To be clear, I don't think the majority of Republicans are fascist...but I am extremely concerned with the dismissal of objective truth (climate, medical, fake news), the willingness to turn on anyone who disrespects your leader and just the basic lack of empathy for anyone who doesn't believe what you believe.

Core to that is the seeming ability to just decide what liberals believe and go with it as opposed to actually having a discussion and trying to find compromise (like you do in a Democracy). The willingness to believe that liberal = evil and that we are all snowflakes who need a safe space while simultaneously apparently trying to destroy the 'real' America via some convoluted international conspiracy.

The willingness to just blindly believe that this country that you apparently love is rotten to the core is another issue of great concern.

Why are you even bothering talking to me if you believe that someone you don't even know is a fascist? Go home fasciophobe.

Use logic my friend. Your very, very close to being fascist, as many far-right Americans are. As for the category you are closest too, and the sentence you just said, despite calling us "social
ist" and now saying, and I quote: "Why are you even bothering talking to me if you believe that someone you don't even know is a fascist? Go home fasciophobe." You specifically called us socialist at our first argument, and now your telling us to "go home fasciophobe." Of course I'm scared at what Fascism leads too, look at the Nazis. Socialism is scary too. I am not a socialist. You ARE very close to being a fascist.

Let me use logic then. Benito Mussolini is the father of fascism. He didn't invent it, that was an associate of his, whose name I forgot. Regardless fascism came directly from the Italian socialist movement because Mussolini was a socialist first. Fascism is NOT a radical departure from socialism when you look at the two as a whole. But to socialists (just like the left in America) dissent is forbidden. That is why liberals are many times persona nongrata in the Democrat party. The party has been taken over by leftists who do not allow dissent in the slightest degree and liberals don't always fit the leftist mold.

This is also why the Italian socialists ended up murdering Mussolini. Stalin hated what Mussolini did so much that he called him a right winger, which was a major insult. Something the American left picked up on and use to this day.

In fascism you still have government controlling the means of production but Mussolini let the business owners stay on as the ones who ran the now government owned businesses.

That IS fascism. It is socialism that is slightly less destructive.

However, today if you ask anyone to define fascism you will get a different answer from each person. Even some who are educated and should know better. So I just chose to stick with Mussolini seeing that he started the whole shebang. There are a lot of Americans running around thinking that fascism is Nazism. They are similar and Mussolini did steal a lot from the Nazis but they are still not the same, other than the fact that they are both just variations of socialism. Or more correctly, variations of Marxism because Marx's ideology played a huge role in codifying socialism and communism.

Regardless of what you think fascism is, it is still an authoritarian governmental regime. It creates a large and controlling government. And it doesn't matter how you spin it that puts fascism on the far left along with Nazism, communism and socialism.

So for you to say that I am not using logic is absurd. Logic and history is all I have ever used. I don't want to be controlled by a large authoritarian government. I don't want you to be controlled by a large authoritarian government. I don't want anyone to be controlled. I want everyone to be free to choose how to best live their own lives without influence or coercion from any government. I am not an anarchist, I am a Constitutionalist.

Mussolini was a socialist first, but was kicked out of the socialist party for supporting WWI. Fascism is anti liberal and traditional socialists are against nationalism.

Authoritarian =left. No sir. There are authoritarian governments on both sides.

Where do you stand on laws preventing trans youth from participating in sports? Gay marriage?

As a constitutionalist, you would also expect all people residing in the US to be included in the census?

In my experience, conservatives like laws the way they are, and see changes they don't like as reducing freedoms. And granting freedoms when it doesn't affect them directly is still often opposed. Trans in sports, gay marriage, stop and frisk don't affect most of us.

Wear a mask (enforceable by 100 year old laws passed during the Spanish flu) though is authoritarian.

I'm not saying where you stand on any of these, but traditional conservative positions on these are known.

Liberals want you to be free to do what you want. Conservatives want you to be free to do what they want. It's a subtle different because there is overlap. Conservatives genuinely want you to have the same freedoms they have/want, but it breaks down in places.

They don't want to wear a mask, they don't want you to have to either. They don't want to marry someone of the same sex, they don't want you too either. But you are free to marry anyone you want of the opposite sex.

I'm pretty sure it's subconscious. People often have gut reactions and then justify it to themselves.

Some people mistake vocal disagreement with oppression. You can say what you want, you can think what you want. But people also get to respond to that.

Most in the left are accepting of dissenting ideas in general, but there are areas that are non negotiable. It doesn't help that conservatives always seem to come for a fight abd not a discussion. Or that they think they know the motive for things without trying.

I realize there are a lot of generalizations here, and apologize in advance.