Fully vaccinated people don't need masks

control people, so it can reduce the infection

Control people, using infection as an excuse.

People who are healthy don't need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.97% survival rate.

that's not what the 500,000+ people (including my grandpa) said

Look on the bright side

Nobody died of heart disease, seasonal flu or a whole bunch of other maladies, in fact, the mortality rate for the year was same as any other year.

I find your statement highly suspect. It isn’t based on fact at all even in the context of sarcasm. According to the data collected by the CDC, the total deaths, total pop, and their respective overall mortality rates of the United States for the last ten years were as following:

2011
Deaths: 2,515,458
Population: 311.6 million
Mortality rate: 0.81%

2012
Deaths: 2,543,279
Population: 313.9 million
Mortality rate: 0.81%

2013
Deaths: 2,596,993
Population: 316.1 million
Mortality rate: 0.82% (up 0.01%)

2014
Deaths: 2,626,418
Population: 318.4 million
Mortality rate: 0.83% (up 0.01%)

2015
Deaths: 2,712,630
Population: 320.7 million
Mortality rate: 0.85% (up 0.02%)

2016
Deaths: 2,744,248
Population: 323.1 million
Mortality rate: 0.85%

2017
Deaths: 2,813,503
Population: 325.1 million
Mortality rate: 0.86% (up 0.01%)

2018
Deaths: 2,839,205
Population: 327.2 million
Mortality rate: 0.87% (up 0.01%)

2019
Deaths: 2,854,838
Population: 328.2 million
Mortality rate: 0.87%

2020
Deaths: 3,358,814
Population: 331.0 million
Mortality rate: 1.08% (up 0.27%)

As you can see, the average increase is anywhere between less than 0.00% to 0.02% yet in 2020, overall mortality rate rise a staggering 0.27%. That might seem like a small number but it’s really about thirteen times the average increase in total deaths, meaning it’s an unusual 1,300% increase from the average 100 to 200%.

This is because in addition to the usual causes of deaths we had 375,000 Americans die from Covid-19. If we subtract the Covid deaths from the total deaths in 2020 and then figured the mortality rate again, it would be 0.9%. A closer to normal but still high increase of 0.02% from the previous year.

This should be enough evidence for any reasonable person to conclude that Covid is very real.

Sure, and in April or May the CDC swept 40,000 cases out of the seasonal flu category and put them in the Wuhans category so the MSM could herald 100,000 Wuhans deaths.

If you're down with the Wuhans myth, wear two masks, get vaxxed and stay six feet away from other people for the rest of your life, IDK.

Forgive me if I take the CDC’s word over yours.

But I’ll humor you. Even if you were right that’s still 335,000 deaths which makes this so-called “myth” more deadly than the flu and the third leading cause of death in the United States. Right behind Heart Disease and Cancer.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

Also, how do you figure the odd increase in overall annual deaths in 2020 by roughly 475,000 when compared to the data of the last ten years?

The CDC just made it up? Fine.

Do you have a better source than the CDC?

Don’t bother linking YouTube videos, please. I’m sure if they’re credible you can still link a documented source.

Until you can, my point stands despite your lack of faith which is irrelevant to the facts I’ve presented.

CDC says 1,800 flu deaths

Do you really believe that?

Excuse me, you are correct. That is the estimated number for reported flu deaths in 2020-2021. My now-deleted response erroneously stated the 2019-2020 numbers.

It's actually lower than 1,800. 1,713 is the official number.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

It is possible due to the similarities that some Covid cases were flu. After all, of the 1,713 reported flu deaths, 1,131 had Covid-19 listed as an underlying or contributing cause of death on the death certificate.

There are two possibilities.

One, is that of the 375,000 deaths, anywhere between an estimate of 12,000-65,000 reported cases may have been misreported. That still doesn't account for the unusual overall 475,000 rise in deaths in the year. That still puts "the flu" as the third deadliest disease in America. It's more likely to be a novel virus... of the corona varient... ya.. know... as many scientists have wildly reported.

Two, the wide range yet minimal preventative measures for Corvid in the United States have made at least an impact on the spread of the flu. Theoretically, seasonal mask wearing might help keep flu deaths down to 5-10% it's usual annual rate.

I'm sure most anti-maskers wouldn't be too happy about that. Especially if they become mandatory supplies for most workers.

Alternatively, companies could take this as a business opportunity. If they haven't already. Yay, capitalism after all.

Yep, because they swept 40,000 of the flu deaths into the Wuhans column to claim 100,000 Wuhans deaths.

Pretty suspicious to take flu deaths from late 2019 and change them six months later. I guess that's why the Plandemic is called CV-19

But they didn’t. It’s not an either or category. If you had the virus and died from flu, both were on your certificate.

Plandemic is just a title to an antivaxxer propaganda video that claims not to be antivaxx on a technicality that it disguises much of its videos as a smear campaign against Fauci but then goes on to make several bogus claims using the same resources antivaxxers use.

You’ve never submitted any sources for your claim and until you do, it’s just bullshit. And even if you do have sources for it you’re still not addressing the 475,000 deaths increase between in 2020. I’m not even saying all those deaths were covid. Nor is the CDC. But it does make it hard for people to argue that covid is just the flu or that there is some nefarious conspiracy going on.

You’ve not done anything but just said “yep,” and made unfounded claims.

Yes they did Mr Trollbot

Your sources are suspect.

Do you have better sources?

And that's just America...

Out of a population (not saying they don't matter but) 340m, it isn't a whole lot

328 million

Okay then

328,240,000 - 577,224 = 327,662,776

its still people are you saying that they don't matter

he wasn't one of them, so it doesn't matter to him

You aren't reading what I said. I said I am NOT saying that THEY don't matter

your mathematical illustration doesn't seem very warm and fuzzy

Okay, ever thought if when EVERYONE gets vaccinated (mostly) in America and we STILL have a GOOD deal of cases

well i hope that won't happen. it would probably mean that one or more of the mutant strains are resistant to the vaccines. the faster we vaccinate, the less likely is that scenario. the longer it takes, on the other hand, the more new strains will have a chance to arise.

I get it but get this

We
Have
200m+
People
Vaccinated
Now

Also it was expected for India to have a lot of cases as they have the second biggest pop

we have hopefully passed the danger point where it can get out of control again. but 100 million unvaccinated people will still spread the virus and lead to unnecessary deaths. new strains (mutants) have been arising and we don't know for sure how well the vaccines will protect against them. this is why it's crucial to stay on our game until the thing is virtually snuffed.

Nope. The 200 million injections is dubious data. It's a 2-shot injection so assuming it's true it means max 100 mil. Injection sites are shutting down due to lack of interest. Which is why all of a sudden they are pushing the fake India surge. Yeah sure, a year later India finally has a lot of cases. Pure theatre.... No one believes the "variant" nonsense so they went with the laughable +300,000 cases in one day.

Biden: "when the data comes out (on 200 mill shots) it will show we really did reach this many shots at this time".

Okay, then if it was such good tech then we shouldn't need to wear masks for over a year and stuff like that

the tech is great but not instantaneous. there's a series of steps to develop the agents, then necessary testing before release to the general population. a year is record time for this process.

Mathematics isn't warm and fuzzy. It just tells you the facts.

It leaves out details.

Okay genius, America (back in 1918) got 675,000 deaths from Spanish flu (The Population at 104,000,000). The deaths in triple today's standards would be 2,025,000. Covid still and always will have less (depending on how long it lasts though)

our response to pandemics these days is much more informed than 100 years ago. drug design isn't instantaneous, but it's highly streamlined and high-tech. the downside is that we still can't cure viral diseases, only treat the symptoms and reduce the viral load in patients. 100 years from now, it will be even more amazing.

the more important factor is our healthcare system. also way advanced compared to 100 years ago. that's what gave us time to develop the vaccines and drugs before we got into millions of deaths. India is headed there, sad to say.

The only "details" mathematics leaves out is feelings. That's because it is an exact science, not heartwarming narratives.

i kinda wish he was so he could learn

once you start down the dark path, forever will it guide your destiny

I am not, I am just saying it could be worse and people are over-reacting

I wonder how (if ?) the tables would turn if covid primarily killed unborn babies instead of grown azz humans..

This libtard got executed, alright.

Evidently you can still spread it after being vaccinated, which for me means I'll just stick with wearing a mask.

I'll be fine if I do get it, I'll keep others from potentially getting it, and I'll wait a year or two to see how things shake out long term with regards to safety.

There is no asymptomatic spread.

CDC data says otherwise, pal.

I don’t think that’s been confirmed yet that you can still spread it even when vaccinated. It’s suppose to be highly unlikely but between the fact this is still a relatively new strain and it’s recent mutations; they can’t rule out that possibility yet. So, yes. We need to resume wearing masks.

No, they've confirmed that you spread it after vaccination. You also spread the virus in the vaccine.

What are your sources?

CDC data evidently shows that you can indeed carry the virus in any form even if you personally have been vaccinated.

They’re is a difference between carrying and transmitting and the current scientific stance is that transmission is possible but not confirmed.

As I said, we can’t rule out the unknowns (mutations and effectiveness) until the data is collected.

If you have it you can spread it.

The experimental mRNA gene therapy is not a vaccine.

Masks don't stop viruses; read the box that the masks are in.

Typically, vaccinated individuals do not spread the disease they are vaccinated for.

Those who have flu vaccines do not spread flu to other people, for example.

None of the covid vaccines are gene therapy.

Companies that produce masks will typically warn that they are not guarantee on their own to prevent virus reception or transmission. This is to protect them from any potential class action lawsuits for people who don't wear masks correctly, don't do anything else besides wear a mask, and yes, even produce masks with material that is actually less than effective.

That doesn't mean all masks don't work or that they aren't effective at all.