Mount Rushmore

joe bidens doing a really CRAPPY job as a president

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Sad but true.

You are the man! WOW! Impressed!

No... YOU!

It’s sad.

I really doubt that. They just fixed it a few years back so it should stand hundreds of more years ... unlike the Constitutional USA.

I just went back to Mount Rushmore and it’s still in perfect condition

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "the left"
And America may not be "destroyed" but it is being fundamentally changed, so that things like freedom (of even speech and thought) are disappearing. We are being encouraged not to connect with and learn from one another, as what we learn is "appropriation", the melting pot idea that once allowed our culture to evolve and incorporate the best elements from incoming cultures is now racist.

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literally 1984

Three of these Presidents were progressive, one of them was leftist.

Progressive is a term adopted by the early 20th century Socialists. Washington and Jefferson were classical liberals. Today classical liberals are found in the Libertarian, Constitution and Republican Party. Modern liberals stole that word to hide behind while they work to destroy liberty through Socialism.

That's the big take away, they grab a label that sounds good and use that for a few years, meanwhile trying to associate themselves with others that have used the label in the past while totally ignoring, or worse, rewriting history itself.

bruh wtf is wrong with socialism? they are promoting liberty, not destroying it. if you're talking about communism, then you may be right, but socialism and communism are two different ideologies altogether, despite their similarities and communism's claim to have branched off of socialism. also, the republican party is currently more rightist, bc of their rightist president for the last 4 years. i just don't understand how people can mistake socialism for communism, they're pretty different once you start researching them down to the core. and yes, i have this long of a wall of text to respond to your last sentence alone

You clearly do not understand the first thing about Socialism. Did you know that Nazi is an acronym? It is a German phrase that translates into English as the National Socialist German Workers Party. Were people in Nazi Germany promoting liberty?

Joseph Stalin claimed that he was an International Socialist and his predecessor Vladimir Lenin called himself a Democratic Socialist, just like Bernie Sanders.

Socialism has been around for a few centuries. The French Revolution was a Socialist revolution. Karl Marx used Socialism as the foundation upon which he created Communism (or modified it, the original communism was just small groups of people living in communes).

Benito Mussolini was a Socialist who when he tried to fix what he saw were flaws in Socialism was murdered by the Italian Socialists. Mussolini is the father of Fascism.

Socialism is the foundation of Communism, Fascism and Nazism. It starts with taking away an individual's right to own property and property includes not just land but everything you have in your house and it also includes your children and your life. That alone is bad enough because if you own nothing then you are a renter, a tenant on someone else's property. The Socialist will tell you that it is the people's property and is owned by everyone collectively. But what they won't tell you is that it is the oligarchs in the government who control that property and who decide what is best for the collective. It is a once size fits all ant colony.

Then Socialism is about controlling the means of production. That goes with no individual property rights because now the government runs all of the businesses. Which means equal pay for everyone involved, which has always been substantially less then when they were free. It doesn't matter if you are the star performer who is driven by a strong work ethic or a lazy good for nothing, everyone gets equal pay. That causes the star performer types to lose all incentive to work any harder than the laziest person in the company. That causes production to almost come to a stop. So to keep it going the government forces quotas on everyone.

The other thing that kills incentive is that you no longer work for yourself, you work for the collective and the only ones who get rich are the oligarchs. You become a slave. An ant in a big ant colony.

You may think that this is just communism but you would be wrong. This is ALL of the governmental systems based on Socialism.

I read what you posted and my Q does not involve socialism OR communism

As an American have you actually felt truly "free" And if so how?

I ask because after 53 years all I see is a America that promotes "freedom and liberty" while in reality our local, state and Federal Government piss all over Americans and The Constitution.

And it is not a Democrat issue it is a team effort with parties being guilty

Apparently you’ve never lived in a socialist country. That would explain why you don’t feel “free”.

I agree 100% with everything you said. King George's England was less tyrannical to our founding fathers than what our government has become. And it has been that way before we were born (I'm 10ish years older than you, I turn 63 next month) and it just keeps getting worse and worse.

You can pay off your house and not own a dime on it but if you don't pay your property taxes the government will throw you out of your house. You really do not own your house, you are renting it from the government. Some states (like Missouri) separate property tax on your vehicle from annual registration. Others combine it into one payment, therefore, you never own your car, you rent it from the government.

The IRS was created not to fund the government but to control the people. That is why there are so many tax laws that regardless of how honest you are on any day of the year you are guilty in at least 3 tax felonies.

This all came about because of the early 20th century Progressives. For the last century they have been stealing our liberty in a slow progression into Socialism. The Socialists have always been in both parties. The first progressive president was a Republican, Theodore Roosevelt. That being said the Democrat Party has become 100% Socialist while the Republicans are some percentage less.

If the majority of this nation have realized what you and I have realized then we might put an end to this loss of our basic inalienable rights but we can't even get rid of Obamacare, let alone all of the other crap they have forced on us.

WHAT THE F**K ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT OBAMAPRISMCARE MOTHERF**KING BITCH????????????????

Was I talking to you? Obamacare is the worst mistake that America has ever committed with regards to health care. Even the people that concocted this scheme thought it was a bad idea but they were doing this to try to get people ready for single payer government run healthcare.

What none of those morons know is that Americans see what a nightmare government run eugenics care is in all of the other nations who forced that on their citizens. We don't want it here. We don't want to have to wait a year in line for substandard medical treatment.

*sad socialist noises*

They don't mistake it. They purposefully twist it to scare their fellow right wingers as Trump goes? He's the party of Trump

He has not actual party if he thought declaring himself a full blown commie would help him he'd do it

your comments are depleting my braincells

i mean, im not hating on anyone, im just trying to defend the ideology of socialism

The ONLY thing that keeps Socialism around is the lies they tell to get everyone on board with it. They talk about equality and taking care of the poor. You get free everything. All of your wildest dreams will come true.

And if you say well what about the Soviet Union or Venezuela the answer is always the same, "They didn't do it right, we'll get it right this time".

There is never a "get it right this time". You cannot take that many rights and that much power away from the individual and ever expect anything different.

In order to truly be free you MUST have an extremely restricted and limited government. Anarchists will say that you cannot be free living under a government. They have a point but I do think that the government does serve some purposes.

George Washington said, “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence,—it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.”

The Constitution was written from the perceptive of We The People, the citizens, the average Joe Schmo. It is instructions to the people who are in government what we will allow them to or not to do. And if the Constitution isn't clear enough the first 10 amendments were ratified to tell the government what rights it specifically cannot trample on. The 10th Amendment further says that rights that are not enumerated so far are still held by the individual and the state.

It was set up as a wall to keep government out of our lives so that we can be free.

That left right scale you make reference to is wrong. It was invented by Socialists when America finally (after the press keeping it quite for years) became aware of the atrocities happening in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. The American Progressives (as they called themselves, sometimes they call themselves Liberal Fascists) hid. They pushed Fascism and Nazism off on the right wing and started teaching that in schools. They kept Communism and Socialism on the left.

Considering that Communism, Nazism and Fascism are all just minor variations of Socialism they ALL belong on the left. What the scale used to be is that Totalitarian Authoritarianism was on the left and Anarchy, no government at all was on the right. The founders saw as somewhere in the middle right. If you put Nazism and Fascism on the right and Communism and Socialism on the left then you have no room anywhere for freedom.

What you Americans label "socialism" is generally nothing of the sort.

Then you don't know what Socialism is. There are a lot of nations that people try to say are Socialist are not. The may be approaching Socialism but they all lack the final nail in the coffin. The removal of private property rights. The nations that have done that all have gone the way of Venezuela or North Korea.

However, the World Economic Forum has come up with an idea to solve that problem of those pesky private property rights. They call it the Great Reset. Their plan is to collapse the world's economy and "Build Back Better" a global Socialist society where, as the say, "you will own nothing and be happy." Biden borrowed that "Build Back Better" slogan for his campaign because he is in complete support of the WEF's plans.

NO western nation is close to socialism. As I said and as you demonstrated, you Americans know shit about Socialism.

I clearly know what it is better than you. America is full of people who have fled from those idiotic Socialist nations. People even risk their lives swimming from Cuba to Florida.

Socialism is slavery.

c u b a i s c o m m u n i s t , n o t s o c i a l i s t

"venn diagram is inaccurate"

The foundations of all 4 are identical. The only difference is the implementation. But every implementation all has the same foundation.

It is the foundation that is corrupt. That is why none of them make people free and make a nation prosperous.

venn diagram is inaccurate

And Socialism is not remotely found in American politics.

I strongly recommend you take that advice.

There is a lot more here than you know, starting with our taxation scheme that was forced on us a century ago. We are no where near as free as we were when this country was founded. If our founders saw what our government had become they would be sorely ashamed. We are worse off than we were when the English owned this country.

SydneyB nailed it with his Bernie Sanders meme. Bernie has always claimed he is a "Democratic Socialist" which is funny because Vladimir Lenin made the same claim.

I suppose your opinion of Socialism is that it is pure heaven. Good for you. You stay in what ever crap hole Socialist nation you live in and enjoy the hell out of your overlords telling you what to do.

We'll try to hang on to what's left of our Republic and fight the Socialistic advances by the misanthropic control freak narcissists.

There are 3 kinds of people in the world, those who want to control everything and everyone, those who want someone to control them and then there are people like me who just want to be left alone. We can take care of our own lives. We don't need you.

lmao i live in the united states bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!! anyways idk how many times i have to stress that communism and socialism aren't the same

Sanders isn't a socialist at all, as anyone from another country can tell you. To Americans, he's far left; to everyone else, he's roughly Center.

They are all different faces of the same coin: socialism, communism, fascism. All of them end up being totalitarian run by people at the top. Its more like which scam can they get the people to accept so they can rule over them.

do you even know what social security is?

Social security is paid out each year from incoming taxes. Its like a really bad retirement plan.
Many people confuse this with socialism, but its based on your income and how much you paid in, that's not socialism, just really bad money management.

f**k you and your negative views on socialism

Socialism is the first step to totalitarian regimes that always become communist.

as long as socialists don't get power-hungry, tyrannical, or whatever, a sucessful socialist state can be achieved. now, i'm not supporting dictorial communist regimes, i'm supporting socialism for what it should be. i think if socialism borrowed some ideas from democracy and capitalism, socialism could be arguably the best political ideology for economic, quality-of-living, and other circumstances. now yes, a lot of non-socialist nations claim to be socialist, and that's bad. it not only tarnishes socialism's image, but it also popularizes communism's image. i am aware of the atrocities that communism has brought to this world, and why it's bad and should not be supported. and i'm not a die-hard "this ideology will liberate the human race of all of it's troubles" supporter, bc that's kinda dumb ngl. however, socialism, if not f**ked up, can be very good for a nation's quality-of-life and economy. i'm not sure if it's actually possible to achieve true socialism, but it's worth a shot

They always get power hungry, always, every time.

but don't you at least agree with the fact that if they don't, then an actual socialist state can be established? i just honestly want to hear one good thing about socialism from this comment thread

Sorry you won’t hear it from me. Socialism is a curse on man that has led to the deaths of millions of people who refused its slavery and paid the price.

ykw fine! here's literal proof of good things that socialism has done! http://bit.ly/722ii9380

I agree. That leads to nothing and socialism hasn’t done anything good.

The only reason republics work over Socialism, and other systems is because it pits the greed and powerhungryness of people against each other which keeps out the corruption for a few hundred years.

no, it pits the do nots against the against the DO's simple...its in our dna to be the best we can be....until you are granted free stuff...your mind works to survive..go ahead...feed the bears...they have signs for that...humans...not so much...suckers out there

no?

Yes, Washington and Jefferson were "progressive" compared to the British tyranny.

Lincoln freed the slaves and was the first Republican president.

Washington and Roosevelt were both war heroes.

Roosevelt was a rancher, hunter, cop, Asst secretary of the Navy, and Colonel in the Rough riders.

A real bunch of hippies there, man.

Forgot to add that Roosevelt was a Republican too.

He was but he was also our 1st Progressive president. I don't think he was full on Socialist but he was heading towards that direction. When he lot his 2nd term and failed to get nominated in what woul have been his 3rd term he bolted and ran as a Progressive in the Bull Moose Party and lost.

Washington was an independent