The holes in liberal logic

If those laws went through it would decrease the occurrence of those events, but you are right they would still happen. But also a mass shooting is a lot worse than an abortion in my opinion. A mass shooting is killing actual living humans, unlike abortions.

unborn children are actual living humans, idiot

Rational thoughts.
My point to the meme as you may have realized is to point out the logic both sides try to argue. The left is really good at not sticking with their own logic which shows their motives. For example, democrats feel it is an infringement of the voting rights of minorities to require a voting ID due to claim they cannot obtain ID easily and therefore would not be able to vote. But...they propose a gun law like HR 127 that would require anyone wanting to possess a gun to do the following: apply for federal license, pay $800 insurance, get psychological exam (including interview of members in that household, face fines and imprisonment if not following those laws. But of course this does not infringe upon the rights of those same individuals...

Gun laws don't decrease gun violence. Look at Chicago

Most mass shootings are phony fake shows. Also guns protect property and save lives.

Ok, we'll just pretend "active shooter" drills and crisis actors don't exist.

Anyone who defends abortions needs to watch this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A16gzm9eaa8

I remember watching this. Gut wrenching.

Watch the video. That's all I ask. There's no propaganda. Just facts

And to one of your previous comments on abortion - "they don't feel pain"... if they have a nervous system, then yes they do.

I can imagine and I don’t want to see it again. Thanks for the input but no.

I don't agree with the first tile. The abortions would be unsafe, probably unsanitary, and downright dangerous. Having legal abortion makes that difference.

That's what liberals have tried to argue with me. That they would find a way to do it

Huh. The reason for keeping a law shouldn't be that people will still find a way to do it, it should be that you think that that thing would help others.

All abortion is “downright dangerous” for the child, you know. It doesn’t exist afterwards.

So you're saying the mother is more important than a child?

A human fetus is a child

Go up to any woman who had a miscarriage and tell them their child they lost was only a fetus.

All human beings have equal rights. If there is any possibility of saving both then we have a moral obligation to do so. If we seen forced by medical circumstance to save only one then yes, the woman can elect to save herself.

Hate to break it to you, but guns ain't abortions. Countries where people actually respect the gun and don't go ballistic when their girlfriend dumps them *cough cough* Switzerland *cough cough*, have very little gun violence. At the end of the day, there are 2 things wrong with US guns. The culture of blasting people and not respecting the gun, and the serious lack of background checks for people who want to murder others. Currently, a gun can be bought in the US as long as you have a clean criminal record and are over 18. What about people who have a clean criminal record, but aren't exactly very psychologically stable? We could prevent plenty of mass shootings simply by checking for psychological issues every 5 years for gun owners, and keeping the records up to date.

Okay, I see your logic. But who would do my exam? Would it be my doctor or some appointed government lackey with an agenda? Where would my private information be stored and who could access it, and for what reason? If I register my guns who is going to guarantee that I won’t be forced to submit to unconstitutional compliance checks?

I would need to have these questions answered first. And yes, gun owners always get the shitty end of the stick so I expect our questions to be answered first, and then we will decide whether or not these ideas are good for us.

Where would your info be stored? The same place everyone else's info is stored. FBI. And, if you mean psychological tests by compliance checks, you would be getting those

Yeah and the psychological checks probably wouldn’t be administered by my doctor. As for compliance checks, not without a warrant. And the FBI keeping my info and letting anybody with a badge look at it, nope. The whole thing stinks so I’ll pass.

When I say info, I just mean criminal record, not your search history. Anyone with a badge can see it anyway. Tell me, do you want a dangerous psychopath to have a gun?

Okay first, just because I have zero faith that our government can make a program like that work properly is no indication that I am opposed to *some* extra steps to buy a gun. It doesn’t mean that I want dangerous people to get their hands on a gun. It simply means that I want a real plan that doesn’t penalize those who haven’t committed any crimes and who aren’t batshit crazy.

With that said, I don’t have a criminal record. I can go buy a gun anytime I want. I just renewed my Texas LTC with no issues. I have no problem with the proper authorities looking into my history.

The problem with these proposals for mental health screenings is that the people who want them aren’t looking into what would be involved, like who administers the screenings and where my HIPAA information will be stored and who can access it. The FBI is a law enforcement agency so they can’t store that. It would have to be stored somewhere else in a database that the FBI can access. The reasons for that access need to be clarified, like they look at it only at the time that I buy a gun.

The next is who administers the screenings. Would it be my doctor or would I have to see a government doctor who may or may not for whatever reason disagree with my owning a gun even before I get to his office? Again, this needs to be clarified. So far there are a lot of ideas but no answers.

That’s my argument.

You would probably see a psychologist for the screenings

Would it be one of my choosing or one that is appointed to me by the government?

Does it matter?

Well, it matters to me who knows my private medical information. If you think about it, the reason for the screening in the first place would be to find a reason to keep me from buying a gun even though I have never committed a crime. So yeah, I want to know as much as possible about the process.

So can you answer my question? Who would perform my screening, my doctor or a government-appointed doctor?

The reason for the screening is so that a dangerous psychopath doesn't acquire firearms, as well as people who were mentally stable but ended up a lot less so

I'm actually against both of those things.

same

Nobody loves abortion, people just want to have the choice if they need it. If that’s what they want, it is their body. And the fetus is incapable of understanding or feeling what is happening. So don’t try me with that it can feel it bs

What about a person in a coma? What if a mom wants to end her childs life because she doesn't want the burden of going to the hospital everyday wondering if he's gonna wake up. The son is incapable of understanding or feel what is happening. I'm not talking about life-support.

I think you understand the point I'm making but again just want to discredit by starting the obvious. I appreciate the interaction tho. But the reasoning used is the same.

laws do help peoples desicions tho, like they think it is ok because the law says its ok.

I've never heard of someone committing a mass abortion, but maybe America is special like that

40,000 gun deaths in the US in 2018
620,000 abortions in the US in 2018

Fetus’s aren’t actual intelligent living things tho....

The point is that fetuses are just that, fetuses. They aren't alive yet. They can't survive outside the womb. And what about the mother? If you knew you would die if you had the child, what about your own life? Also, yay you've got a child you have no idea how to care for because you didn't want to have a child. But you didn't get an abortion. What if you got raped and now you are a 14-year-old girl who is in high school, but now has to care for a baby? Now you have to buy food, supplies, and devote your time to this baby you didn't want. You have to breastfeed your baby and take on a huge responsibility. I personally wouldn't get an abortion, but every person should be able to choose if they want to be pregnant and care for a kid.

You don't need me to argue the same points abt abortion. I'm not a ban all kinds of abortion person. I fully understand the circumstances. Whatever inconvenience may come from not planning to have a baby doesn't justify aborting.

So shooting a senior person isn’t murder?

senile*

Give them time and I’m sure some group of morons will think of something like that.