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A virus does not have party affiliations | The same people that died from covid under Trump.... would have died under any other president. | image tagged in jim halpert explains,covid19,quarantine,politics lol | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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11 ups, 4y,
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Well, according to CNN, covid 19 wouln't even be in the united states if clinton or biden were president
12 ups, 4y
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4 ups, 4y
So true
8 ups, 4y
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6 ups, 4y
It’s about damn time someone else realizes this.
4 ups, 4y
Upvoted!
2 ups, 4y
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1 up, 4y,
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The president can't make you wear a mask or social distance.
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1 up, 4y
Precisely, anybody saying that they have the right to not wear a mask will say that regardless.
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3 ups, 4y
When he took the step of shutting down incoming flights from China, the Democrats ran around with their hair on fire. They accused him of panicing, being a dictator and encouraged people to go to China town to oppose his Draconian precautions.

He then called their efforts to instil fear in people as a hoax, he never said there was no covid.

It was Fauchi that said at the beginning that masks were no use. Now the CDC says that most of the people that come down with it, did indeed wear a mask and social distance.
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1 up, 4y
People that call Mr. Trump a Dictator, say he should have acted like a Dictator.

His office is President. He presides over a board of directors composed of Governors. He answers to a board of directors composed of Senators and Representatives of the share holders, the people.

The legal section , White House Council would have advised him to not be a Dictator and risk being slapped down by the Supreme Court.

Mr. Biden's original Dictatorial PLAN was shot down by his own Council and his revised plan is basically the same as Mr. Trump's.
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8 ups, 4y,
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You say that, but our death rate per capita is 10th out of 195 countries and if we're the most medically advanced country in the world you would expect that we'd be closer to 195th out of 195.

So I'm not buying it - the reason we scored so badly on deaths is because we voted for the wrong guy.
4 ups, 4y
The problem here, my friend, is we are taking a complex issue and simplifying it to a formula of "we are the best medically so we should have the least deaths."

Couple things, let's start with the best medically. We are objectively the best. No country boasts a better survival rate when it comes to terminal illnesses like cancer than we do. We have accounted for over 90% of all new medical patents for the past 2 decades. And we are the largest exporter of medical practices in the world. Should you try to make the case that it is the best but it is too expensive, then maybe we can find common ground. Even taking Covid into account, our vaccine timeline is leagues past everyone else.

So the real reason for the disparity? It is because the response to a pandemic is not uniform in the States because it is not the responsibility of the President, but rather the responsibility of the governors. As the federal government, the president can only provide support and resources to where is needed most, but the primary response is by our governors. The fact that we have 50 governors who were all elected to represent their constituents for different reasons, they have all had slightly different results. That is why you have some states that if they be ranked as their own country, then they would be ranked 196th in the world while other states if they were to be ranked, they would be 1st out of 196 countries. Yes, some people voted for the wrong guy. The problem is it isn't the one in the white house, it is the one leading an individual state.

But that point isn't even my Coup De Grace, because maybe you are still thinking facts like how our government runs isn't enough. Then consider this: Joe Biden, when he became the candidate for president, said he would have done things differently. After outlining a plan, it was shot down by his own party's lawyers as being unconstitutional (because he wanted to do things that he didn't realize a president doesn't have the power to do, like mandate masks). After some time returning to the drawing board, he presents a new plan. And wouldn't you know it, it looks a lot like what Trump has done. Which is why Kamala just laughed and couldn't even respond when Pence called her out for plagiarism of their Covid plan. Because as crappy as a politician Kamala might be, even she knows a what plagiarism is.

If you still disagree, I would be happy to entertain any rebuttal.
3 ups, 4y,
2 replies
Which state had the most covid deaths?
6 ups, 4y
Cuomo?
3 ups, 4y,
1 reply
Probably the most densely populated state.
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2 ups, 4y,
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0 ups, 4y,
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Ah.. the state with the most densely populated city.. and Trump world tower.
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1 up, 4y,
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0 ups, 4y,
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Ah.. good point. Trump's obese @ss probably does frequent McDonalds.. spreading the Trump virus there too.
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0 ups, 4y,
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0 ups, 4y,
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Impossible. The donald already made (my) America great again. You can tell by all the literally nothing that has helped me. I guess to be fair he did sign that government check... but that kind of came from congress... maybe if AOC and Pelosi gang up on Mitch McConnell they can beat another check out of him for trump to sign. Heard he had some mysterious bruises... Maybe they're close??
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0 ups, 4y,
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0 ups, 4y
Ya.. and that's the problem with America.. we're ungrateful for all of trump's good work helping us. Maybe heirs of the ~250,000 Americans should send the donald "thank you" cards after they collect their inheritance $ to show their gratitude.

:o
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0 ups, 4y,
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So, all you care about is yourself, what is in it foe you?

You just want free hand outs from the government.
0 ups, 4y
If you scroll up you'll notice the person I was responding to was the one who steered the conversation to "what is in it foe me".

I could wipe my *ss with that check they sent me compared to what has been given to corporate America and the farming industry.
0 ups, 4y
Biden proposed a mask mandate, and he then retracted it not a couple days later. The reason? Biden's lawyers had to remind him that it isn't actually constitutional. Governor Gretchen knows what that is like because the supreme court in her state just ruled her mask mandate as unconstitutional.

So what did Joe do? He remade his plan and it looks so close to Trump's plan that Pence called Kamala out for plagiarism in the VP debate and she just laughed. Because she had no rebuttal.

And I challenge you to show me any evidence that these rallies spread covid anymore than the "peaceful" looting and rioting happening in blue states.
6 ups, 4y,
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But.....but.....what about.....Obama......Obama bad REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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8 ups, 4y,
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No one mentioned Obama, but don't let that stop you from embarrassing yourself.
4 ups, 4y,
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You know exactly who the OP’s implying.
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5 ups, 4y,
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The OP said the people who died from Covid would have died under any other president, that's a fact. You're the only one implicating Obama, that says more about you and Obama than what anyone else is saying.
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5 ups, 4y
You are so mentally stunted you're using whataboutism to whine about whataboutism to prop up your failed argument.
6 ups, 4y,
1 reply
ignore the fact that he said the virus was a hoax at first
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8 ups, 4y,
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Well, that is a misrepresentation of what he said.

He said that the panic over Covid 19 was a hoax. The DEMpanic is a hoax.

You will notice that the blue states that have paniced the most have the most "Covid" deaths, and nearly no deaths for any other reason.

But that's none of my business...
4 ups, 4y,
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So if it all comes down to population and not mismanagement of the governors, New York, ranking 5th in population with 5.86% of the US' population, should have somewhere around 4-6% of the deaths. Despite that, they account for 14% of the deaths. Let's compare another big state like California, who boasts 11.91% of the US population. It accounts only for 7.6% of all deaths, even though it was a primary port of reentry in the United States for people fleeing from high Covid areas.

To put this all in perspective, should we look at deaths based on population with the US as a whole, we boast a 0.06% death rate based on population. So again, yes, those figures for New York are crazy high. So no, population is about as small as it gets when it comes to the factors that actually made things worse. Shitty governors is what caused things to get worse, and yes, the vast majority of those governors were blue.
2 ups, 4y,
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Actually I have heard about increases in suicide and overdoses but I haven't looked into it much yet.
0 ups, 4y,
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All I heard was that it was on the rise but can't tell you specific figured for that one.
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0 ups, 4y,
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As in any other case correlation does not necessarily = causation.
0 ups, 4y
Totally agree. There could be, but my point simply is I haven't really looked into it and researched it like other things I feel confident speaking to. I'll put it on the list of research projects.
1 up, 4y,
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4 out of 5 of the highest populated states are also among the 5 highest covid death states.. which is not to say I think this is the sole factor, I was mostly refuting the conspiracy that 2ATom was hinting at.

If you want to talk about governors ok.. Texas: 2nd highest deaths.(Repub)
Florida: 5th highest deaths. (Repub)

I would tend to think densely populated cities, major airports, age, general health, skin color/vitamin D level, and however many other factors play a role in deaths in different locations. Cuomo obviously f*cked up in NY with the nursing home thing but....

I want to know more about the alleged "nearly no deaths for any other reason" part....... the research I've done so far indicates the typical expected number of deaths for other reasons, as well as a roughly quarter of a million extra deaths for covid. Nothing I have seen indicates a lower amount of deaths for other reasons.
1 up, 4y,
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Were I to mediate between you and 2ATom, I would say the truth is you both are right on just one thing. He was right in saying that the media and the left mischaracterized Trump's usage of the word hoax, but you are right that hysteria is definitely not what is the cause of the top states. Again, I think that is all up to mismanagement. So it would have been more accurate to say that "the vast majority of the states that did terrible would be blue states, but not all."

Reason with me for a moment, looking at the total deaths doesn't present the complete picture. Covid on a worldwide scale has a death rate of 2.75%. So to truly represent the good/poor job someone did, we should look at the death rate per cases, since that would take population out of the equation. Instead looking at how well they handled the cases they were given. Giving everyone an even playing field. If you were to rank states by their death rate, the worst 12 states would have 8 flying blue colors. The best 12 states would have 9 states flying red. So objectively by the measure of death rate, it is fair to say that blue did poorly in comparison to red states.

This is why I maintain that California (who is a blue state) did a great job. Even though they had the most cases, they only boasted a 1.9% death rate (US average is 2.66% to compare), while New York is sitting at a 6.7% death rate (ouch).

Feel free to check my work:
https://covid19-us-stats.herokuapp.com/

I was bored so I took the stats from the New York Times on Covid-19 cases and deaths, had it calculate the death rate for each state, and then I added a flag to display whether the state is red or blue based on party affiliation. Built a quick app that took me like 20 mins to show the data. Just sort by rate and you will see what I am talking about.

As for the "nearly no deaths for any other reason," he is probably talking about the scandal of inflated numbers in some states. Some hospitals unfortunately got partisan and would blame deaths on covid despite them not dying from covid. NYT did the same thing when they dropped a "bombshell" story about the first toddler dying from Covid. Turns out the toddler died from other mishaps and just happened to have Covid. It is a shame but it did happen. Can't speak to the severity of that problem though.
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0 ups, 4y,
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Good job, thanks.

Yet, Mr. Cummo is lauded as having done a great job and Mr. Trump as not having done a good job.

Here in Indiana, I have to listen to Dick Turban lie that Mr. Trump withheld Covid relief from Illinois in his re-election commercials.
0 ups, 4y
Honestly it doesn't bother me that much because just like a bomb-maker, you can't escape your work. People that are quick to believe lies are the same people whose lives are miserable and have no joy. I mean, look at Chicago, one of the worst places in the US to be a black person. Yet Chicago votes almost unanimously for Democrats who continue pushing policies that actually hurt the very people they pretend to help.

These people deserve your pity, not your scorn. So let New York think Cuomo is great and De Blasio is a saint. The only people being hurt by those policies are the very same New Yorkers who vote for them.
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0 ups, 4y
Doctors around the country have complained that they are required, by CDC guidelines, to list Covid as THE cause of death, regardless of co-morbidity.
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