If you allow one you need to allow them all. I thought we learned this with Christmas celebrations.

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He's not though. Graffiti has nothing to do with free speech.

Everything is about free speech. Statues are so why not writing on the street or in a meme?

No everything isn't about free speech. Removing graffiti is not silencing free speech. Free speech just means that you're allowed to speak your mind without government interference.

yep

This has nothing to do with free speech though? Free speech means you're allowed to say what you want without government interference. Doesn't mean you can make graffiti where you want to.

Fun Fact!

The government allowed people to paint the BLM on the street. It was an official Mural

The couple that threw paint over it were the people doing the graffiti.

Literally

Interesting, didn't know that. Kind of puts it into perspective how many right wingers will complain about shit like this while only know half the story.

I misread that as "right-whingers" haha!

Appropriate.

it's certainly appropriate for that sub group lol

Yeah. Thanks for being so kind about this. I personally think that even if they get the legal permits to paint something like Baby Lives Matter on the street, it feels like we should tackle these problems 1 at a time. If we have protests on like 5 different things at once, it will be complete chaos and nothing will be achieved, however, Baby Lives Matter is something you could argue is urgent because of the election coming up, but I think we should focus on 1 at a time. I don’t personally have much of an opinion on Baby Lives Matter, but I do think it is something that will need to be discussed/debated by both sides before the election.

There's really no discussion to be had when it comes to baby lives matter. People should be allowed to do with their own body as they chose to. Anything else is silencing their free will.

I'd agree with that. As long as the baby isn't "alive" yet, but that is where the next argument starts- when is the baby alive, and I don't wanna have it.

What's a 'moto'?

Nothing, whats a moto with you?

You just made my day! I was really hoping someone would say that.

Only just noticed I wasn't following you; rectified.

It’s always California, New York, or Florida screwing it up for everyone

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Mainly because the people who would protest were aborted.

Its obviously just a joke & is a popular meme to show the idea of abortion. Adding the wood chipper can't be racist either - as lets be real - how many times have you seen African Americans involved anywhere near or with wood chippers? Those things are dangerous & African Americans are smart people.

I decided to delete it because I didn't like the idea of someone stealing it and possibly using it as a template for racist stuff.. might be too late anyway
:/

But thanks though

I'm actually just giving ya a hard time too lol ;) because the comments is where the fun is

Ummm...

And you try to pretend you aren't racist.

Tries to pretend? He's very anti-trump and leans towards the dems on most things. Good to see you accuse literally everyone of racism.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the black mother tossing her child, like a basketball, into a woodchipper seems kinda racist. Regardless of what someone might believe or post elsewhere.

*checks watch to see how long it'll take for someone to accuse you of racism for pointing out racism*

And if it had been a white mother throwing her child into a wood chipper would you have said anything? Or is it possible he used the black woman because that's what the original image is of and has nothing to do with any opinion on race?

You clearly aren't familiar with the artist and their works.

Context is the key here, and the addition of the woodchipper.

You clearly aren't familiar with my works.

I support BLM (at least as an idea/conceptually, not sure about the actual organization), the kneeling protests (ever since Kaepernick started it), and peaceful protests in general... I do think the riots and looting is a problem for society as well as for the movement itself but moving on... I am curious wtf would the woodchipper have to with any alleged racism?? She's throwing a baby. It was simply meant to make it more savage. In the past I have used a garbage can. Do woodchippers have racist connotations or undertones unbeknownst to me? Are they adjacent to nooses??

But ya it had nothing to do with their race. My comment was in response to someone rehashing the "you like to kill babies if you support a woman's right to choose" narrative as a cheer. The lady looks cheerful so the meme seemed to fit as a respsonse to them. To be clear I support a woman's right to choose and basically I think if you're against abortions, don't have one. But I'm basically bored with the abortion debate at this point so eh ....

Also as far as the meme you posted from what appears to be the same artist....... tbh it seems complicated, I don't get it, I don't think it would've worked here, and I'm unclear on what your point was regarding that (?)... Is that artist racist? Do they primarily do abortion basketball type images? Where were you going with that?

"I support BLM (at least as an idea/conceptually, not sure about the actual organization), the kneeling protests (ever since Kaepernick started it), and peaceful protests in general.."

"But ya it had nothing to do with their race. My comment was in response to someone rehashing the "you like to kill babies if you support a woman's right to choose" narrative as a cheer. The lady looks cheerful so the meme seemed to fit as a respsonse to them. To be clear I support a woman's right to choose and basically I think if you're against abortions, don't have one. But I'm basically bored with the abortion debate at this point so eh ...."

Also this.

??

I am not familiar with your works, and as a random, I was confused about the message being sent.

Without any of the listed context, it just looks like agreement with OP.

I can see you meant it as satire, which makes sense considering the cartoonist.

As to my posting another cartoon by the artist, it was to illustrate the nature of their work. They have a vast swath of terrifying imagery.

Regarding the wood chipper, it does make it more savage, which was another factor in my interpretation of the meme as agreement with the OP. Woodchippers themselves aren't a symbol of racism as far as I know.

I realize now that you didn't mean to convey the message of agreement. That wasn't easy to understand based on the meme alone.

It would be racist to imply that blavk mothers don't care about their children, however I can recognize that wasn't your intention.

Eh.. my occasionally satirical memes& comments don't always turn out the way I think. I made a joke a while ago about how the repub campaign seems to be "make America great again... again" (considering some of their 2020 merchandise has the same MAGA slogan as it did 4 years ago).... And then Pence went and actually said it in his speech! I mean he actually said "Make America Great Again Again".... 2 agains. Wtf. Who does he think has been running the show for the past 4 years? It's kind of a mindf*ck to see satire become reality but moving on......

Looking back I can see how the context of the BLM aspect of the OP meme + their race in my meme could make it seem like I was thinking BLM are hypocrites because they're not ok with police essentially executing them in the street but they are ok with killing their own "babies"/ fetuses..... However.... to think that, you would have to assume that the BLM movement is pro-choice. Everyone I know who supports it IS pro-choice but abortion isn't really central to the concept so that might be circumstantial. Some people who support BLM might be anti-choice. Maybe the actual organization itself is pro-choice idk (?).. I would tend to think they wouldn't want to alienate people so maybe they don't specify but tbh I'm not sure.

I should have probably added text but I liked the simplicity of the image. Anyway I think I'm going to delete it so that people on the right cant steal my meme and use it as a template for their own purposes.. but I suppose if they really wanted to they could easily make it same as I did. They might have already stole it. >.< ...Eh.. anyway I may or may not use it again in the future.. in a different context.. with text.

Good talk though. Meme on!
:)

Did you miss the "also this"?

I was agreeing with you.

I saw that I just wasn't clear what it meant... Thought maybe you meant to send someone else my quote for some reason and accidentally sent it to me :P

But anyway.... Thnx
:D

You're right, I'm not. I am however familiar with the meme and how it's commonly used. Google baby yeet meme if you're curious. General usage has nothing to do with race whatsoever.

General usage, is not the context of this specific use of the meme.

White women don't have the same history of oppression and abuse, it's a false equivalence to suggest they do.

I'm sure all the greek and celtic/germanic women enslaved and raped by romans for a thousand years agree completely.

You knew the topic was United States history, yet you obfuscate

For the last 50 years black women don't either... oppression at an institutional level has been over a longggg time.

Ignorance must be bliss for you

Blissful in that I'm lacking ignorance, yes.

Why is it racist? Are you saying black women don't have abortions/murder babies? You have to pick a person for the cartoon, it'd be just as racist if he didn't use a black woman. Get a life.

Well it really makes sense it's a black woman since the founding principle of abortion is eugenics, specifically blacks and undesirables. So, really it is racist to push this idea of woman's rights. A black pregnancy in NY has a 50% likelihood of being aborted. Gotta keep the slaves on the plantation, go democrats.

Republicans be like "We need to save the child" but then when it's born "We no longer care about you".
Also do you really want your wife or daughter to be raped and then be forced to stare at the child forever knowing you caused this?

We care about kids but you have the freedom as a parent to raise the children. There are programs to help those in need. If you can not stand the sight of a child then give it up for adoption. It takes courage to do the right thing.

My point is that many republicans only care about people when they're unborn. After they get born the general consensus between most republicans is "me me me". America has one of the worst social security nets of any western country. You want an education? Oh you're going to have to put yourself in debt for a large part of your life. You require any sort of medical attention? Oh here's a massive bill. You get a life threatening disease? You must either chose death or bankruptcy. You're born or become disable? Have fun being poor for the rest of your life. If republicans truly did care for anyone besides themselves, they would push for better social security nets.

It is ok that you don't understand abortion or the long term effects it has on individuals and society. It is ok that you don't understand viability, or personhood.

It is not ok to pretend people making such a hard decision for their family are celebrating their loss.

Shame on you for trying to reduce such an important healthcare decision. Shame on you for trying to control women's bodies.

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keep driving traffic to your memes, you imgflip-points are more important than this conversation /sarcasm

You've never heard of #ShoutYourAbortion? It's not such a hard decision for many of these women. In fact it's cheered quite often which is despicable. I bet you're in favor of mandatory masking though.

You are apparently just incapable of understanding that women are being encouraged not to feel ashamed about abortion. Seeking solidarity and not giving in to public shaming does not equate to 'cheering' it. You have no way of knowing whether it's a hard decision or not.

Really, even if there were justification for abortion, at the very least I would expect the woman to mourn the decision. It should be a sad affair. Women should not be saying things like they get off on getting an abortion.
https://thoughtcatalog.com/nicole-mullen/2014/02/can-we-stop-pretending-like-abortions-dont-feel-good/

You wouldn't expect mourning, you would expect charges and incarceration

No. I would expect the woman to feel mournful and sad. I would expect law enforcement to take action.

https://youtu.be/xwzlwyr64pg

You are powerless to force women to feel any particular way. Deal with it.

Women should feel how they feel, and that is between them and their Healthcare professionals.

I'm not powerless. I can put pressure on women to feel a certain way because I'm part of humanity. Women should feel mournful at the death of a child no matter the circumstance. If they don't, then they have severe mental issues.

Sticks and stones lokiare

Your words will not hurt them

it should. abortion is a horrible thing, and I hope with every bone in my body that women who have abortions regret it deeply, bc well, they are killing their child, and in doing so, committing murder.

What criminal punishment do you suggest for a woman that has an abortion?

I'm not sure if you've noticed but we're all individuals, it's unhelpful narrative confirmation to take one outlier's opinion and try to use it as a representative attitude about a sensitive topic.

It's similar to the mascotization Conservatives employ, find a particularly cringe-worthy photo of someone who appears to fit a stereotype and then repeatedly use their image to discourage others from espousing the views you baselessly claim the person holds.

My opinion isn't an outlyer. Its based on psychology and psychiatry. If a women doesn't feel sad at the death of a child, then she is not mentally stable. That's just a psychological fact. It means she has no empathy and is likely a sociopath.

Aborting an embryo is not the equivalent of losing a child.

if an embryo has a soul (which it does), it is above even animals in its worth. if an embryo grows into a baby (which is does), it is human too.

A soul is a concept, it isn't an actual thing. It was a word used to describe our sense of self before we had any understanding about the brain works.

Humans are animals. Humans eat, shit, and breath the same as the other mammals.

yep, we are animals in a sense. but we have a soul. our soul lives on forever. animals do not. r u religious at all?

you will be regretting saying that when you are burning in hell, JRBobDobbs

You are building a strawman out of a fake woman from your highly biased opinion.

Shame on you.

Your reduction of complex issues to hyperbole and rhetoric is gross.

I stand with lokiare. if you can just kill a human being who can't even stand up for themselves, and be ok with it, that is just sick

If you can just force someone to endure the physical and psychological trauma of pregnancy and childbirth, all the irreversible health implications, risks and pain, that is just sick.

if women are too afraid to have childbirth or whatever, then (this is insensitive) they should not have sex. there is such thing as pain medicine ya know. and the trauma is part of life. you cant avoid it

what kind of bible are u reading? and r u telling me u want to go to hell bc its cooler than heaven? I used burning in hell as a figure of speech. actually, in hell, you are punished by what sin you committed to get there. example: if u get sent to hell for being a glutton, you have to eat so much every day you puke.

"you will be regretting saying that when you are burning in hell, JRBobDobbs"

Haha!!

"HEAVEN IS HOTTER THAN HELL

The temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed.
Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads,
Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days.
Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty nine) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation
(H/E)4 = 50
where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300°K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798° absolute (525°C).
The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6°C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. Revelations 21:8: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6°C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.)
We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C. Temperature of hell, less than 445°C. Therefore heaven is hotter than hell.
This version differs from some on the net, and has been faithfully copied from the version in Applied Optics. The misprint in the exponent of the equation has been corrected, and one insertion added, in square brackets. The author of this piece is probably Paul Darwin Foote, published anonymously in a 1920 publication of the Taylor Instrument Company. The Applied Optics version was prefaced by "The following reached your Managing Editor via John Howard (from) H. William Koch (from) Alan Bromley (from) an unnamed environmental physicist of several decades back."- Vaughan McCue

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi99Nayms7rAhVMF6wKHe-JAjAQFjABegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncregister.com%2Fdaily-news%2Ffatima-and-faustina-offer-striking-frightening-visions-of-hell&usg=AOvVaw1kJ908HW1LxU3KTR2QYovE

the puking was an example I heard on the radio over this website

"what kind of bible are u reading? and r u telling me u want to go to hell bc its cooler than heaven? I used burning in hell as a figure of speech. actually, in hell, you are punished by what sin you committed to get there. example: if u get sent to hell for being a glutton, you have to eat so much every day you puke."

I made it quite clear that I didn't write that, I just thought it was amusing. Share the passage where it talks about puking. How do you imagine that happens with no body?

How succinct, excellent layout of using an outlier as the foundation for building a strawman to argue against.

Sorry lokiare didn't read it before responding.

Thanks. :)

Campaigns like that are to counter the stigma and shame you are trying to shovel on women. Way to be obtuse about it

Says the soulless baby killer.

What should the punishment be when a woman gets an abortion, if you believe she is commiting murder?

It should be the same punishment as murder. There should be a trial and she should be put in jail.

Who's committing infanticide?

Go learn biology

Go reclaim your soul from the Prince of Darkness.