Time to put this debate to rest. Stop reading fake news media.

1. I do believe it was heart failure from meth use.
2. I also believe that it was severe misconduct to have his knees on his neck for that long, or at all, since he did not seem to be resisting.
3. The panic in that situation and stress on his body and mind probably contributed to his heart failure.
4. The cop that did that deserved to be discharged for his actions.
5. He was not trained to go kill black people, and cops as a whole should not be under attack for this.
6. The following riots and protests should not be happening, and they are causing more harm than good.
7. Nearly everyone believes that black people lives matter. Almost nobody would believe they should be killed off or ignored. That is why the whole BLM drama is pointless and stupid.

I agree with your points, except #2. The full video proven he was resisting from the start.

https://youtu.be/tmol05Uftv8

I was under the impression that police was only going to respond to emergency calls due to covid. A counterfeit 20 doesn't seem like the type of emergency that should bring four officers to the scene.

For what it's worth, my mom said she couldn't breathe while giving birth and the doctor said if you can talk you can breath. So there are times when that statement may be true. But that was an entirely different scenario.

I assumed Floyd died because the blood was cut off to his brain thus why he went unconscious.

Regardless of the cause of death, this was still misconduct. I am not against the police being rough when it is needed. But they already had him restrained and he wasn't resisting. He must have been a "gentle giant" because anyone his size with an ounce of aggression ought to have been able to throw off Chauvin.

Before I blame his death on meth I would blame those bystanders. It is a well known stereotype that people nowadays would record someone drowning rather than jump in to save them. Why didn't some of the guys nearby do something? Had I been there I would have gotten the scrawny duck off of Floyd. I'm not sure what would have happened after that but I would have got him off.

You presented a well argument.

Whether it is misconduct is debatable depending on whether the police was following procedure. Let's assume Floyd was a healthy man. Then would what the cops did contribute to his death? And if what he did was "by the books?" If cops are trained to do this to subdue a non-compliant criminal, then why is he wrong for exercising what he was trained to do? Responsibility falls on the training.

You’re wrong about him being restrained and not resisting. He resisted when they tried to put him in the patrol car for 3 minutes. Here is a video that the press failed to show because it doesn’t support their biased reporting.

https://youtu.be/tmol05Uftv8

I'm not sure the full truth is out. It would be very odd if he tried to murder the guy in such a way. I think the cop was at fault, though I have my doubts that race had any great influence on the situation. However, the resulting riots were harmful and wrong. In protesting a life lost many more were killed.

Still misconduct.

Still Not Murder

Manslaughter at the VERY least.

Involuntary manslaughter

Which still entails criminal negligence, for Christ's sakes.

What are you getting all worked up about? We basically agree with each other, you imbecile. For Christ's sake.

What gave you that idea?

Say it with me, marxist. Over 3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl.

eyyy the cops still shouldn't have been kneeling on him, no matter how many causes of death the bootlickers say he had

Not one liberal is talking about how Floyd was a career criminal - who threatened a Pregnant Woman...with a weapon. Maybe if he hadn't decided to be a career criminal - he wouldn't have had a Cops knee on his back.

But its easier to be mad at all white folk and cops than it is to work on personal inventories and act like decent people.

Look, because you make me a little sick, actually. Here are the links directly from the Hennepin examiners office. Their website is here:

https://www.hennepin.us/ME

The report we both had in our links - without commentary at all.

https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

You can find the report in the first link on June 6th, it links here.

The publicly released statement before people like you started being crazy is here. June 6th in first link.

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf

If you want to come back, you can but I encourage everyone else to read these links then tell me George Floyd died of a heart attack as a result of ingesting meth.

Not understanding words and misunderstanding things does not make you a genius. Quoting a news source that dissects erroneously what these things say does not make you a genius.

Use these sources here (no media at all) and tell me how you came to your conclusion. Page and paragraph reference where possible.

Note: in no source does it say anything about clearing the officer of any wrongdoing, it also doesn't accuse them of any - that is not their job, they have to be impartial. Clearly states that cause of death is a homicide though and the autopsy report backs that up. Does homicide mean murder? no. Does homicide mean that the police are culpable? no, but it does mean Chauvin/they are at least partly accountable. The court decides what the level of the homicide will be - that can include an accident.

Would George Floyd likely have died due to heart disease? Yes. That day? Not likely without the extreme added stress and pressure.

Was the level of drugs in his blood and urine present? Yes. Blood volatiles? NO. Were they high? Yes. Did the autopsy find it directly lead to his death? no. Do they suggest further testing? YES - we can actually find common ground here.

Even with the full body cam footage (not the laughable CNN version) as backup it is clear that George Floyd is able to breathe and communicate at a comprehensive level. He even says "I can't breathe" before he is restrained. He seems agitated and potentially hallucinating, sure, he was resisting arrest, sure. It wasn't until the officer was on him that he showed severe signs of struggle though. and he fell unconscious around minute 5... of 8+

June 1st and 3rd. I miss quoted the dates. Apologies.

can't believe you're actually defending the cop that murdered george floyd. You'll do anything to deny racism.

Proof this had anything to do with racism?

Sounds like you’ll do anything to accuse racism. What evidence is there that race had anything to do with it?

I'm not defending the cop. I'm defending the truth, which you don't care about because you like sucking the tits of fake news media.

What truth? no matter what George Floyd was going through, that cop shouldn't have done that. George Floyd even said he couldn't breath.

And if someone being arrested for drug possession says “that’s not mine”, should the cop just let him go? I mean he said that it wasn’t his drugs so the cop shouldn’t have cuffed him and taken him to jail, right?

but Should he have killed him because of that?

Was the cop trying to kill him? Yes, he died while being restrained but his death wasn’t the purpose of the restraint.

Why was he saying he couldn’t breathe before he was on the ground?

From what I read, he was actually on drugs at the time, which is why he was erratic and noncompliant. His heart was already damaged from prolong use of meth, 20 yrs of it, and finally gave out. I believe it was some sort of cardiac arrest, heart attack. He couldn't breathe because of the drugs and his pretty much wrecked body from the 20 yrs abuse.

I don't think a policeman kneeling on his neck was helping matters either.

He was going to die that day at that moment, regardless of what the police did. That was the point.

so it's okay that the policeman did it?

Did what? kneeling on the neck? It was by the book. If you have a problem with that, then shouldn't the police procedure be changed? The training is up to scrutiny, not the officer who acted on his training. We agree on that?

Now did the kneeling cause his death? No, that was the point. Read the full report.

Yep, there are some big arteries in the side of our necks.

Exactly. Damaged nerves, spinal injury, etc... but not asphyxiation. Thanks for the info.

what did the doctor said in the report? Did you do the autopsy?

How about you read it? It's posted all over this page now.

"Also, even if someone is paid to do an autopsy that doesn't necessarily mean the results are inaccurate"

You rather believe in someone who was "paid" and with a political agenda over someone who was simply doing their job.

This is why you're an idiot and definitely not in the academia. The 2nd autopsy was done by an unreliable source. This is a statement of fact in any argument. You're just unable to accept it b/c you only want what fits your narrative rather than what is the truth.

Look at you people? Immediately you go into the cop's background about complaints filed against him, all of which he was exonerated. Yet, ignore the arrest records of Floyd, the violent past, robbery, beating a pregnant woman, etc...

YOU are biased. And stupid might I say.

You keep saying that, I'l say it for you slowly this time.

It is not the second autopsy.

It is the first.

If you took even a second to look at it, you'd see you are wrong.

The second autopsy, the one that was paid for, is not publicly available. If you knew anything about autopsy reports or took a second to check your facts you'd understand you are speaking out of your ass on all fronts.

I am citing you exactly the doctor you say was doing his job. He clearly states it was a homicide. 20 page autopsy report, you can read it, quote it all you want even.

You're absolutely wrong.

"It is not the second autopsy. It is the first"

Here's the 1st autopsy: "Hennepin County medical examiner’s preliminary findings, said the autopsy had discounted traumatic asphyxia or strangulation as the cause of Mr. Floyd’s death."

Go away now. You're an idiot. Stop wasting everyone's time.

That is a sentence. not an autopsy. I linked the autopsy below.

You don't know how to Google? Do it yourself. It's not exactly hidden.

Exactly, that's why I posted it, you jackass.

Cause of death = "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdural, restraint, and neck compression."

Tell me. What does that mean?

We're looking at the same autopsy, but you're reading a second hand source it seems, I'm giving you the exact quote on the autopsy report. Which is linked below. Check it if you think you're so right. SMH.

2nd reply: God you people and your flat out dishonesty, twists, and lies

"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restrain, and neck compression"

Means he had a cardiopulmonary arrest during the law enforcement subdual. It does not actually mean it was "caused" by the law enforcement subdual. This is WHY the office noted, "that is not a legal determination of culpability or intent."

Either you are really that stupid and you don't know how to read this stuff or you are intentionally trying to lie and deceive other people into your narrative.

You are a sick person.

because I'm trying not to write too much, it doesn't change the argument. You still haven't figured it out? You read it wrong. You don't know how to read a medical report.

"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restrain, and neck compression"

Cause of death: he had a heart attack during the law enforcement subdual, restrain, and neck compression. (There I wrote it all out, doesn't change anything)

This does not imply it was "caused by" law enforcement subdual, restrain, and neck compression. Only that it happened "during" this incident.

Hence why the office has to clarify "that is not a legal determination of culpability or intent."

and further down, "The full autopsy report states further that no life-threatening injuries [were] identified."

How much clearer does this need to be? And the fact if this was enough, why did they pay for a 2nd examiner?

And of course, you just completely skip over the whole health issue, the toxicology report, etc... right? You didn't even read the report. You saw the title and you just assumed what you want it to mean.

This is why you're stupid.

Conveniently leaving out "but the office noted that is not a legal determination of culpability or intent."

and

"The full autopsy report states further that no life-threatening injuries [were] identified."

You jackass? Why do you think a 2nd independent autopsy was paid for? If the 1st one presumed guilt?

Logical reasoning is not your forte, is it? You just read what you want to read.

ffs are you for real.

Read the autopsy itself, or at the very least, cite your source. Because you are not using mine.

I also at no point claimed there was culpability and/or intent, or even legal determination at any point.

You understand homicide does not mean murder? right? Right? You at least understand one thing.

Floyd was killed. Whether he was murdered, a victim of manslaughter, or death by negligence is for a court to decide with this evidence included.

Homicide simply means one person killed another. The actions of Chauvin directly resulted in this man's death. Your claim is absolute BS.

"Why do you keep pointing to the second examiner? We are talking about the first. Other than my very first response to you, I haven't mentioned him... If that one helps you twist the details, good for you. I don't much care about it when discussing this particular autopsy report."

Because you are stupid and don't understand logic?

I keep asking you and you keep avoiding it. "Why" was there a 2nd examiner? Paid for by the family if the 1st examination is as "clear cut" as you made it out to be? If it was evident of culpability?

"The finding was a mutli-factoral death including the officer's actions - this makes it a homicide."

NO it didn't. You don't know how to read a report. OMG how many times do I have to keep mocking your stupidity?

"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restrain, and neck compression"

THIS DOES NOT SAY IT WAS CAUSED BY THE COP. IT ONLY STATES IT HAPPENED DURING THE ARREST.

My goodness your stupidity knows no bounds.

Me trying to reason with someone 1/3 of my IQ. lol why do I put myself through these hilarious moments.

"jesus h christ. He's my source again.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/05/read-george-floyd-autopsy-report-with-cause-of-death-and-other-factors/

Open it for the first time and tell me our source is different."

If it is the same source, then read from it. NOT what Mercury News tells you. Mercury News is full of shit. I know, I live here.

"That performed by the Hennepin County medical examiner cites “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” The private autopsy states the cause of death was “mechanical asphyxia.”"

Is this what is confusing you? You do know this talks about 2 different reports?

1) Hennepin County report - the one we're talking about
2) Private autopsy --> "mechanical asphysxia" (this is the SECOND private autopsy paid for by the family)

You get it now? How news lies to you? Manipulates you?

... F**k me I'm done with you. I never quoted anything stated by mercury news - I never even read it, went straight to the report and I've only worked off it since. Your entire argument is based on the breakdown.

I guess commas are giving you trouble? is that it?

You think Cardiopulmonary arrest complicated neck compression? No, they are separate points. Here, I'll help you, then I'm done. We're either going to go round in circles or one of us has to walk away.

1. cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual
2. restraint.
3. Neck compression.

Mechanical asphyxia is also stated no where in the actual report which is why I did not use it as cause of death at any point.

I did point out you ignored the fact the picture was showing how asphyxia would effect someone though above, so maybe we crossed wires there.

Either way, I'm done. Stay safe in these crazy times.

For a guy who call himself English, you don't know how to read English.

The 1st autopsy only tells you he died of cardiopulmonary arrest during the arrest and take down. It did NOT imply culpability, which the office even clarified.

Like I'm talking to a f**king brick wall.

f**king same... Go back through everything with a drink of water or something and quote me saying anything about culpability - or maybe this is just one more word you simply don't understand.

"Now, jackass. Where does it say heart attack at any point in the autopsy report? I'll wait. Page and paragraph if you could."

You're just dancing around details after already proven wrong.

1) 1st autopsy doesn't imply culpability, this is "why" they paid for a 2nd one to tell them what the wanted to hear

2) Heart attack, stroke, whatever, the actual report is cardiopulmonary arrest and not asphyxiation as the 2nd examiner and prosecutor claims. Nor does it imply it was "caused" by the subdual, take down, knee to the neck, or whatever hell you want to include.

3) You just completely ignore all the other things that didn't suit your argument such as the toxicology report, his natural health issues, infection of Covid. All of this contributed to his death much more than a typical police procedure done on many healthy individuals and did not kill them.

You're an idiot. Go troll someone else.

Why do you keep pointing to the second examiner? We are talking about the first. Other than my very first response to you, I haven't mentioned him... If that one helps you twist the details, good for you. I don't much care about it when discussing this particular autopsy report.

I didn't ignore anything. Simple case. The finding was a mutli-factoral death including the officer's actions - this makes it a homicide. It does not mean Chauvin doesn't deserve a presumption of innocence, it does not mean this proves murder, it means none of that. It certainly does not mean Floyd simply died because of the drugs in his system either though. Your claim is clearly wrong.

The officer was a factor in the man's death, a big enough one that three of his actions are stated in the finding. It was a homicide. His guilt, legally, is not in question, and I am not trying to question it.

Dude YOU ARE WRONG. Already proven it. You can't even READ the damn thing correctly. The autopsy report cause of death is cadioarrest during the subdue, as I have stated. He had a heart attack. It doesn't imply it was "caused" by the subdue which is WHY it noted not culpability or legal intent." And most definitely he did not die of asphyxiation which was the conclusion of the PAID examiner used by the prosecutor.

You are one stupid and stubborn sheep. Get over yourself. You are already proven wrong by your own damn quotes because you don't know how to even read a medical report.

And here's the link to the "actual" report. scroll down and read the whole thing yourself.

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/authorities-just-released-george-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/

As I thought, you're reading a breakdown, not the autopsy. This is why I chose the other source. You can just read the actual report with minimum extra input... Jesus Christ.

It's the same damn report in my link and yours. At no point does the autopsy say heart attack.

"A cardiac arrest is also called a cardiopulmonary arrest or circulatory arrest and indicates a sudden stop in effective and normal blood circulation due to failure of the heart to pump blood. Cardiac arrest is different from myocardial infarction or heart attack but may be caused by a heart attack."

Now, jackass. Where does it say heart attack at any point in the autopsy report? I'll wait. Page and paragraph if you could.

"This is why I chose the other source. You can just read the actual report with minimum extra input"

Are you f**king kidding me?

You asked for source. I gave you the "actual" report, the actual examiner's report, the full shabang. And now you complain it is too complicated? You don't understand it? So you opted out a "minimum" report that has been "edited" by some media?

You do know the link I gave you is not what I want you to read right? In the middle of that link, there is the ACTUAL report. The MEDICAL report completely unbiased and unedited.

But.... you just want to read one edited for you by CNN...

LOL f**king a....

jesus h christ. He's my source again.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/05/read-george-floyd-autopsy-report-with-cause-of-death-and-other-factors/

Open it for the first time and tell me our source is different.

"f**king same... Go back through everything with a drink of water or something and quote me saying anything about culpability - or maybe this is just one more word you simply don't understand."

They're NOT the SAME. OMG! You can't be that stupid!

Ok, say you are obese and fat, given a poor health. You took some meth and rode a roller coaster and you died. Did the roller coaster kill you?

If you died on that roller coaster, your autopsy will say "Myocardial infarction complicating roller coaster ride."

It doesn't mean the roller coaster killed you or it caused you to die. Do you understand? It only stipulate the cause of death was a myocardial infarction and you died in on the roller coaster ride.

Is this hard for you to understand?

"Mechanical asphyxia is also stated no where in the actual report which is why I did not use it as cause of death at any point."

ARE YOU F**KING RETARDED?!?!

I am using THAT as an EXAMPLE of a roller coaster ride. Why don't you just accuse me of "Roller coaster is also stated no where in the actual report?"

ARE YOU REALLY THAT MF STUPID!??

LOLROFLMAO!!!!!